Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.
Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.
D-O-G-E
Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.
But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.
Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?
We really only want this for the disruptive kids. It has broad support.
This attitude, by the way, is why disability rights advocates will fight to prevent any watering-down of the LRE provisions in IDEA. The people (anonymously) pushing for that aren't interested in actually providing separate programs that are equal in quality. It also means you'd immediately see 14th amendment challenges if anything snuck through.
What about the rights of the 95% of kids who are well behaved and just want to learn but cannot?
Just like it would be much easier for schools if they didn't have to worry about building ramps and elevators for kids with physical disabilities, or providing interpreters or special programs for kids with visual or auditory impairments.
Yes, disabilities can be challenging and expensive to accomodate. That's exactly why we have laws saying they must be accomodated.
Not the same at all. We are talking about disruptive/violent kids.
You'd need to determine whether the violent or disruptive behavior is a manifestation of a disability. If it is, you can't expel them from school as you're suggesting.
You just proved the point.
The needs of the majority matter less than the needs of the few.
Yes, we have laws that protect the rights of minorities, even when inconvenient or expensive. It isn't unique to education. This shouldn't be surprising to you.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.
Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.
D-O-G-E
Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.
But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.
Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?
We really only want this for the disruptive kids. It has broad support.
This attitude, by the way, is why disability rights advocates will fight to prevent any watering-down of the LRE provisions in IDEA. The people (anonymously) pushing for that aren't interested in actually providing separate programs that are equal in quality. It also means you'd immediately see 14th amendment challenges if anything snuck through.
What about the rights of the 95% of kids who are well behaved and just want to learn but cannot?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.
Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.
D-O-G-E
Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.
But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.
Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?
We really only want this for the disruptive kids. It has broad support.
This attitude, by the way, is why disability rights advocates will fight to prevent any watering-down of the LRE provisions in IDEA. The people (anonymously) pushing for that aren't interested in actually providing separate programs that are equal in quality. It also means you'd immediately see 14th amendment challenges if anything snuck through.
What about the rights of the 95% of kids who are well behaved and just want to learn but cannot?
Just like it would be much easier for schools if they didn't have to worry about building ramps and elevators for kids with physical disabilities, or providing interpreters or special programs for kids with visual or auditory impairments.
Yes, disabilities can be challenging and expensive to accomodate. That's exactly why we have laws saying they must be accomodated.
Not the same at all. We are talking about disruptive/violent kids.
You'd need to determine whether the violent or disruptive behavior is a manifestation of a disability. If it is, you can't expel them from school as you're suggesting.
You just proved the point.
The needs of the majority matter less than the needs of the few.
Yes, we have laws that protect the rights of minorities, even when inconvenient or expensive. It isn't unique to education. This shouldn't be surprising to you.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.
Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.
D-O-G-E
Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.
But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.
Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?
We really only want this for the disruptive kids. It has broad support.
This attitude, by the way, is why disability rights advocates will fight to prevent any watering-down of the LRE provisions in IDEA. The people (anonymously) pushing for that aren't interested in actually providing separate programs that are equal in quality. It also means you'd immediately see 14th amendment challenges if anything snuck through.
What about the rights of the 95% of kids who are well behaved and just want to learn but cannot?
Just like it would be much easier for schools if they didn't have to worry about building ramps and elevators for kids with physical disabilities, or providing interpreters or special programs for kids with visual or auditory impairments.
Yes, disabilities can be challenging and expensive to accomodate. That's exactly why we have laws saying they must be accomodated.
Not the same at all. We are talking about disruptive/violent kids.
You'd need to determine whether the violent or disruptive behavior is a manifestation of a disability. If it is, you can't expel them from school as you're suggesting.
You just proved the point.
The needs of the majority matter less than the needs of the few.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.
Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.
D-O-G-E
Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.
But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.
Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?
We really only want this for the disruptive kids. It has broad support.
This attitude, by the way, is why disability rights advocates will fight to prevent any watering-down of the LRE provisions in IDEA. The people (anonymously) pushing for that aren't interested in actually providing separate programs that are equal in quality. It also means you'd immediately see 14th amendment challenges if anything snuck through.
What about the rights of the 95% of kids who are well behaved and just want to learn but cannot?
Just like it would be much easier for schools if they didn't have to worry about building ramps and elevators for kids with physical disabilities, or providing interpreters or special programs for kids with visual or auditory impairments.
Yes, disabilities can be challenging and expensive to accomodate. That's exactly why we have laws saying they must be accomodated.
Not the same at all. We are talking about disruptive/violent kids.
You'd need to determine whether the violent or disruptive behavior is a manifestation of a disability. If it is, you can't expel them from school as you're suggesting.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.
Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.
D-O-G-E
Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.
But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.
Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?
We really only want this for the disruptive kids. It has broad support.
This attitude, by the way, is why disability rights advocates will fight to prevent any watering-down of the LRE provisions in IDEA. The people (anonymously) pushing for that aren't interested in actually providing separate programs that are equal in quality. It also means you'd immediately see 14th amendment challenges if anything snuck through.
What about the rights of the 95% of kids who are well behaved and just want to learn but cannot?
Just like it would be much easier for schools if they didn't have to worry about building ramps and elevators for kids with physical disabilities, or providing interpreters or special programs for kids with visual or auditory impairments.
Yes, disabilities can be challenging and expensive to accomodate. That's exactly why we have laws saying they must be accomodated.
Not the same at all. We are talking about disruptive/violent kids.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Yeah, no. But keep it up with the attitude. The tides of public opinion are changing, and the laws, and, more importantly, judicial interpretations of the existing laws, will follow suit. Count on it.
DP
There's no evidence that there's broad support to segregate kids with special needs. If it had mainstream support, someone would be willing to openly advocate for it.
People might secretly like all kinds of discriminatory practices, but the inevitable backlash stops almost all of them from going anywhere as a matter of public policy. Democrats aren't going throw kids with special needs to the wolves, and Trumpers don't particularly care about this issue except to the extent they can use it to push for private school vouchers.
Shame on you for using the word segregate. Different kids have different needs.
Then you're going to have to convince people that separate can be equal, despite history to the contrary.
Proposing to prevent kids with special needs from going to school isn't going to help your case for that.
Why should a disruptive/violent kid be in a normal classroom, impeding the education of everyone else?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.
Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.
D-O-G-E
Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.
But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.
Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?
We really only want this for the disruptive kids. It has broad support.
This attitude, by the way, is why disability rights advocates will fight to prevent any watering-down of the LRE provisions in IDEA. The people (anonymously) pushing for that aren't interested in actually providing separate programs that are equal in quality. It also means you'd immediately see 14th amendment challenges if anything snuck through.
What about the rights of the 95% of kids who are well behaved and just want to learn but cannot?
Just like it would be much easier for schools if they didn't have to worry about building ramps and elevators for kids with physical disabilities, or providing interpreters or special programs for kids with visual or auditory impairments.
Yes, disabilities can be challenging and expensive to accomodate. That's exactly why we have laws saying they must be accomodated.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Yeah, no. But keep it up with the attitude. The tides of public opinion are changing, and the laws, and, more importantly, judicial interpretations of the existing laws, will follow suit. Count on it.
DP
There's no evidence that there's broad support to segregate kids with special needs. If it had mainstream support, someone would be willing to openly advocate for it.
People might secretly like all kinds of discriminatory practices, but the inevitable backlash stops almost all of them from going anywhere as a matter of public policy. Democrats aren't going throw kids with special needs to the wolves, and Trumpers don't particularly care about this issue except to the extent they can use it to push for private school vouchers.
Shame on you for using the word segregate. Different kids have different needs.
Then you're going to have to convince people that separate can be equal, despite history to the contrary.
Proposing to prevent kids with special needs from going to school isn't going to help your case for that.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.
Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.
D-O-G-E
Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.
But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.
Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?
We really only want this for the disruptive kids. It has broad support.
This attitude, by the way, is why disability rights advocates will fight to prevent any watering-down of the LRE provisions in IDEA. The people (anonymously) pushing for that aren't interested in actually providing separate programs that are equal in quality. It also means you'd immediately see 14th amendment challenges if anything snuck through.
What about the rights of the 95% of kids who are well behaved and just want to learn but cannot?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Yeah, no. But keep it up with the attitude. The tides of public opinion are changing, and the laws, and, more importantly, judicial interpretations of the existing laws, will follow suit. Count on it.
DP
There's no evidence that there's broad support to segregate kids with special needs. If it had mainstream support, someone would be willing to openly advocate for it.
People might secretly like all kinds of discriminatory practices, but the inevitable backlash stops almost all of them from going anywhere as a matter of public policy. Democrats aren't going throw kids with special needs to the wolves, and Trumpers don't particularly care about this issue except to the extent they can use it to push for private school vouchers.
Shame on you for using the word segregate. Different kids have different needs.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Yeah, no. But keep it up with the attitude. The tides of public opinion are changing, and the laws, and, more importantly, judicial interpretations of the existing laws, will follow suit. Count on it.
DP
There's no evidence that there's broad support to segregate kids with special needs. If it had mainstream support, someone would be willing to openly advocate for it.
People might secretly like all kinds of discriminatory practices, but the inevitable backlash stops almost all of them from going anywhere as a matter of public policy. Democrats aren't going throw kids with special needs to the wolves, and Trumpers don't particularly care about this issue except to the extent they can use it to push for private school vouchers.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.
Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.
D-O-G-E
Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.
But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.
Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?
We really only want this for the disruptive kids. It has broad support.
This attitude, by the way, is why disability rights advocates will fight to prevent any watering-down of the LRE provisions in IDEA. The people (anonymously) pushing for that aren't interested in actually providing separate programs that are equal in quality. It also means you'd immediately see 14th amendment challenges if anything snuck through.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.
Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.
D-O-G-E
Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.
But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.
Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?
We really only want this for the disruptive kids. It has broad support.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.
As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.
Why are the parents not responsible here?
We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.
Yeah, no. But keep it up with the attitude. The tides of public opinion are changing, and the laws, and, more importantly, judicial interpretations of the existing laws, will follow suit. Count on it.
DP