Anonymous
Post 04/12/2023 07:20     Subject: AAP Results 2023
Anonymous wrote:Why isn't a 145 WISC from FCPS's preferred facility, GMU, an auto-admit?


That is an excellent question. It definitely should be. Especially since AAP serves as the FCPS gifted program required by law. And a 145 on a WISC is definitely gifted.
Anonymous
Post 04/12/2023 07:09     Subject: AAP Results 2023
Why isn't a 145 WISC from FCPS's preferred facility, GMU, an auto-admit?
Anonymous
Post 04/12/2023 07:08     Subject: AAP Results 2023
Anonymous wrote:Current grade: 3
NNAT/CoGAT: 134/136
GBRS (if known): N/A
School or center: 0akton Pyramid
GMU WISC: 145
In/not in: not in


Anonymous
Post 04/12/2023 07:07     Subject: Re:AAP Results 2023
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
NNAT 130
COGAT 125
GBRS 4 CO
Fairfax HS Pyramid (Title 1 ES)
2nd Grade
Result - NOT in

We're trying to determine if we should appeal - we had the WISC done last weekend, so I think we'll let that guide us. My daughter is a perfectionist and that seems to be resulting in significant testing anxiety where she overthinks things. I've been wondering if that impacted her NNAT and COGAT scores. She really enjoyed the WISC, probably because she could talk through her reasoning. She's incredibly bright, fast learner, creative, crazy vocabulary, always inventing machines and games with complex rules, etc. She gets pulled out for Level II, and her AART and classroom teacher did a really thorough job on the GBRS, with lots of highly detailed examples for each component (rated Consistently Observed on each). I was hoping their assessment would carry more weight to account for the fact that some kids don't test well, but I suppose not.

Thoughts? Are her scores just too low?


Did she score really high in one area of the cogat or above a 140? If not, I don't think that 125 looks good.


Disagree. If she is zoned to a less popular AAP center, she has a good chance. Submit the appeal with a lot of examples of the things she has invented. My child got into an under-attended AAP center a few years ago with a 100 NNAT and a low-120s Cogat.
Anonymous
Post 04/12/2023 07:02     Subject: AAP Results 2023
Current grade: 3
NNAT/CoGAT: 134/136
GBRS (if known): N/A
School or center: 0akton Pyramid
GMU WISC: 145
In/not in: not in
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2023 18:52     Subject: AAP Results 2023
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t the Gateway center have my child’s application? We never received an email about my child’s eligibility/ non eligibility so decided to call the center. They told us that my child’s application is missing from their database.


If you parent referred, ask your AART for a copy of the complete submission. Did you physically hand it off to the school?


Who would hand deliver? Always e-mail and ask for confirmation that they've received it. A school not even submitting the packet seems like the easiest appeal ever


At our school, every parent I knew submitted delivered an envelope to the school office.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2023 18:18     Subject: Re:AAP Results 2023
Anonymous wrote:What is a good GBRS score? Below are my DC creds.

2nd grade
NNAT - 133 (98th percentile)
COGAT- Composit 132(98th percentile), Non verbal 123, Quant 138, Verbal 119
GBRS - 4 FO
For Areas of strength - Math AND Reading marked Y, currently level 2 AAP
The teacher left very positive comments throughout the GBRS, with no behavioral issues
Iready - 86+ percentile for reading and Math
School - Westgate
Results - Not in.

Any feedback is appreciated. Are these mediocre stats? not good enough for AAP level 4?

DC is bummed


I've never commented on this forum before but am doing so now because your child's scores are very similar to my child (NNAT 132, COGAT 134, GBRS 4FOs) a few years ago when we were trying to decide whether to appeal. We were very on the fence about it, didn't think the chances were very good based on the info in this forum, and did not get a positive impression from the AART on our appeal prospects. We decided to try the appeal anyways (with a detailed parent referral letter and work samples, and no WISC), and my child got in on appeal. When we got in on appeal, I was worried my child may not be able to keep up since she "barely" got in, but has been doing really well in the program for three years. I highly recommend you appeal because you never know unless you try.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2023 16:28     Subject: Re:AAP Results 2023
Anonymous wrote:
NNAT 130
COGAT 125
GBRS 4 CO
Fairfax HS Pyramid (Title 1 ES)
2nd Grade
Result - NOT in

We're trying to determine if we should appeal - we had the WISC done last weekend, so I think we'll let that guide us. My daughter is a perfectionist and that seems to be resulting in significant testing anxiety where she overthinks things. I've been wondering if that impacted her NNAT and COGAT scores. She really enjoyed the WISC, probably because she could talk through her reasoning. She's incredibly bright, fast learner, creative, crazy vocabulary, always inventing machines and games with complex rules, etc. She gets pulled out for Level II, and her AART and classroom teacher did a really thorough job on the GBRS, with lots of highly detailed examples for each component (rated Consistently Observed on each). I was hoping their assessment would carry more weight to account for the fact that some kids don't test well, but I suppose not.

Thoughts? Are her scores just too low?


Did she score really high in one area of the cogat or above a 140? If not, I don't think that 125 looks good.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2023 15:52     Subject: AAP Results 2023
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t the Gateway center have my child’s application? We never received an email about my child’s eligibility/ non eligibility so decided to call the center. They told us that my child’s application is missing from their database.


If you parent referred, ask your AART for a copy of the complete submission. Did you physically hand it off to the school?


Who would hand deliver? Always e-mail and ask for confirmation that they've received it. A school not even submitting the packet seems like the easiest appeal ever
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2023 14:03     Subject: AAP Results 2023
Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t the Gateway center have my child’s application? We never received an email about my child’s eligibility/ non eligibility so decided to call the center. They told us that my child’s application is missing from their database.


If you parent referred, ask your AART for a copy of the complete submission. Did you physically hand it off to the school?
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2023 13:47     Subject: Re:AAP Results 2023

NNAT 130
COGAT 125
GBRS 4 CO
Fairfax HS Pyramid (Title 1 ES)
2nd Grade
Result - NOT in

We're trying to determine if we should appeal - we had the WISC done last weekend, so I think we'll let that guide us. My daughter is a perfectionist and that seems to be resulting in significant testing anxiety where she overthinks things. I've been wondering if that impacted her NNAT and COGAT scores. She really enjoyed the WISC, probably because she could talk through her reasoning. She's incredibly bright, fast learner, creative, crazy vocabulary, always inventing machines and games with complex rules, etc. She gets pulled out for Level II, and her AART and classroom teacher did a really thorough job on the GBRS, with lots of highly detailed examples for each component (rated Consistently Observed on each). I was hoping their assessment would carry more weight to account for the fact that some kids don't test well, but I suppose not.

Thoughts? Are her scores just too low?
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2023 12:24     Subject: AAP Results 2023
Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t the Gateway center have my child’s application? We never received an email about my child’s eligibility/ non eligibility so decided to call the center. They told us that my child’s application is missing from their database.


How did you submit it? Typically it goes through your Elementary School's AART, who will confirm submission if parent referred. If you were "in pool" based on highest 10% scores for your school, you would have gotten a notification and the school would submit regardless of whether you submitted a parent referral or not. If neither of those occurred and you're a current FCPS student, you've missed the deadline and will have to wait to next year.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2023 12:11     Subject: AAP Results 2023
Why isn’t the Gateway center have my child’s application? We never received an email about my child’s eligibility/ non eligibility so decided to call the center. They told us that my child’s application is missing from their database.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2023 10:03     Subject: AAP Results 2023
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:NNAT 119 Cogat 132
Mclean pyramid / Center school / High SIS
GBRS unknown
In

So my child can be an example that the committe is not
focusing only on the nnat / cogat scores anymore?


It is actually an example of the NEW "fools in schools" program promoted by Fairfax county haycock level 4 aap is NOW gen-ed quality


My "fool's" scores were even lower and she is completely thriving in AAP and easily keeping up with all the "geniuses" in her class. If you don't like AAP and think it's like gen-ed there are plenty of private school stress factories that will take your money.


True,nNo wonder your kid is thriving, with the whole AAP program diluted with the admission of low scoring average kids. With a gen-ed level AAP class, the kid sure is a rock star. To prevent such nonsense, Mensa and Davidson's gifted programs don't even admit such low scoring kids to their gifted programs.


I'm not buying it. My kid's in AAP. Didn't score high at all for whatever reason. I know there are probably some kids in her class that did score very high on the tests - it's a large center. The class is super competitive with each other, and she is constantly coming home saying she had the best or second-best score on tests. They are all taking the same test - I asked. How does it work out that my stupid kid is beating out your genius? Sure, maybe the curriculum is watered down (whatever), but they are all taking the same test. Is your genius missing answers on purpose to make my child feel better about herself? I doubt it. Perhaps-ish those IQ tests don't mean much in the grand scheme of things.


Just curious how your DC knows she had the best or second-best scores on tests.


I'm not entirely sure how she knows. When I ask her about a test she'll say "26 out of 26 and I was the only one" or "25 out of 26 and there were two others that got 25 out of 26." It's all computerized, so maybe the teacher shows a graph of the score distribution? It's also possible they share their scores - it's a competitive bunch of kids.


I would hope teachers don’t share score distribution, but I hear my kids and their friends discuss this stuff all the time.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2023 08:54     Subject: AAP Results 2023
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kid scored a 112 on the WISC. Obviously we didn't submit it. He had done fine in AAP, in the lowest math group but the highest reading group. The curriculum just isn't that difficult.

Am I the only AAP parent who has no idea what “group” my kid is in within a classroom? Like how do you figure out this crap?


No, you’re not alone. Heck, I don’t even know if they’re grouped.

All of these AAP threads mostly leave me feeling like I must be a totally checked out parent.


All of the schools do things slightly differently. Even within the same school, in one grade the classes have "groups" and other grades they don't. I can only tell now because my DC is in 6th grade and they're more aware of this stuff.