Anonymous
04/04/2023 10:02
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I never had or would have an abortionAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban
An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.
Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.
The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.
Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?
How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.
I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.
Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?
You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?
Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.
I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?
An ectopic is not an abortion, in that the pregnancy is in the wrong place. Life of the mother comes first. Comparing this to an abortion due to not wanting to be pregnant is simply a way for those that believe abortion should be on demand for whatever reason to create a red herring. I have not seen an abortion law that’s passed that would deny you treatment for an ectopic pregnancy. I’ve seen idiots try though.
IEctopic PP here: my records indicate I had a medicated abortion. Period. Just because you don't want to call it an abortion doesn't mean that it wasn't one. An abortion is a termination of a pregnancy. Wanted, unwanted, doesn't matter. Same definition.
And if you think women aren't being denied treatment (say, with methotrexate like I had instead of needing to wait until til threat of tubal rupture requiring surgery), you are most certainly ill-informed.
Was it covered by insurance?
Let’s call it an abortion. One was to save the life of the mother. The other was unwanted and did not save the life of the mother.
My niece had a misdiagnosed ectopic and nearly died. That wasn’t because of republicans. It was because the urgent care place was incompetent.
NP. Do you think there will be more access to competent care when the best medical students won't apply to residencies there and the well-trained attendings are leaving, with only people who can't get other jobs staying?
Anonymous
04/04/2023 10:02
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but Mississippi has a number of hospital systems that are closing delivery departments. It does not look good the way things are going.
Yes, Singing River Gulfport closed theirs 4/1. They say they hope it will be temporary but we shall see. There are 4 or 5 others who have ceased operations in the state.
Ochsner stopped delivering in July 2022 after the only obstetrician they had on staff left, and Greenwood Leflore closed its L&D in October 2022. DRMC, which is located in a very, very impoverished area, closed its NICU, too. Any babies needing critical treatment have to be taken about 2 hours away to the University of Mississippi hospital center.
It's insane because Mississippi has the highest fetal mortality rate AND highest infant mortality rate in the entire nation!
So so sad.
Why do Republicans hate women so much? I don't get it.
Their misogyny is rooted in their superstitions. Literally, they literally believe a Bronze Age document that women are the cause of humanity’s downfall. Plus they enjoy being served by women, as so many conservative religious women happily do. They can get more women to serve them if they make enough of them powerless and miserable. Hence: hating women and punishing them.
Respectfully disagree. The people in power aren’t religious and their misogyny isn’t biblical.
Republicans hate women because women don’t vote for Republicans the way men do. Even taking out abortion, on issues like school funding and public safety nets, women voted more for Democrats than men did.
So, if you want to make it harder for women to vote, it’s better that they be poor, have children (and therefore childcare) which make it hard to reach polling places, be consumed with mundane issues men spend zero time on (will I be able to access basic healthcare in an emergency) and yeah, in a pinch, a dead woman is more likely to be a Democratic voter than a Republican one so if some extra women die that’s all better for their numbers.
Saying this is about their religion gives them a pass I don’t think they deserve. They want women dead, or poor, or struggling, because women are a threat to their power. Period.
It is their religion, in their own words. It’s not a pass; in fact it makes it even worse that we’re being held hostage to the superstitions of a few people who spent decades amassing power, rearranging things to suit themselves and propagandizing. But it is absolutely is based in these people’s beliefs.
Anonymous
04/04/2023 09:14
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but Mississippi has a number of hospital systems that are closing delivery departments. It does not look good the way things are going.
Yes, Singing River Gulfport closed theirs 4/1. They say they hope it will be temporary but we shall see. There are 4 or 5 others who have ceased operations in the state.
Ochsner stopped delivering in July 2022 after the only obstetrician they had on staff left, and Greenwood Leflore closed its L&D in October 2022. DRMC, which is located in a very, very impoverished area, closed its NICU, too. Any babies needing critical treatment have to be taken about 2 hours away to the University of Mississippi hospital center.
It's insane because Mississippi has the highest fetal mortality rate AND highest infant mortality rate in the entire nation!
So so sad.
Why do Republicans hate women so much? I don't get it.
Their misogyny is rooted in their superstitions. Literally, they literally believe a Bronze Age document that women are the cause of humanity’s downfall. Plus they enjoy being served by women, as so many conservative religious women happily do. They can get more women to serve them if they make enough of them powerless and miserable. Hence: hating women and punishing them.
Respectfully disagree. The people in power aren’t religious and their misogyny isn’t biblical.
Republicans hate women because women don’t vote for Republicans the way men do. Even taking out abortion, on issues like school funding and public safety nets, women voted more for Democrats than men did.
So, if you want to make it harder for women to vote, it’s better that they be poor, have children (and therefore childcare) which make it hard to reach polling places, be consumed with mundane issues men spend zero time on (will I be able to access basic healthcare in an emergency) and yeah, in a pinch, a dead woman is more likely to be a Democratic voter than a Republican one so if some extra women die that’s all better for their numbers.
Saying this is about their religion gives them a pass I don’t think they deserve. They want women dead, or poor, or struggling, because women are a threat to their power. Period.
Anonymous
04/04/2023 08:56
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but Mississippi has a number of hospital systems that are closing delivery departments. It does not look good the way things are going.
Yes, Singing River Gulfport closed theirs 4/1. They say they hope it will be temporary but we shall see. There are 4 or 5 others who have ceased operations in the state.
Ochsner stopped delivering in July 2022 after the only obstetrician they had on staff left, and Greenwood Leflore closed its L&D in October 2022. DRMC, which is located in a very, very impoverished area, closed its NICU, too. Any babies needing critical treatment have to be taken about 2 hours away to the University of Mississippi hospital center.
It's insane because Mississippi has the highest fetal mortality rate AND highest infant mortality rate in the entire nation!
So so sad.
Why do Republicans hate women so much? I don't get it.
Their misogyny is rooted in their superstitions. Literally, they literally believe a Bronze Age document that women are the cause of humanity’s downfall. Plus they enjoy being served by women, as so many conservative religious women happily do. They can get more women to serve them if they make enough of them powerless and miserable. Hence: hating women and punishing them.
Anonymous
04/03/2023 19:07
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but Mississippi has a number of hospital systems that are closing delivery departments. It does not look good the way things are going.
Yes, Singing River Gulfport closed theirs 4/1. They say they hope it will be temporary but we shall see. There are 4 or 5 others who have ceased operations in the state.
Ochsner stopped delivering in July 2022 after the only obstetrician they had on staff left, and Greenwood Leflore closed its L&D in October 2022. DRMC, which is located in a very, very impoverished area, closed its NICU, too. Any babies needing critical treatment have to be taken about 2 hours away to the University of Mississippi hospital center.
It's insane because Mississippi has the highest fetal mortality rate AND highest infant mortality rate in the entire nation!
So so sad.
Why do Republicans hate women so much? I don't get it.
Anonymous
04/03/2023 16:33
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:I don't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but Mississippi has a number of hospital systems that are closing delivery departments. It does not look good the way things are going.
Yes, Singing River Gulfport closed theirs 4/1. They say they hope it will be temporary but we shall see. There are 4 or 5 others who have ceased operations in the state.
Ochsner stopped delivering in July 2022 after the only obstetrician they had on staff left, and Greenwood Leflore closed its L&D in October 2022. DRMC, which is located in a very, very impoverished area, closed its NICU, too. Any babies needing critical treatment have to be taken about 2 hours away to the University of Mississippi hospital center.
It's insane because Mississippi has the highest fetal mortality rate AND highest infant mortality rate in the entire nation!
Anonymous
04/03/2023 12:38
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban
An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.
Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.
The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.
Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?
How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.
PP who wrote the bolded should listen to Act One: "Do No Harm" of this episode of This American Life, about one Idaho OB's decision about leaving the state as she sees the profound impact the abortion is having on regular obstetrical care. It is eye-opening, and I think most people have NO idea about this.
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/792/when-to-leave
My guess is that the majority of the women who would be affected but who happily keep voting against their own rights think there will be an exception. Plus, to listen to them talk, they tend to be pig ignorant; how many of them have you read on this forum alone who insist that their d&c wasn’t an abortion, even though by medical definition that’s exactly what it was.
And to be that ignorant means that they’ve made media choices that aren’t going to tell them the truth or they’ve listened to forced birther propaganda for so long that they don’t understand that to be forced birth means death for women.
“God’s plan” for them will become painfully apparent before long. Hate to say “I told you so,” but some people have to live it to believe it. The priority is minimizing the damage to the innocent. The rest of them effed around, and now they can find out.
Anonymous
04/03/2023 07:22
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:If I were an OB I wouldn't want to practice in a backwards-аss state like Idaho. Remember republicans are not pro-life. They are anti-women.
+1 Can anyone share how easy or hard it is for an MD to get licensed in a different state?
Anonymous
04/03/2023 07:17
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban
An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.
Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.
The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.
Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?
How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.
PP who wrote the bolded should listen to Act One: "Do No Harm" of this episode of This American Life, about one Idaho OB's decision about leaving the state as she sees the profound impact the abortion is having on regular obstetrical care. It is eye-opening, and I think most people have NO idea about this.
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/792/when-to-leave
My guess is that the majority of the women who would be affected but who happily keep voting against their own rights think there will be an exception. Plus, to listen to them talk, they tend to be pig ignorant; how many of them have you read on this forum alone who insist that their d&c wasn’t an abortion, even though by medical definition that’s exactly what it was.
And to be that ignorant means that they’ve made media choices that aren’t going to tell them the truth or they’ve listened to forced birther propaganda for so long that they don’t understand that to be forced birth means death for women.
Anonymous
04/02/2023 18:50
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban
An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.
Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.
The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.
Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?
How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.
PP who wrote the bolded should listen to Act One: "Do No Harm" of this episode of This American Life, about one Idaho OB's decision about leaving the state as she sees the profound impact the abortion is having on regular obstetrical care. It is eye-opening, and I think most people have NO idea about this.
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/792/when-to-leave
Anonymous
04/02/2023 14:56
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:If I were an OB I wouldn't want to practice in a backwards-аss state like Idaho. Remember republicans are not pro-life. They are anti-women.
Of course they don't want too practice in Idaho. Bite a bullet and good luck to the women of Idaho...you will eventually be on your own to carry and deliver your pregnancies. Maybe vote for modern medical care next time so you don't run all your docs out of the state.
Anonymous
04/02/2023 14:38
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
If I were an OB I wouldn't want to practice in a backwards-аss state like Idaho. Remember republicans are not pro-life. They are anti-women.
Anonymous
04/02/2023 08:27
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban
An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.
Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.
The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.
Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?
How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.
Plenty do, they just do it quietly because “pro-lifers” are rabid and violent animals, and they don’t want to live every day in fear for their lives just for taking care of their patients. Also, PP employs OB/GYNs.
+1. I was told after my second child nearly killed me that I would likely die if I tried to carry another babY to term. I got an IUD and asked by OB/Gyn what happened if it failed. She said she didn’t do abortions but would refer me to someone in her practice who did. (Two years later, I did, in fact get pregnant and it was ectopic, so the pregnancy was terminated in emergency surgery while I Bled out).
Oh, wow. So sorry this all happened to you. Glad you made it through
Anonymous
04/01/2023 22:48
Subject: Re:Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:
It's what happens when stupid voters play stupid games..
Anonymous
04/01/2023 22:42
Subject: Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban
An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.
Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.
The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.
Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?
How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.
Plenty do, they just do it quietly because “pro-lifers” are rabid and violent animals, and they don’t want to live every day in fear for their lives just for taking care of their patients. Also, PP employs OB/GYNs.
+1. I was told after my second child nearly killed me that I would likely die if I tried to carry another babY to term. I got an IUD and asked by OB/Gyn what happened if it failed. She said she didn’t do abortions but would refer me to someone in her practice who did. (Two years later, I did, in fact get pregnant and it was ectopic, so the pregnancy was terminated in emergency surgery while I Bled out).