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Anonymous wrote:If Trump is the Republican nominee, as seems likely, I'm pretty sure a toaster oven would defeat him. But realistically, a toaster option is not an option. And no mainstream Democrat is going to challenge Biden at this point. The Kennedy 15 percent thing is a blip of background noise. Low information voters momentarily distracted by the Kennedy name. But this Kennedy is an extremist lunatic. This is the one that should have been lobotomized. Really don't think a campaign based upon opposition to the Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccine is going to win over the hearts and minds of Americans.

That being said, a Biden-Harris ticket is not without risks. No one in their 80s is in their mental and physical prime. This is not the Joe Biden of the Obama years. The decline has been visible for everyone - the way he shuffles, the way he speaks, the frequent bouts of momentary confusion. And that's only going to get worse. He's 80. The risks of a bad fall or a stroke are incredibly high. It's the nature of life. He's already exceeded the average lifespan of an American man by three years. And if something does happen over the next two years - God forbid - chaos ensues.

The fact is Kamala Harris is not popular. Defenders will always exclaim racism and misogyny. Whatever. She's had two years as vice president. Every time she speaks it's a word salad. There's no there there. She is not a disciplined thinker. And she's clearly not comfortable addressing policy. Any policy. She's like the anti-Hilary Clinton. Additionally, her staff turnover is absurd. She's obviously a terrible manager. She attracts no loyalty. And being from California is not a plus presently. The ads about being the district attorney for San Francisco write themselves.

So, danger alert for democrats and all civilized human beings. The risks for chaos are uncomfortably high. Trump may lose to a toaster oven but he will defeat Kamala Harris.

Exactly. I wish more Dems would acknowledge these challenges rather than Biden or it’s the end of the world with Trump. Trump may be the anti-Christ but doesn’t mean we can ignore Biden-Harris candidacy issues.

Walk me through the end game of focusing on the flaws of a Biden-Harris candidacy. What utility is there to such a focus? What changes for the better if we focus on these flaws?

Are you thinking maybe, after the discussion, the Democrats go with someone better? Because I don't think that's a viable option.
Maybe if we talk about the flaws, Biden and Harris do something that reduces the flaws? Maybe some types of issues they have, I guess. But if we're talking about Biden's age or Harris's lack of charisma, those things aren't going away.

If there's some strategic value to this kind of discussion that makes the world better in some way, I'm happy to listen. But from where I'm sitting, it looks like a classic Democratic circular firing squad that makes Democrats weaker, helps Republicans, probably makes the world worse, and almost certainly does not make it any better.

Aye, aye, Captain!

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Anonymous wrote:Who else would run for the Ds at this point?

Whitmer, Newsom, Buttigieg

Yes. Or…..

Jon Ossoff
Raphael Warnock
Lauren Underwood
Joe Nguse

There are others.

Dems have a deep bench. People who ask dumb questions like the first PPs don’t even bother to look at options. Lazy AF.

Ossoff and Warnock have been senators for five minutes. They are part of a deep bench? Nah.

Anonymous wrote:I am resigned to supporting Biden in 2024 but hopeful for a new generation to compete in 2028, including Wes Moore, Jon Ossoff, and Josh Shapiro.

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump is the Republican nominee, as seems likely, I'm pretty sure a toaster oven would defeat him. But realistically, a toaster option is not an option. And no mainstream Democrat is going to challenge Biden at this point. The Kennedy 15 percent thing is a blip of background noise. Low information voters momentarily distracted by the Kennedy name. But this Kennedy is an extremist lunatic. This is the one that should have been lobotomized. Really don't think a campaign based upon opposition to the Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccine is going to win over the hearts and minds of Americans.

That being said, a Biden-Harris ticket is not without risks. No one in their 80s is in their mental and physical prime. This is not the Joe Biden of the Obama years. The decline has been visible for everyone - the way he shuffles, the way he speaks, the frequent bouts of momentary confusion. And that's only going to get worse. He's 80. The risks of a bad fall or a stroke are incredibly high. It's the nature of life. He's already exceeded the average lifespan of an American man by three years. And if something does happen over the next two years - God forbid - chaos ensues.

The fact is Kamala Harris is not popular. Defenders will always exclaim racism and misogyny. Whatever. She's had two years as vice president. Every time she speaks it's a word salad. There's no there there. She is not a disciplined thinker. And she's clearly not comfortable addressing policy. Any policy. She's like the anti-Hilary Clinton. Additionally, her staff turnover is absurd. She's obviously a terrible manager. She attracts no loyalty. And being from California is not a plus presently. The ads about being the district attorney for San Francisco write themselves.

So, danger alert for democrats and all civilized human beings. The risks for chaos are uncomfortably high. Trump may lose to a toaster oven but he will defeat Kamala Harris.

Exactly. I wish more Dems would acknowledge these challenges rather than Biden or it’s the end of the world with Trump. Trump may be the anti-Christ but doesn’t mean we can ignore Biden-Harris candidacy issues.

Walk me through the end game of focusing on the flaws of a Biden-Harris candidacy. What utility is there to such a focus? What changes for the better if we focus on these flaws?

Are you thinking maybe, after the discussion, the Democrats go with someone better? Because I don't think that's a viable option.
Maybe if we talk about the flaws, Biden and Harris do something that reduces the flaws? Maybe some types of issues they have, I guess. But if we're talking about Biden's age or Harris's lack of charisma, those things aren't going away.

If there's some strategic value to this kind of discussion that makes the world better in some way, I'm happy to listen. But from where I'm sitting, it looks like a classic Democratic circular firing squad that makes Democrats weaker, helps Republicans, probably makes the world worse, and almost certainly does not make it any better.

Aye, aye, Captain!

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Anonymous wrote:It's truly disheartening, but not surprising since he's an egomaniac. He told Hilary he would have beat Trump in 2016, uh no. How rude to say that to someone who had millions more popular vote.

GenZ seems to be fixated on Trump. My never-in-a-million-years-will-i-be-political kid, is all up in Trump's legal woes. Also, on NYT there is a convo with GenZ liberal women on mental health and politics, and they were all following Trump's legal morass. Much more so than me or any of my friends.
They're astonished and afraid he'll run (and win) from prison.

I haven't read about him saying that to Hillary, and it doesn't sound like the Uncle Joe we know. But he probably would have beaten Trump in 2016.

It's not just Gen Z fixated on Trump. It's a lot of us who are shocked and appalled about how the party that previously only demanded we all believe in flat earths and creationism and taking away women's rights and healthcare for as many people as possibly, could have become even more stupid and cruel. We've seen how bad it can get. Stop the bleeding, then you can work on everything else.

The uncle Joe bit was a facade and a thin one at that. He isn’t particularly nice to the press and has a history of being kind of an elitist jerk. He went to an elite high school. He has definitely enriched himself and his entire family by currying favor with unsavory people like the Chinese. And so yes, I 100% believe he was a total jerk to Hillary. He is a jerk with an Aw shucks facade that is a total load of bs.

Well, it's him or Trump. And anyone who thinks there's an equivalence has definitely taken the brown acid.

Equivalence? No but those unwilling to acknowledge Biden’s flaws or those of the party will continue to wonder why people give him grief or not fully support him when he’s in office.

Here, let me solve your conundrum.

Trump - fascist career criminal who would happily destroy this country to make a buck
Biden - not Trump.

Vote accordingly.

Exhibit A of why we have lost membership and loyalty.

Can you explain this please? Because I have no idea WTH you’re talking about with “losing membership and loyalty”.

Who is this “we” you’re talking about?

Just because people may support Joe in the election doesn’t mean he will have won over the hearts and minds of independents who are the largest voting block. I meet so many jaded, disenfranchised, formerly rah-rah Dems, who hate trump. Some were Bernie Bros and others are just fed up and are looking for centrist candidates beyond &0 year olds.

Sorry but Independents are not the largest voting block. Moderate Dems maybe, but they won't vote for Trump over Biden. You I's think you are bigger than you are. YOu know WHO will be the biggest voting block in 2024 - Women who want to have a say on what we can do with our bodies and Gen Z. And they sure's heck ain't voting for a GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is suppressing speech? You can say whatever you want (well, except maybe in Florida), just be prepared for people to disagree, sometimes strongly.

Last time I checked, it was the republicans who are banning books and using their government position to attack businesses who cater to customers the republicans don't like.

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Anonymous wrote:It's truly disheartening, but not surprising since he's an egomaniac. He told Hilary he would have beat Trump in 2016, uh no. How rude to say that to someone who had millions more popular vote.

GenZ seems to be fixated on Trump. My never-in-a-million-years-will-i-be-political kid, is all up in Trump's legal woes. Also, on NYT there is a convo with GenZ liberal women on mental health and politics, and they were all following Trump's legal morass. Much more so than me or any of my friends.
They're astonished and afraid he'll run (and win) from prison.

I haven't read about him saying that to Hillary, and it doesn't sound like the Uncle Joe we know. But he probably would have beaten Trump in 2016.

It's not just Gen Z fixated on Trump. It's a lot of us who are shocked and appalled about how the party that previously only demanded we all believe in flat earths and creationism and taking away women's rights and healthcare for as many people as possibly, could have become even more stupid and cruel. We've seen how bad it can get. Stop the bleeding, then you can work on everything else.

The uncle Joe bit was a facade and a thin one at that. He isn’t particularly nice to the press and has a history of being kind of an elitist jerk. He went to an elite high school. He has definitely enriched himself and his entire family by currying favor with unsavory people like the Chinese. And so yes, I 100% believe he was a total jerk to Hillary. He is a jerk with an Aw shucks facade that is a total load of bs.

Well, it's him or Trump. And anyone who thinks there's an equivalence has definitely taken the brown acid.

Equivalence? No but those unwilling to acknowledge Biden’s flaws or those of the party will continue to wonder why people give him grief or not fully support him when he’s in office.

Here, let me solve your conundrum.

Trump - fascist career criminal who would happily destroy this country to make a buck
Biden - not Trump.

Vote accordingly.

Exhibit A of why we have lost membership and loyalty.

Can you explain this please? Because I have no idea WTH you’re talking about with “losing membership and loyalty”.

Who is this “we” you’re talking about?

Just because people may support Joe in the election doesn’t mean he will have won over the hearts and minds of independents who are the largest voting block. I meet so many jaded, disenfranchised, formerly rah-rah Dems, who hate trump. Some were Bernie Bros and others are just fed up and are looking for centrist candidates beyond &0 year olds.

Actual independents who are paying attention will not vote for the republicans.

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Ossoff is proof that being a senator is a great job for someone who has never worked anywhere else before

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump is the Republican nominee, as seems likely, I'm pretty sure a toaster oven would defeat him. But realistically, a toaster option is not an option. And no mainstream Democrat is going to challenge Biden at this point. The Kennedy 15 percent thing is a blip of background noise. Low information voters momentarily distracted by the Kennedy name. But this Kennedy is an extremist lunatic. This is the one that should have been lobotomized. Really don't think a campaign based upon opposition to the Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccine is going to win over the hearts and minds of Americans.

That being said, a Biden-Harris ticket is not without risks. No one in their 80s is in their mental and physical prime. This is not the Joe Biden of the Obama years. The decline has been visible for everyone - the way he shuffles, the way he speaks, the frequent bouts of momentary confusion. And that's only going to get worse. He's 80. The risks of a bad fall or a stroke are incredibly high. It's the nature of life. He's already exceeded the average lifespan of an American man by three years. And if something does happen over the next two years - God forbid - chaos ensues.

The fact is Kamala Harris is not popular. Defenders will always exclaim racism and misogyny. Whatever. She's had two years as vice president. Every time she speaks it's a word salad. There's no there there. She is not a disciplined thinker. And she's clearly not comfortable addressing policy. Any policy. She's like the anti-Hilary Clinton. Additionally, her staff turnover is absurd. She's obviously a terrible manager. She attracts no loyalty. And being from California is not a plus presently. The ads about being the district attorney for San Francisco write themselves.

So, danger alert for democrats and all civilized human beings. The risks for chaos are uncomfortably high. Trump may lose to a toaster oven but he will defeat Kamala Harris.

Exactly. I wish more Dems would acknowledge these challenges rather than Biden or it’s the end of the world with Trump. Trump may be the anti-Christ but doesn’t mean we can ignore Biden-Harris candidacy issues.

Walk me through the end game of focusing on the flaws of a Biden-Harris candidacy. What utility is there to such a focus? What changes for the better if we focus on these flaws?

Are you thinking maybe, after the discussion, the Democrats go with someone better? Because I don't think that's a viable option.
Maybe if we talk about the flaws, Biden and Harris do something that reduces the flaws? Maybe some types of issues they have, I guess. But if we're talking about Biden's age or Harris's lack of charisma, those things aren't going away.

If there's some strategic value to this kind of discussion that makes the world better in some way, I'm happy to listen. But from where I'm sitting, it looks like a classic Democratic circular firing squad that makes Democrats weaker, helps Republicans, probably makes the world worse, and almost certainly does not make it any better.

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Anonymous wrote:It's truly disheartening, but not surprising since he's an egomaniac. He told Hilary he would have beat Trump in 2016, uh no. How rude to say that to someone who had millions more popular vote.

GenZ seems to be fixated on Trump. My never-in-a-million-years-will-i-be-political kid, is all up in Trump's legal woes. Also, on NYT there is a convo with GenZ liberal women on mental health and politics, and they were all following Trump's legal morass. Much more so than me or any of my friends.
They're astonished and afraid he'll run (and win) from prison.

I haven't read about him saying that to Hillary, and it doesn't sound like the Uncle Joe we know. But he probably would have beaten Trump in 2016.

It's not just Gen Z fixated on Trump. It's a lot of us who are shocked and appalled about how the party that previously only demanded we all believe in flat earths and creationism and taking away women's rights and healthcare for as many people as possibly, could have become even more stupid and cruel. We've seen how bad it can get. Stop the bleeding, then you can work on everything else.

The uncle Joe bit was a facade and a thin one at that. He isn’t particularly nice to the press and has a history of being kind of an elitist jerk. He went to an elite high school. He has definitely enriched himself and his entire family by currying favor with unsavory people like the Chinese. And so yes, I 100% believe he was a total jerk to Hillary. He is a jerk with an Aw shucks facade that is a total load of bs.

Well, it's him or Trump. And anyone who thinks there's an equivalence has definitely taken the brown acid.

Equivalence? No but those unwilling to acknowledge Biden’s flaws or those of the party will continue to wonder why people give him grief or not fully support him when he’s in office.

You think people wouldn't give him grief or not fully support Biden if Democrats talked more about Biden's flaws? I'm not sure what you expect this dynamic to be. People will always complain endlessly about whoever is in power.

So a you think it’s better to suppress speech lest anyone be turned off? And we can never talk about it because there is always another boogeyman we have to worry about. It is BS.

Suppress speech? So dramatic! There are about a billion things you can talk about. If you choose to focus on Biden's shortcomings despite the flood of other things that are worse in the world which could also command your attention, I think that's counterproductive.

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Anonymous wrote:It's truly disheartening, but not surprising since he's an egomaniac. He told Hilary he would have beat Trump in 2016, uh no. How rude to say that to someone who had millions more popular vote.

GenZ seems to be fixated on Trump. My never-in-a-million-years-will-i-be-political kid, is all up in Trump's legal woes. Also, on NYT there is a convo with GenZ liberal women on mental health and politics, and they were all following Trump's legal morass. Much more so than me or any of my friends.
They're astonished and afraid he'll run (and win) from prison.

I haven't read about him saying that to Hillary, and it doesn't sound like the Uncle Joe we know. But he probably would have beaten Trump in 2016.

It's not just Gen Z fixated on Trump. It's a lot of us who are shocked and appalled about how the party that previously only demanded we all believe in flat earths and creationism and taking away women's rights and healthcare for as many people as possibly, could have become even more stupid and cruel. We've seen how bad it can get. Stop the bleeding, then you can work on everything else.

The uncle Joe bit was a facade and a thin one at that. He isn’t particularly nice to the press and has a history of being kind of an elitist jerk. He went to an elite high school. He has definitely enriched himself and his entire family by currying favor with unsavory people like the Chinese. And so yes, I 100% believe he was a total jerk to Hillary. He is a jerk with an Aw shucks facade that is a total load of bs.

Well, it's him or Trump. And anyone who thinks there's an equivalence has definitely taken the brown acid.

Equivalence? No but those unwilling to acknowledge Biden’s flaws or those of the party will continue to wonder why people give him grief or not fully support him when he’s in office.

Here, let me solve your conundrum.

Trump - fascist career criminal who would happily destroy this country to make a buck
Biden - Leftist compulsive liar and midwit who sold his influence to China to put his family in Delaware beach homes.

Vote accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:It's truly disheartening, but not surprising since he's an egomaniac. He told Hilary he would have beat Trump in 2016, uh no. How rude to say that to someone who had millions more popular vote.

GenZ seems to be fixated on Trump. My never-in-a-million-years-will-i-be-political kid, is all up in Trump's legal woes. Also, on NYT there is a convo with GenZ liberal women on mental health and politics, and they were all following Trump's legal morass. Much more so than me or any of my friends.
They're astonished and afraid he'll run (and win) from prison.

I haven't read about him saying that to Hillary, and it doesn't sound like the Uncle Joe we know. But he probably would have beaten Trump in 2016.

It's not just Gen Z fixated on Trump. It's a lot of us who are shocked and appalled about how the party that previously only demanded we all believe in flat earths and creationism and taking away women's rights and healthcare for as many people as possibly, could have become even more stupid and cruel. We've seen how bad it can get. Stop the bleeding, then you can work on everything else.

The uncle Joe bit was a facade and a thin one at that. He isn’t particularly nice to the press and has a history of being kind of an elitist jerk. He went to an elite high school. He has definitely enriched himself and his entire family by currying favor with unsavory people like the Chinese. And so yes, I 100% believe he was a total jerk to Hillary. He is a jerk with an Aw shucks facade that is a total load of bs.

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Anonymous wrote:Who else would run for the Ds at this point?

Whitmer, Newsom, Buttigieg

Yes. Or…..

Jon Ossoff
Raphael Warnock
Lauren Underwood
Joe Nguse

There are others.

Dems have a deep bench. People who ask dumb questions like the first PPs don’t even bother to look at options. Lazy AF.