Anonymous
01/29/2023 18:11
Subject: Re:Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
This may sound callous but the constant posting on social media, the keeping up with the Joneses, the constant look at me pregnancies and prop babies and portrayal of a perfect family life is largely to blame here. I would venture to say very few, if any, millennials have the life skills, stamina, and grit to raise three kids successfully. They live on social media and if and when they finally encounter real life they sink. These people had no business having kids.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 18:06
Subject: Re:Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: To those that are judging her horrible actions, we need to remember that she was out of her mind. This is not the act of a well or rational person. It's so sad and so tragic.
She killed 2 people seriously harmed another who ended up dying and herself in a relatively short period of time.
That's not a small act. Specifically the method she used to kill the kids. Toddlers are strong as heck they would have been fighting. Strangulation is a horrific way to go.
As a medical professional she would know this
She may have a mental illness but I'm not willing to mitigate what she did based on that alone
Yes, she moved quick. Husband was gone 30 minutes, that's less than 10 min to kill each child and jump out of the window. It was reported there was obvious signs of trauma, so it sounds like they fought. It didn't happen in the middle of the night while they were asleep with sleep medication. It must have been a violent struggle with the 2 oldest kids.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 18:06
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.
I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.
I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.
I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone
If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women
Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.
I'm guessing MA has an involuntary commitment process where someone can be committed against their will if they are established to be a danger to themselves or others. Hindsight is 20/20, though.
Hindsight is 20/20 and she should’ve been 302’d. What’s so different and unique about her verses someone like Nicholas Cruz though who most likely suffers from mental illness or a murderer who suffered from childhood trauma? No, they may not have PPP or PPD but we shouldn’t minimize other mental illnesses. What about Chris Watts, the father who murdered his family….he clearly wasn’t in his right mind, but we don’t feel any sort of empathy for him. PPD/PPP is unique but so are other mental illnesses. Why do we feel so badly for this woman?? Where do we draw the fine line between downright evil and mentally ill, funny how a white middle class RN could never be evil, but switch the roles to any other demographic and the tune would quickly change.
Yes, the tune would change because women don’t normally do such things.
Yes and just because she is a woman doesn’t make her any better than Nicholas Cruz, or Christipher Watts, etc. Why didn’t blame mental illness on the men’s crimes? They could have been paranoid schizophrenics but no one cared because we already decided they were born evil, there were no excuses.
I don’t blame mental illness or “evil” (let me guess, you think they have “tainted souls,” too?). I blame gun culture.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 18:04
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.
I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.
I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.
I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone
If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women
Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.
I'm guessing MA has an involuntary commitment process where someone can be committed against their will if they are established to be a danger to themselves or others. Hindsight is 20/20, though.
Hindsight is 20/20 and she should’ve been 302’d. What’s so different and unique about her verses someone like Nicholas Cruz though who most likely suffers from mental illness or a murderer who suffered from childhood trauma? No, they may not have PPP or PPD but we shouldn’t minimize other mental illnesses. What about Chris Watts, the father who murdered his family….he clearly wasn’t in his right mind, but we don’t feel any sort of empathy for him. PPD/PPP is unique but so are other mental illnesses. Why do we feel so badly for this woman?? Where do we draw the fine line between downright evil and mentally ill, funny how a white middle class RN could never be evil, but switch the roles to any other demographic and the tune would quickly change.
Yes, the tune would change because women don’t normally do such things.
Yes and just because she is a woman doesn’t make her any better than Nicholas Cruz, or Christipher Watts, etc. Why didn’t blame mental illness on the men’s crimes? They could have been paranoid schizophrenics but no one cared because we already decided they were born evil, there were no excuses.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 18:00
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.
I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.
I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.
I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone
If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women
Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.
I'm guessing MA has an involuntary commitment process where someone can be committed against their will if they are established to be a danger to themselves or others. Hindsight is 20/20, though.
Hindsight is 20/20 and she should’ve been 302’d. What’s so different and unique about her verses someone like Nicholas Cruz though who most likely suffers from mental illness or a murderer who suffered from childhood trauma? No, they may not have PPP or PPD but we shouldn’t minimize other mental illnesses. What about Chris Watts, the father who murdered his family….he clearly wasn’t in his right mind, but we don’t feel any sort of empathy for him. PPD/PPP is unique but so are other mental illnesses. Why do we feel so badly for this woman?? Where do we draw the fine line between downright evil and mentally ill, funny how a white middle class RN could never be evil, but switch the roles to any other demographic and the tune would quickly change.
^^also to add, psychiatry isn’t an exact science, it is quite subjective. Where perhaps one psychiatrist may determine that someone lacks capacity, another may not. It’s not black and white. And people can mask symptoms as well. It’s a crap shoot.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 17:58
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.
I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.
I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.
I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone
If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women
Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.
I'm guessing MA has an involuntary commitment process where someone can be committed against their will if they are established to be a danger to themselves or others. Hindsight is 20/20, though.
Hindsight is 20/20 and she should’ve been 302’d. What’s so different and unique about her verses someone like Nicholas Cruz though who most likely suffers from mental illness or a murderer who suffered from childhood trauma? No, they may not have PPP or PPD but we shouldn’t minimize other mental illnesses. What about Chris Watts, the father who murdered his family….he clearly wasn’t in his right mind, but we don’t feel any sort of empathy for him. PPD/PPP is unique but so are other mental illnesses. Why do we feel so badly for this woman?? Where do we draw the fine line between downright evil and mentally ill, funny how a white middle class RN could never be evil, but switch the roles to any other demographic and the tune would quickly change.
Yes, the tune would change because women don’t normally do such things.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 17:55
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.
I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.
I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.
I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone
If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women
Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.
I'm guessing MA has an involuntary commitment process where someone can be committed against their will if they are established to be a danger to themselves or others. Hindsight is 20/20, though.
Hindsight is 20/20 and she should’ve been 302’d. What’s so different and unique about her verses someone like Nicholas Cruz though who most likely suffers from mental illness or a murderer who suffered from childhood trauma? No, they may not have PPP or PPD but we shouldn’t minimize other mental illnesses. What about Chris Watts, the father who murdered his family….he clearly wasn’t in his right mind, but we don’t feel any sort of empathy for him. PPD/PPP is unique but so are other mental illnesses. Why do we feel so badly for this woman?? Where do we draw the fine line between downright evil and mentally ill, funny how a white middle class RN could never be evil, but switch the roles to any other demographic and the tune would quickly change.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 16:26
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.
I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.
I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.
I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone
If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women
Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.
I'm guessing MA has an involuntary commitment process where someone can be committed against their will if they are established to be a danger to themselves or others. Hindsight is 20/20, though.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 15:42
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.
I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.
I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.
I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone
If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women
Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.
Look, I think she should get the death penalty. It's the only way anyone can move on.
What? Even the husband is asking for grace and forgiveness. Who needs this woman to die, too?
I am curious if there is evidence she suffered from ppa/d or psychosis with previous pregnancies, or if it will come out that this was medication induced. There could be so many factors at play.
The husband isn't in the position to ask for those things. He is not currently mentally sound himself.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 15:39
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.
I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.
I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.
I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone
If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women
Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.
Clancy was in a unique situation in where she had access to that most likely due to her job and social status. Not all women have access to that. Nor do they have in home support. The best most get is a few screening questions at follow up visits. We can do better.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 15:31
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Why have 3 kids? I have not seen any mom (unless they are wealthy like Hilaria Baldwin or Kim K) who don't start losing it after two kids.
3 is super hard and no one else wants to look after your kid either. This is not a society where women have a village to raise their kids. You are seriously screwed if you have 3 kids. In our circle the only people who have had 3 kids were people whose second pregnancy resulted in twins. And the moment you hear "twins" for a second pregnancy, you start to feel bad for them because more than 2 kids is chaos.
In DC where everyone has purposely moved here, away from their families of origin, what you’re saying is correct.
Most people in the US live where they grew up and have family around.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 15:03
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.
I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.
I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.
I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone
If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women
Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.
I would like to see more support and care for all women—especially for those with lesser incomes, no family support, and a history of problems with mental stability. And, for God’s sake, I want to make sure Black mothers’ struggles and pain are not dismissed.
Also, I would like to see fair and equal consideration for every women who finds herself in these horrible situations.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 14:31
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.
I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.
I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.
I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone
If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women
Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.
Look, I think she should get the death penalty. It's the only way anyone can move on.
Good thing this happened in the commonwealth of Massachusetts!
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:28
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.
I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.
I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.
I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone
If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women
Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.
Look, I think she should get the death penalty. It's the only way anyone can move on.
What? Even the husband is asking for grace and forgiveness. Who needs this woman to die, too?
I am curious if there is evidence she suffered from ppa/d or psychosis with previous pregnancies, or if it will come out that this was medication induced. There could be so many factors at play.
The husband is asking for forgiveness, not absolution or asking to forget. He didn't say that he would take her back either.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:26
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.
I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.
I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.
I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone
If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women
Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.
Look, I think she should get the death penalty. It's the only way anyone can move on.
What? Even the husband is asking for grace and forgiveness. Who needs this woman to die, too?
I am curious if there is evidence she suffered from ppa/d or psychosis with previous pregnancies, or if it will come out that this was medication induced. There could be so many factors at play.