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Anonymous wrote:OP, I did not read the entire thread, but I hope you are staying positive for your kid. He has some excellent admittances and I would not be surprised if he gets offered a spot at Purdue.

UT Austin, Rice, and University of Washington were never going to happen. Georgia Tech is a toss up, but probably also a "no". Wisconsin seems like he should have a good shot.

I went through this with my kid last year. You need to be VERY positive about all of his acceptances and remind him why he likes those schools.

Huh. Why?? (not OP).

The kid has PERFECT stats.

So do thousands of others. (Tens or hundreds of thousands in TO world.)

You seriously think there are "hundreds of thousands" of high school seniors with perfect 4.0 uw GPAs AND who have taken 9 AP courses to include AP Physics, AP Calc BC, etc. AND who are Eagle Scouts AND have the equivalent of OP's kid's other accomplishments? No way.

NP here—hi OP. There may not be hundreds of thousands but there is certainly at least a hundred thousand. Public high schools give out 4.0s like candy. 100,000 would still be less than 1% of graduating seniors. So PP is right that there are hundreds of thousands of stellar students competing for the same spots. And there isn’t just one kind of “perfect.”

Come again?

It’s not less than 1%, but more like 2.5%. There are about 4 million graduating students—and that’s just the US. Point still stands, there are at least 100,000 students as stellar or more so than OP’s kid.

By GPA alone, sure. But you're conveniently ignoring the fact that the student has taken/is taking 9 APs across a range of subjects - to include ones likes AP Physics and AP Calc BC - on top of other achievements (Eagle Scouts, etc.). Are there thousands of equivalent kids? Yeah, probably. But 100,000? Again, no way.

124,335 kids took the Calc BC exam in 2021. 136K took Physics 1, 48K took Physics C: Mechanics, 18K took Physics 2.
Given that most kids (in our school, anyway) who take BC also take at least one AP Physics class, 100K+ is reasonable.


https://www.turito.com/blog/ap/the-most-popular-ap-exams-every-high-school-students-should-consider

OP said her kid took AP Physics C (among other tests). And per your figures, only 48K took Physics C. So no, 100K+ is not reasonable because less than half that amount took AP Physics C. Plus, not all of those 48K had a perfect 4.0 uw GPA in addition to the other accomplishments listed for OP's kid. And this is all ignoring the very high SAT score, which is at least considered - NOT ignored - by test-optional colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I did not read the entire thread, but I hope you are staying positive for your kid. He has some excellent admittances and I would not be surprised if he gets offered a spot at Purdue.

UT Austin, Rice, and University of Washington were never going to happen. Georgia Tech is a toss up, but probably also a "no". Wisconsin seems like he should have a good shot.

I went through this with my kid last year. You need to be VERY positive about all of his acceptances and remind him why he likes those schools.

Huh. Why?? (not OP).

The kid has PERFECT stats.

So do thousands of others. (Tens or hundreds of thousands in TO world.)

You seriously think there are "hundreds of thousands" of high school seniors with perfect 4.0 uw GPAs AND who have taken 9 AP courses to include AP Physics, AP Calc BC, etc. AND who are Eagle Scouts AND have the equivalent of OP's kid's other accomplishments? No way.

NP here—hi OP. There may not be hundreds of thousands but there is certainly at least a hundred thousand. Public high schools give out 4.0s like candy. 100,000 would still be less than 1% of graduating seniors. So PP is right that there are hundreds of thousands of stellar students competing for the same spots. And there isn’t just one kind of “perfect.”

Come again?

It’s not less than 1%, but more like 2.5%. There are about 4 million graduating students—and that’s just the US. Point still stands, there are at least 100,000 students as stellar or more so than OP’s kid.

By GPA alone, sure. But you're conveniently ignoring the fact that the student has taken/is taking 9 APs across a range of subjects - to include ones likes AP Physics and AP Calc BC - on top of other achievements (Eagle Scouts, etc.). Are there thousands of equivalent kids? Yeah, probably. But 100,000? Again, no way.

124,335 kids took the Calc BC exam in 2021. 136K took Physics 1, 48K took Physics C: Mechanics, 18K took Physics 2.
Given that most kids (in our school, anyway) who take BC also take at least one AP Physics class, 100K+ is reasonable.


https://www.turito.com/blog/ap/the-most-popular-ap-exams-every-high-school-students-should-consider

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I did not read the entire thread, but I hope you are staying positive for your kid. He has some excellent admittances and I would not be surprised if he gets offered a spot at Purdue.

UT Austin, Rice, and University of Washington were never going to happen. Georgia Tech is a toss up, but probably also a "no". Wisconsin seems like he should have a good shot.

I went through this with my kid last year. You need to be VERY positive about all of his acceptances and remind him why he likes those schools.

Huh. Why?? (not OP).

The kid has PERFECT stats.

So do thousands of others. (Tens or hundreds of thousands in TO world.)

You seriously think there are "hundreds of thousands" of high school seniors with perfect 4.0 uw GPAs AND who have taken 9 AP courses to include AP Physics, AP Calc BC, etc. AND who are Eagle Scouts AND have the equivalent of OP's kid's other accomplishments? No way.

NP here—hi OP. There may not be hundreds of thousands but there is certainly at least a hundred thousand. Public high schools give out 4.0s like candy. 100,000 would still be less than 1% of graduating seniors. So PP is right that there are hundreds of thousands of stellar students competing for the same spots. And there isn’t just one kind of “perfect.”

Come again?

It’s not less than 1%, but more like 2.5%. There are about 4 million graduating students—and that’s just the US. Point still stands, there are at least 100,000 students as stellar or more so than OP’s kid.

By GPA alone, sure. But you're conveniently ignoring the fact that the student has taken/is taking 9 APs across a range of subjects - to include ones likes AP Physics and AP Calc BC - on top of other achievements (Eagle Scouts, etc.). Are there thousands of equivalent kids? Yeah, probably. But 100,000? Again, no way.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I did not read the entire thread, but I hope you are staying positive for your kid. He has some excellent admittances and I would not be surprised if he gets offered a spot at Purdue.

UT Austin, Rice, and University of Washington were never going to happen. Georgia Tech is a toss up, but probably also a "no". Wisconsin seems like he should have a good shot.

I went through this with my kid last year. You need to be VERY positive about all of his acceptances and remind him why he likes those schools.

Huh. Why?? (not OP).

The kid has PERFECT stats.

So do thousands of others. (Tens or hundreds of thousands in TO world.)

You seriously think there are "hundreds of thousands" of high school seniors with perfect 4.0 uw GPAs AND who have taken 9 AP courses to include AP Physics, AP Calc BC, etc. AND who are Eagle Scouts AND have the equivalent of OP's kid's other accomplishments? No way.

NP here—hi OP. There may not be hundreds of thousands but there is certainly at least a hundred thousand. Public high schools give out 4.0s like candy. 100,000 would still be less than 1% of graduating seniors. So PP is right that there are hundreds of thousands of stellar students competing for the same spots. And there isn’t just one kind of “perfect.”

Come again?

It’s not less than 1%, but more like 2.5%. There are about 4 million graduating students—and that’s just the US. Point still stands, there are at least 100,000 students as stellar or more so than OP’s kid.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I get what everyone is saying but please stop saying a kid with:

4.0, never less than an A in 7 years
9 APs including the most rigorous sci & math
Strong ECs strongly aligning with academic interest
1550 one sitting
Eagle Scout

is a dime a dozen, HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of kids, SO typical.

No. Not true. Not here. Not anywhere.

OP's kid will thrive because that's who he is and we can all look at this theoretically and say, oh whatever college is fine he'll be a success who cares it's such an honor to go to gmu...

It is disappointing and yes, on some level, unfair how this is all going down.

She's allowed to be upset. You are allowed to criticize her. And I am allowed to call you a clown.

No--there are tons of kids with those stats or very close (1550+ and 3.95UW and 10+ APs). Once you hit 1550+ the score does not really matter. There are lots of kids with great stats, due to test prep. And the "one sitting" does not matter as 99% of schools superscore and Do NOT care if it took more than 1 attempt. And that group of kids is applying to 10-15+ top/elite schools. When acceptance rates are less than 15-20%, you should assume your kid will not get in and be excited if you do.

Yes, OP kid will (or should) thrive anywhere because they are smart, driven, high achieving. But the college process has been brutal for several years and gotten worse each year, TO makes it even more challenging. Smart people know this and prepare. That means finding Safeties that you ACTuALLY LIKE and want to attend and showing demonstrated interest. Why apply to schools that you wouldn't actually want to attend?

Yes, be disappointed for a day or so after you get rejected, then move on and focus on what's remaining.

What do you mean by “tons”? This is an incredibly small pool. Of the 2.13M sat test takers, 8323 students scored 1550 or higher (according to a Google search). Let’s be generous and agree that 80% of kids with those scores also have 10 APs, good EC’s, and almost all A’s. That brings us to 6659 students. Let’s say there are only 5 population centers where these kids live (vast oversimplification helping your argument), that means that there are 1331 such students in the DMV. Total enrollment in MCPS is 160,560 and FCPS is 181K plus. Dividing by 12 you calculate total number of high school seniors as something like 20K in the DMV (which ignores all other counties, DCPS and private school). Even using this favorable (to your argument) analysis, fewer than 1 in 100 high school kids in this area will have these stats. 0.7% is rare. And it’s a disservice to these kids to pretend they are a dime a dozen (even here).

Doesn’t mean they will all get into a T-Whatever college or that there won’t be disappointments galore. But I am tired of hearing about how these high achievements are run of the mill. They are decidedly not.

NP: your original number doesn’t take into account superscores. College Board only reports one sitting scores by cohort year. You also don’t consider ACT scores in regions that use that test over SATs. For admissions, it doesn’t matter that a kid scores 1550 in one sitting. Also, 1550 and 1500 are not separate pools of students for admission purposes.

Forgot to add that you also can’t limit your analysis to one year of test takers because students take the SAT between 10th and 12th grade.

Seriously? Ok. Go up to 1 in 100 rather than less than 1 in a 100. The point still stands. These are rare scores and these are kids we should collectively be proud of. There are ways to make your point about how uncertain the college admission process is without resorting to say these kids are “a dime a dozen”.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I did not read the entire thread, but I hope you are staying positive for your kid. He has some excellent admittances and I would not be surprised if he gets offered a spot at Purdue.

UT Austin, Rice, and University of Washington were never going to happen. Georgia Tech is a toss up, but probably also a "no". Wisconsin seems like he should have a good shot.

I went through this with my kid last year. You need to be VERY positive about all of his acceptances and remind him why he likes those schools.

Huh. Why?? (not OP).

The kid has PERFECT stats.

So do thousands of others. (Tens or hundreds of thousands in TO world.)

You seriously think there are "hundreds of thousands" of high school seniors with perfect 4.0 uw GPAs AND who have taken 9 AP courses to include AP Physics, AP Calc BC, etc. AND who are Eagle Scouts AND have the equivalent of OP's kid's other accomplishments? No way.

NP here—hi OP. There may not be hundreds of thousands but there is certainly at least a hundred thousand. Public high schools give out 4.0s like candy. 100,000 would still be less than 1% of graduating seniors. So PP is right that there are hundreds of thousands of stellar students competing for the same spots. And there isn’t just one kind of “perfect.”

Come again?

It’s not less than 1%, but more like 2.5%. There are about 4 million graduating students—and that’s just the US. Point still stands, there are at least 100,000 students as stellar or more so than OP’s kid.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I get what everyone is saying but please stop saying a kid with:

4.0, never less than an A in 7 years
9 APs including the most rigorous sci & math
Strong ECs strongly aligning with academic interest
1550 one sitting
Eagle Scout

is a dime a dozen, HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of kids, SO typical.

No. Not true. Not here. Not anywhere.

OP's kid will thrive because that's who he is and we can all look at this theoretically and say, oh whatever college is fine he'll be a success who cares it's such an honor to go to gmu...

It is disappointing and yes, on some level, unfair how this is all going down.

She's allowed to be upset. You are allowed to criticize her. And I am allowed to call you a clown.

No--there are tons of kids with those stats or very close (1550+ and 3.95UW and 10+ APs). Once you hit 1550+ the score does not really matter. There are lots of kids with great stats, due to test prep. And the "one sitting" does not matter as 99% of schools superscore and Do NOT care if it took more than 1 attempt. And that group of kids is applying to 10-15+ top/elite schools. When acceptance rates are less than 15-20%, you should assume your kid will not get in and be excited if you do.

Yes, OP kid will (or should) thrive anywhere because they are smart, driven, high achieving. But the college process has been brutal for several years and gotten worse each year, TO makes it even more challenging. Smart people know this and prepare. That means finding Safeties that you ACTuALLY LIKE and want to attend and showing demonstrated interest. Why apply to schools that you wouldn't actually want to attend?

Yes, be disappointed for a day or so after you get rejected, then move on and focus on what's remaining.

What do you mean by “tons”? This is an incredibly small pool. Of the 2.13M sat test takers, 8323 students scored 1550 or higher (according to a Google search). Let’s be generous and agree that 80% of kids with those scores also have 10 APs, good EC’s, and almost all A’s. That brings us to 6659 students. Let’s say there are only 5 population centers where these kids live (vast oversimplification helping your argument), that means that there are 1331 such students in the DMV. Total enrollment in MCPS is 160,560 and FCPS is 181K plus. Dividing by 12 you calculate total number of high school seniors as something like 20K in the DMV (which ignores all other counties, DCPS and private school). Even using this favorable (to your argument) analysis, fewer than 1 in 100 high school kids in this area will have these stats. 0.7% is rare. And it’s a disservice to these kids to pretend they are a dime a dozen (even here).

Doesn’t mean they will all get into a T-Whatever college or that there won’t be disappointments galore. But I am tired of hearing about how these high achievements are run of the mill. They are decidedly not.

NP: your original number doesn’t take into account superscores. College Board only reports one sitting scores by cohort year. You also don’t consider ACT scores in regions that use that test over SATs. For admissions, it doesn’t matter that a kid scores 1550 in one sitting. Also, 1550 and 1500 are not separate pools of students for admission purposes.

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Anonymous wrote:You people crapping on the OP are off base IMO. Let’s be honest; this kid had top 1% GPA, top 1% SAT scores and all the rest of the package. Schools like Perdue and CU aren’t swimming in kids like this. It’s completely reasonable to be upset that someone with a resume like this isn’t being immediately accepted into the schools mentioned.

He applied to CS, so yes, they are. "Purdue students generally sport A-/B+ averages in a rigorous high school program and possess average standardized test scores above the 90th percentile of all test-takers. For prospective engineering/CS students, virtually all A’s and standardized test scores above the 95th percentile are recommended." https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/how-to-get-into-purdue-university/ The CS program has a ~10% direct admit rate, so lots of A students in the 95th+ are being rejected from the CS program. It is the most popular major at the university and it is very hard to bet in to. OP's kid is among the well qualified applicants, and meets the minimum recommended to apply, and has not been rejected. They are big on showing interest, so if OPs kid wants to be among this highly qualified group of kids, he should continue to show strong interest.

They also are turning away internal 4.0 kids who try to transfer into CS. https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_14851194-dd66-11e9-8ea0-1764f0ba0b05.html

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I did not read the entire thread, but I hope you are staying positive for your kid. He has some excellent admittances and I would not be surprised if he gets offered a spot at Purdue.

UT Austin, Rice, and University of Washington were never going to happen. Georgia Tech is a toss up, but probably also a "no". Wisconsin seems like he should have a good shot.

I went through this with my kid last year. You need to be VERY positive about all of his acceptances and remind him why he likes those schools.

Huh. Why?? (not OP).

The kid has PERFECT stats.

So do thousands of others. (Tens or hundreds of thousands in TO world.)

You seriously think there are "hundreds of thousands" of high school seniors with perfect 4.0 uw GPAs AND who have taken 9 AP courses to include AP Physics, AP Calc BC, etc. AND who are Eagle Scouts AND have the equivalent of OP's kid's other accomplishments? No way.

NP here—hi OP. There may not be hundreds of thousands but there is certainly at least a hundred thousand. Public high schools give out 4.0s like candy. 100,000 would still be less than 1% of graduating seniors. So PP is right that there are hundreds of thousands of stellar students competing for the same spots. And there isn’t just one kind of “perfect.”

Come again?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I did not read the entire thread, but I hope you are staying positive for your kid. He has some excellent admittances and I would not be surprised if he gets offered a spot at Purdue.

UT Austin, Rice, and University of Washington were never going to happen. Georgia Tech is a toss up, but probably also a "no". Wisconsin seems like he should have a good shot.

I went through this with my kid last year. You need to be VERY positive about all of his acceptances and remind him why he likes those schools.

Huh. Why?? (not OP).

The kid has PERFECT stats.

So do thousands of others. (Tens or hundreds of thousands in TO world.)

You seriously think there are "hundreds of thousands" of high school seniors with perfect 4.0 uw GPAs AND who have taken 9 AP courses to include AP Physics, AP Calc BC, etc. AND who are Eagle Scouts AND have the equivalent of OP's kid's other accomplishments? No way.

NP here—hi OP. There may not be hundreds of thousands but there is certainly at least a hundred thousand. Public high schools give out 4.0s like candy. 100,000 would still be less than 1% of graduating seniors. So PP is right that there are hundreds of thousands of stellar students competing for the same spots. And there isn’t just one kind of “perfect.”

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I did not read the entire thread, but I hope you are staying positive for your kid. He has some excellent admittances and I would not be surprised if he gets offered a spot at Purdue.

UT Austin, Rice, and University of Washington were never going to happen. Georgia Tech is a toss up, but probably also a "no". Wisconsin seems like he should have a good shot.

I went through this with my kid last year. You need to be VERY positive about all of his acceptances and remind him why he likes those schools.

Huh. Why?? (not OP).

The kid has PERFECT stats.

So do thousands of others. (Tens or hundreds of thousands in TO world.)

You seriously think there are "hundreds of thousands" of high school seniors with perfect 4.0 uw GPAs AND who have taken 9 AP courses to include AP Physics, AP Calc BC, etc. AND who are Eagle Scouts AND have the equivalent of OP's kid's other accomplishments? No way.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I did not read the entire thread, but I hope you are staying positive for your kid. He has some excellent admittances and I would not be surprised if he gets offered a spot at Purdue.

UT Austin, Rice, and University of Washington were never going to happen. Georgia Tech is a toss up, but probably also a "no". Wisconsin seems like he should have a good shot.

I went through this with my kid last year. You need to be VERY positive about all of his acceptances and remind him why he likes those schools.

Huh. Why?? (not OP).

The kid has PERFECT stats.

So do thousands of others. (Tens or hundreds of thousands in TO world.)

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I did not read the entire thread, but I hope you are staying positive for your kid. He has some excellent admittances and I would not be surprised if he gets offered a spot at Purdue.

UT Austin, Rice, and University of Washington were never going to happen. Georgia Tech is a toss up, but probably also a "no". Wisconsin seems like he should have a good shot.

I went through this with my kid last year. You need to be VERY positive about all of his acceptances and remind him why he likes those schools.

Huh. Why?? (not OP).

The kid has PERFECT stats.

So do thousands of others. (Tens or hundreds of thousands in TO world.)

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I did not read the entire thread, but I hope you are staying positive for your kid. He has some excellent admittances and I would not be surprised if he gets offered a spot at Purdue.

UT Austin, Rice, and University of Washington were never going to happen. Georgia Tech is a toss up, but probably also a "no". Wisconsin seems like he should have a good shot.

I went through this with my kid last year. You need to be VERY positive about all of his acceptances and remind him why he likes those schools.

Huh. Why?? (not OP).

The kid has PERFECT stats.