Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here.
First, DD was hospitalized on Memorial Day and out of school that entire week and the beginning of the next. She went back on June 6th. The last day of school was June 15th, but they didn't have every class every day the last week of school because of final exams. There wasn't exactly a ton of time for her to catch up on her school work for all her classes. She really tried and spent as much time as she could doing make up work. And sorry, but making up her work in core classes is more important than the work in a stinking elective. BTW - this class is not just taking pictures, every lengthy project has tons of writing - and my daughter has a reading and writing disability that takes her 3-4 times longer to complete the work. She has an IEP with accommodations for a reduced workload, among other things. She was in frequent contact with her teacher and her teacher knew she was trying to complete the work. She told her being in the hospital "was no excuse" for not completing her work. Look, if she has to take an F, she has to take the F. But I feel like the teacher should have giving DD the opportunity to get an incomplete and have some more time. It's not like this was missed work from early in the quarter that she sat on.
The "cry board". Apparently I didn't explain this good enough. When she yells at students and they get upset, they are told to go cry in the class storage room and then put a hash mark on the "Storage Room Tears" board. Of course I have seen the video. BTW,- there are 39 hash marks on that board. This is not meant to be a "safe space". This is a shaming tool.
I mentioned the cry board/closet tears/storage room tears board because I was struggling to determine whether that was something I should talk about with the school, when my primary concern is my daughter's grade and being able to make up the work. In my mind, these are two separate issues with the teacher. I absolutely am not going to go to social media or the real media with this. To me, that's not constructive and I am not someone who wants a witch hunt when the teacher hasn't had an opportunity to directly address it.
I have asked for a meeting with the principal and am waiting for his response. Thank you to all the PP's who provided advice. It was enlightening and constructive to hear the multiple viewpoints.
A shaming tool indeed! I cannot believe in 2023 this is happening!
[b]It's not a shaming tool. It is a teacher trying to be sensitive to students who are stressed out. Teachers can't win. If there were not a safe space people complain there should be. Teacher creates a safe space and encourages a student to use it there are also complaints. The teacher doesn't have the students write down their names, just make a mark so she or he can tell if the space is needed. By having so many hash marks students who might be reluctant realize 37 times other kids needed a break and a safe space to cry or just get away. [/b]
I think OP has a valid case to discuss her daughter getting incomplete grades instead of fails in classes where she had no time to make up the work. I am so sorry OP this is happening to you. My son was in a clinical trial in 9th grade and had 30 medical visits over the course of a year., some of which lasted 5-6 hours. Sometimes he would get a reaction and then sleep the whole afternoon and evening so it was hard for him to make up work.
One b---ch of a teacher gave him an F on a draft paper- even though he turned it in a day late after he missed a day of school. Why? Because they peer edited the papers in class and his paper wasn't peer edited. He talked to her first and she said yup, no peer edits on your paper and you get an F. I called his counselor who was surprised but must know the teacher is difficult so she told me to email the teacher before addressing it with admin. I emailed the teacher and she said my son had to find a student to edit his paper before he could turn it in and according to her lots of students would jump at the chance to spend 20-30 minute in their spare time to edit his paper so it shouldn't be a problem. My son felt awful making another student do extra work because he was absent so wasn't willing to ask a friend to do it. I ended up asking a friend if her daughter who was in his class would do it and I would pay her. Some teachers are just so mean.
From the OP’s posts, do you think her DD was happy or upset that the teacher told her to put a mark on the closet tears board? I get the feeling the student did not consider this a safe space. I don’t get the feeling the teacher “encouraged” her.
A couple of my kid’s teachers make a safe space available to students who are having a hard time so I know what this looks like. This is not what this teacher is doing.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here.
First, DD was hospitalized on Memorial Day and out of school that entire week and the beginning of the next. She went back on June 6th. The last day of school was June 15th, but they didn't have every class every day the last week of school because of final exams. There wasn't exactly a ton of time for her to catch up on her school work for all her classes. She really tried and spent as much time as she could doing make up work. And sorry, but making up her work in core classes is more important than the work in a stinking elective. BTW - this class is not just taking pictures, every lengthy project has tons of writing - and my daughter has a reading and writing disability that takes her 3-4 times longer to complete the work. She has an IEP with accommodations for a reduced workload, among other things. She was in frequent contact with her teacher and her teacher knew she was trying to complete the work. She told her being in the hospital "was no excuse" for not completing her work. Look, if she has to take an F, she has to take the F. But I feel like the teacher should have giving DD the opportunity to get an incomplete and have some more time. It's not like this was missed work from early in the quarter that she sat on.
The "cry board". Apparently I didn't explain this good enough. When she yells at students and they get upset, they are told to go cry in the class storage room and then put a hash mark on the "Storage Room Tears" board. Of course I have seen the video. BTW,- there are 39 hash marks on that board. This is not meant to be a "safe space". This is a shaming tool.
I mentioned the cry board/closet tears/storage room tears board because I was struggling to determine whether that was something I should talk about with the school, when my primary concern is my daughter's grade and being able to make up the work. In my mind, these are two separate issues with the teacher. I absolutely am not going to go to social media or the real media with this. To me, that's not constructive and I am not someone who wants a witch hunt when the teacher hasn't had an opportunity to directly address it.
I have asked for a meeting with the principal and am waiting for his response. Thank you to all the PP's who provided advice. It was enlightening and constructive to hear the multiple viewpoints.
A shaming tool indeed! I cannot believe in 2023 this is happening!
It's not a shaming tool. It is a teacher trying to be sensitive to students who are stressed out. Teachers can't win. If there were not a safe space people complain there should be. Teacher creates a safe space and encourages a student to use it there are also complaints. The teacher doesn't have the students write down their names, just make a mark so she or he can tell if the space is needed. By having so many hash marks students who might be reluctant realize 37 times other kids needed a break and a safe space to cry or just get away.
I think OP has a valid case to discuss her daughter getting incomplete grades instead of fails in classes where she had no time to make up the work. I am so sorry OP this is happening to you. My son was in a clinical trial in 9th grade and had 30 medical visits over the course of a year., some of which lasted 5-6 hours. Sometimes he would get a reaction and then sleep the whole afternoon and evening so it was hard for him to make up work.
One b---ch of a teacher gave him an F on a draft paper- even though he turned it in a day late after he missed a day of school. Why? Because they peer edited the papers in class and his paper wasn't peer edited. He talked to her first and she said yup, no peer edits on your paper and you get an F. I called his counselor who was surprised but must know the teacher is difficult so she told me to email the teacher before addressing it with admin. I emailed the teacher and she said my son had to find a student to edit his paper before he could turn it in and according to her lots of students would jump at the chance to spend 20-30 minute in their spare time to edit his paper so it shouldn't be a problem. My son felt awful making another student do extra work because he was absent so wasn't willing to ask a friend to do it. I ended up asking a friend if her daughter who was in his class would do it and I would pay her. Some teachers are just so mean.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here.
First, DD was hospitalized on Memorial Day and out of school that entire week and the beginning of the next. She went back on June 6th. The last day of school was June 15th, but they didn't have every class every day the last week of school because of final exams. There wasn't exactly a ton of time for her to catch up on her school work for all her classes. She really tried and spent as much time as she could doing make up work. And sorry, but making up her work in core classes is more important than the work in a stinking elective. BTW - this class is not just taking pictures, every lengthy project has tons of writing - and my daughter has a reading and writing disability that takes her 3-4 times longer to complete the work. She has an IEP with accommodations for a reduced workload, among other things. She was in frequent contact with her teacher and her teacher knew she was trying to complete the work. She told her being in the hospital "was no excuse" for not completing her work. Look, if she has to take an F, she has to take the F. But I feel like the teacher should have giving DD the opportunity to get an incomplete and have some more time. It's not like this was missed work from early in the quarter that she sat on.
The "cry board". Apparently I didn't explain this good enough. When she yells at students and they get upset, they are told to go cry in the class storage room and then put a hash mark on the "Storage Room Tears" board. Of course I have seen the video. BTW,- there are 39 hash marks on that board. This is not meant to be a "safe space". This is a shaming tool.
I mentioned the cry board/closet tears/storage room tears board because I was struggling to determine whether that was something I should talk about with the school, when my primary concern is my daughter's grade and being able to make up the work. In my mind, these are two separate issues with the teacher. I absolutely am not going to go to social media or the real media with this. To me, that's not constructive and I am not someone who wants a witch hunt when the teacher hasn't had an opportunity to directly address it.
I have asked for a meeting with the principal and am waiting for his response. Thank you to all the PP's who provided advice. It was enlightening and constructive to hear the multiple viewpoints.
A shaming tool indeed! I cannot believe in 2023 this is happening!
It's not a shaming tool. It is a teacher trying to be sensitive to students who are stressed out. Teachers can't win. If there were not a safe space people complain there should be. Teacher creates a safe space and encourages a student to use it there are also complaints. The teacher doesn't have the students write down their names, just make a mark so she or he can tell if the space is needed. By having so many hash marks students who might be reluctant realize 37 times other kids needed a break and a safe space to cry or just get away.
I think OP has a valid case to discuss her daughter getting incomplete grades instead of fails in classes where she had no time to make up the work. I am so sorry OP this is happening to you. My son was in a clinical trial in 9th grade and had 30 medical visits over the course of a year., some of which lasted 5-6 hours. Sometimes he would get a reaction and then sleep the whole afternoon and evening so it was hard for him to make up work.
One b---ch of a teacher gave him an F on a draft paper- even though he turned it in a day late after he missed a day of school. Why? Because they peer edited the papers in class and his paper wasn't peer edited. He talked to her first and she said yup, no peer edits on your paper and you get an F. I called his counselor who was surprised but must know the teacher is difficult so she told me to email the teacher before addressing it with admin. I emailed the teacher and she said my son had to find a student to edit his paper before he could turn it in and according to her lots of students would jump at the chance to spend 20-30 minute in their spare time to edit his paper so it shouldn't be a problem. My son felt awful making another student do extra work because he was absent so wasn't willing to ask a friend to do it. I ended up asking a friend if her daughter who was in his class would do it and I would pay her. Some teachers are just so mean.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here.
First, DD was hospitalized on Memorial Day and out of school that entire week and the beginning of the next. She went back on June 6th. The last day of school was June 15th, but they didn't have every class every day the last week of school because of final exams. There wasn't exactly a ton of time for her to catch up on her school work for all her classes. She really tried and spent as much time as she could doing make up work. And sorry, but making up her work in core classes is more important than the work in a stinking elective. BTW - this class is not just taking pictures, every lengthy project has tons of writing - and my daughter has a reading and writing disability that takes her 3-4 times longer to complete the work. She has an IEP with accommodations for a reduced workload, among other things. She was in frequent contact with her teacher and her teacher knew she was trying to complete the work. She told her being in the hospital "was no excuse" for not completing her work. Look, if she has to take an F, she has to take the F. But I feel like the teacher should have giving DD the opportunity to get an incomplete and have some more time. It's not like this was missed work from early in the quarter that she sat on.
The "cry board". Apparently I didn't explain this good enough. When she yells at students and they get upset, they are told to go cry in the class storage room and then put a hash mark on the "Storage Room Tears" board. Of course I have seen the video. BTW,- there are 39 hash marks on that board. This is not meant to be a "safe space". This is a shaming tool.
I mentioned the cry board/closet tears/storage room tears board because I was struggling to determine whether that was something I should talk about with the school, when my primary concern is my daughter's grade and being able to make up the work. In my mind, these are two separate issues with the teacher. I absolutely am not going to go to social media or the real media with this. To me, that's not constructive and I am not someone who wants a witch hunt when the teacher hasn't had an opportunity to directly address it.
I have asked for a meeting with the principal and am waiting for his response. Thank you to all the PP's who provided advice. It was enlightening and constructive to hear the multiple viewpoints.
A shaming tool indeed! I cannot believe in 2023 this is happening!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree these are separate issues - the grade and this Storage Room Tears nonsense.
Given the student’s known disabilities and the ten day hospitalization at the end of the semester, an incomplete with an opportunity to complete the work is an appropriate approach. This is a good thing to discuss with admin.
The Storage Room Tears video should be presented as a separate but no less important issue. This teacher is using shame and humiliation as a teaching tool? This will have longer term affects on the kids in her class than even a failing grade. Admin should be made aware. I don’t know how far you would be able to go with this, but I would consider going over admin if nothing is done, for the sake of kids in this teacher’s class in future. She needs to stop regularly making kids cry and making them mark her board. She is a bad teacher.
Lastly, bring a witness to every meeting. You know they will have more than one person present and you should, too.
+1 My DD (who has a 504) had an extended illness (not hospitalized) towards the end of a quarter in 11th grade. Instead of dealing with the teachers directly, I emailed her counselor who coordinated with all the teachers to plan a timeline for making up work and making sure she got incompletes where needed. A couple teachers said they'd just grade based on what was already in and she didn't need to make up anything. IMO, the appropriate resolution here should be an incomplete for that class or grade based on work completed. Given the separate bullying issue, I'd push for a grade based on work completed so she doesn't have to deal with that teacher again.
Also agree with PP that if the school admin doesn't take action I'd go to the superintendent and/or school board about the issue. It's unacceptable.
Anonymous wrote:OP here.
First, DD was hospitalized on Memorial Day and out of school that entire week and the beginning of the next. She went back on June 6th. The last day of school was June 15th, but they didn't have every class every day the last week of school because of final exams. There wasn't exactly a ton of time for her to catch up on her school work for all her classes. She really tried and spent as much time as she could doing make up work. And sorry, but making up her work in core classes is more important than the work in a stinking elective. BTW - this class is not just taking pictures, every lengthy project has tons of writing - and my daughter has a reading and writing disability that takes her 3-4 times longer to complete the work. She has an IEP with accommodations for a reduced workload, among other things. She was in frequent contact with her teacher and her teacher knew she was trying to complete the work. She told her being in the hospital "was no excuse" for not completing her work. Look, if she has to take an F, she has to take the F. But I feel like the teacher should have giving DD the opportunity to get an incomplete and have some more time. It's not like this was missed work from early in the quarter that she sat on.
The "cry board". Apparently I didn't explain this good enough. When she yells at students and they get upset, they are told to go cry in the class storage room and then put a hash mark on the "Storage Room Tears" board. Of course I have seen the video. BTW,- there are 39 hash marks on that board. This is not meant to be a "safe space". This is a shaming tool.
I mentioned the cry board/closet tears/storage room tears board because I was struggling to determine whether that was something I should talk about with the school, when my primary concern is my daughter's grade and being able to make up the work. In my mind, these are two separate issues with the teacher. I absolutely am not going to go to social media or the real media with this. To me, that's not constructive and I am not someone who wants a witch hunt when the teacher hasn't had an opportunity to directly address it.
I have asked for a meeting with the principal and am waiting for his response. Thank you to all the PP's who provided advice. It was enlightening and constructive to hear the multiple viewpoints.
Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree these are separate issues - the grade and this Storage Room Tears nonsense.
Given the student’s known disabilities and the ten day hospitalization at the end of the semester, an incomplete with an opportunity to complete the work is an appropriate approach. This is a good thing to discuss with admin.
The Storage Room Tears video should be presented as a separate but no less important issue. This teacher is using shame and humiliation as a teaching tool? This will have longer term affects on the kids in her class than even a failing grade. Admin should be made aware. I don’t know how far you would be able to go with this, but I would consider going over admin if nothing is done, for the sake of kids in this teacher’s class in future. She needs to stop regularly making kids cry and making them mark her board. She is a bad teacher.
Lastly, bring a witness to every meeting. You know they will have more than one person present and you should, too.
Anonymous wrote:Don’t coddle DC. There was a whole quarter to talk about accommodations, if it is warranted. Do not wait until the final day of school to complain that DC earned an F.Anonymous wrote:I feel for this kid. She’s dealing with chronic LDs and a now a chronic immuno condition and one of the (trusted ?) adults in her life treated her with so little compassion.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don’t coddle DC. There was a whole quarter to talk about accommodations, if it is warranted. Do not wait until the final day of school to complain that DC earned an F.Anonymous wrote:I feel for this kid. She’s dealing with chronic LDs and a now a chronic immuno condition and one of the (trusted ?) adults in her life treated her with so little compassion.
This is an inappropriate response. DC had a disabling health condition. Mom applied for accommodations and has been put off past the end of the semester. This is illegal. Under ADA, some accommodations -- for extended work, maybe taking an incomplete, etc. should have been offered ASAP.
Accommodating disabilities isn't "coddling". The timing is irrelevant. Students often try to manage their issues and don't ask for help until it is overwhelming. To some extent the law and school admin encourages it -- if you ask too soon, then the disability isn't "significant" and you are denied.
PP, your view is reflective of disability discrimination.
Anonymous wrote:Don’t coddle DC. There was a whole quarter to talk about accommodations, if it is warranted. Do not wait until the final day of school to complain that DC earned an F.Anonymous wrote:I feel for this kid. She’s dealing with chronic LDs and a now a chronic immuno condition and one of the (trusted ?) adults in her life treated her with so little compassion.