Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 15:09     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Is there even a method for colleges to check? I suppose the only way is to cross-reference their transcripts (unless, of course, they lied on those when starting school).

My cousin's kid definitely got a boost when applying for college. She's attending (and struggling) a university she was underqualified to attend. She identified as African American, Inuit, and Asian. She's pale, blonde-haired, & blue-eyed.

My cousin, her dad: white, blonde hair, blue eyes
Her mom: mixed - Ethiopian/Japanese/Inuit/White (her mom looks Asian with moderately pale skin, straight black hair, and brown eyes).

My cousin's DD has lived NONE of the experiences of those ethnicities/races. She is only viewed as a typical white woman by society.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 15:02     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
For everyone whining about ethics, give it a rest. We will all be ethical if the system we operate in is fair and ethical. It is not, so we are not. Deal with it.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 14:57     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who lies about their race or anything else on a college application or job application or whatever is giving up way more than they're gaining. Why would anyone give up their integrity for ANY reason, let alone one that will make no difference in their future happiness or success?


When I was in grad school the student stipends for people of color paid an extra three thousand dollars a year. One of our classmates was married to a doctor but got extra money because she was Hispanic. What did she get? 15,000 dollars. The math is pretty clear. But the one that really got me was the subsidized university housing for married people. She got that too. While I was there (before gay marriage was legal) you could also have the subsidized housing as a gay couple. A lot of conversations about whether it was ethical to lie and say that you were actually a couple so you and your same sex friend could get cheaper better housing.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 14:24     Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:A friend of my daughter's is claiming to be Hispanic on his application, which technically he can get away with because he is half Cuban, but he does not in any way at all look Hispanic, nor is he culturally Hispanic. It's a MASSIVE stretch.


My children are half-Latino. I a single Caucasian woman and used donor sperm to conceive and the donor is Latino. I've always felt that since my kids aren't culturally Hispanic/Latino, it would be disingenuous to identify them that way on school forms, so I haven't thus far. Am I doing them a disservice by not checking the box as Latino?


Yes. They are legitimately Latino.


No. Latino is not genetic. It is 100% cultural. You can be adopted into a Latino family and identify Latino.


No. If you have Hispanic genes you are unquestionably “of Hispanic origin” even if raised “culturally white”.


A white baby born in Madrid adopted by white Americans is not Hispanic. A white baby born in Sweden adopted by Spanish parents is Hispanic
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 14:20     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who lies about their race or anything else on a college application or job application or whatever is giving up way more than they're gaining. Why would anyone give up their integrity for ANY reason, let alone one that will make no difference in their future happiness or success?


Colleges should not discriminate based on race in the first place.
That's evil.


So basically, "I don't like what I perceive someone else to be doing, so I can do whatever I want in response."

That kind of rationale has led to all sorts of evil through the ages.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 12:11     Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A friend of my daughter's is claiming to be Hispanic on his application, which technically he can get away with because he is half Cuban, but he does not in any way at all look Hispanic, nor is he culturally Hispanic. It's a MASSIVE stretch.


My children are half-Latino. I a single Caucasian woman and used donor sperm to conceive and the donor is Latino. I've always felt that since my kids aren't culturally Hispanic/Latino, it would be disingenuous to identify them that way on school forms, so I haven't thus far. Am I doing them a disservice by not checking the box as Latino?


Yes. They are legitimately Latino.


No. Latino is not genetic. It is 100% cultural. You can be adopted into a Latino family and identify Latino.


No. If you have Hispanic genes you are unquestionably “of Hispanic origin” even if raised “culturally white”.


Messi is paler than the majority of Spaniards….messi would get AA but some kid from Andalusia wouldn’t.

No one misuses AA more than Latinos.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 12:09     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
White Latinos ruined AA for black people

Good job

I’m in bogota right now and people in the northern neighborhoods are paler than white people in Bethesda

Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 12:07     Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Would saying you are AA be lying if one parent is from Morocco, Tunisia or Egypt and is more Mediterranean? I know technically they are from the continent of Africa, but culturally they do not identify as black.


French Montana is Moroccan and says “nigga” in his raps and no one checks him in it so if you are from Africa you get the AA pass


Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 11:36     Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A friend of my daughter's is claiming to be Hispanic on his application, which technically he can get away with because he is half Cuban, but he does not in any way at all look Hispanic, nor is he culturally Hispanic. It's a MASSIVE stretch.


My children are half-Latino. I a single Caucasian woman and used donor sperm to conceive and the donor is Latino. I've always felt that since my kids aren't culturally Hispanic/Latino, it would be disingenuous to identify them that way on school forms, so I haven't thus far. Am I doing them a disservice by not checking the box as Latino?


Yes. They are legitimately Latino.


No. Latino is not genetic. It is 100% cultural. You can be adopted into a Latino family and identify Latino.


No. If you have Hispanic genes you are unquestionably “of Hispanic origin” even if raised “culturally white”.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 11:22     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:I read how it’s all self reported information and how colleges claim to have a large diverse population. Is this happening rarely or frequently?




The whole "race" thing is a lie, so people defending themselves with creativity is not really "lying" IMO
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 11:10     Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Would saying you are AA be lying if one parent is from Morocco, Tunisia or Egypt and is more Mediterranean? I know technically they are from the continent of Africa, but culturally they do not identify as black.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 11:03     Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A friend of my daughter's is claiming to be Hispanic on his application, which technically he can get away with because he is half Cuban, but he does not in any way at all look Hispanic, nor is he culturally Hispanic. It's a MASSIVE stretch.


My children are half-Latino. I a single Caucasian woman and used donor sperm to conceive and the donor is Latino. I've always felt that since my kids aren't culturally Hispanic/Latino, it would be disingenuous to identify them that way on school forms, so I haven't thus far. Am I doing them a disservice by not checking the box as Latino?


Yes. They are legitimately Latino.


No. Latino is not genetic. It is 100% cultural. You can be adopted into a Latino family and identify Latino.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 11:02     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who lies about their race or anything else on a college application or job application or whatever is giving up way more than they're gaining. Why would anyone give up their integrity for ANY reason, let alone one that will make no difference in their future happiness or success?


Colleges should not discriminate based on race in the first place.
That's evil.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2023 10:49     Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This forum is way too consumed about race.


I actually think this is an interesting discussion. And there are so many scenarios and interpretations.

--Like the single white mom whose sperm donor is Latino
--the Latina woman who adopted a child from Russia.
--Similarly I am friends with a white couple who adopted their daughter. One of the girl's biological parents is Hispanic. She has an open adoption so sees her biological family once per year or something. So technically, she IS Hispanic. Culturally, though, she is not being raised in that environment.
--My (adopted) daughter is Asian. We are white. We do minimal Chinese cultural things (We did when she was younger. My daughter is just not interested AT ALL). She is clearly Asian because she looks Asian. And she checked Asian because she is, but is it just because she looks that way? Is it because of her DNA?
--My daughter has a friend who is Jewish. Her ancestors were from Eastern Europe. When her grandparents escaped, they went to Cuba. Her mother moved to Florida where my daughter's friend was born and raised. She says she is Hispanic because her mother is from Cuba.
--Lastly, my daughter has another friend whose grandfather is 1/4 Native American, which makes my daughter's friend 1/16. They are on the rolls for their tribe. Is she enough Native American?

There is no right answer. Probably best described by the Facebook relationship category. It's complicated.


It's made particularly hard by the fact that the questions rarely provide any definitions for the terms they are using.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2023 21:26     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anyone who lies about their race or anything else on a college application or job application or whatever is giving up way more than they're gaining. Why would anyone give up their integrity for ANY reason, let alone one that will make no difference in their future happiness or success?