Anonymous wrote:Because the woman is obviously an indentured servant and can't leave?

I'm sorry, but any woman who wants to have children needs to be upfront with her partner at the start of a LTR and needs to make sure that she establishes a time frame. If they aren't on their way to having children in her time frames, she needs to cut her losss and move on and look for someone who is ready to meet her time frame and have children.

There are plenty of single men out there that are interested in LTR with children. Find one of them. And sometimes the woman will need to compromise her standards. She may not find a handsome 1%er, but if that handsome independantly wealthy man wants a relationship and no marriage or family, the woman will have to decide whether she wants the arm candy or the family of her dreams.

Women may not be able to control their partner, but they have control of their own destiny.

Really there aren't. Have you read this board? Most men on this board do not want a LTR or if they do long term is like 10 years.

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Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!

Your dumbness?

It is.

Sis, no one can steal YOU fertility. YOU can certainly make poor choices on the other hand.

People are robbed and cheated all the time. There are manipulative people and most are men.

Wrong. Most manipulators are women. Women learn to be manipulative at an early age because they cannot use physical force or the threat of force to get what they want. Also women know men want sex from them, which provides natural leverage for women to manipulate men.

Lol if that were true then you wouldn't see so many male sex offenders or other criminals. Men are masters at manipulation and they typically target vulnerable/innocent/naive types of women who haven't had much or any sex or love experience.

Male sex offenders and criminals typically rely on physical force or the threat of physical force, not manipulation. Not to mention a lot of female sex offenders such as middle and high school teachers who prey on young boys often don't wind up serving any time at all, so the numbers are skewed.

Women are more manipulative than men because they can be. Women can (and do, on a daily basis) manipulate men with the promise of sex, with the threat of withholding sex, and with the threat of giving sex to someone else. Men simply can't do the same to women. Women rely on the fact that most men are lazy, and if men are in a relationship they'd much rather allow themselves to be manipulated than walk out the door (as they should do) and do the work of finding a new sex partner. Meanwhile her threats to walk are much more credible, because it's easy for women to find new sex partners, and are an additional tool she can use to manipulate him.

Then there is the whole "I am a weak and helpless female and you should help me" manipulation game that women pull all the time - even on male friends, when she wants him to move her apartment or fix her car - and men can't use that game on women either.

"Men are masters at manipulation" -- gee I must have been sick the day they had the Manipulation Mastery for Men course in school. Or maybe you're just projecting your own faults onto your victims, which is a very common thing for manipulators to do.

Because the woman is obviously an indentured servant and can't leave?

I'm sorry, but any woman who wants to have children needs to be upfront with her partner at the start of a LTR and needs to make sure that she establishes a time frame. If they aren't on their way to having children in her time frames, she needs to cut her losss and move on and look for someone who is ready to meet her time frame and have children.

There are plenty of single men out there that are interested in LTR with children. Find one of them. And sometimes the woman will need to compromise her standards. She may not find a handsome 1%er, but if that handsome independantly wealthy man wants a relationship and no marriage or family, the woman will have to decide whether she wants the arm candy or the family of her dreams.

Women may not be able to control their partner, but they have control of their own destiny.

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Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!

Don't waste time with losers. Don't marry losers. Don't wait around for people who aren't moving the relationship forward. Get pre-marital counseling so you are both on the same page about finances, monogamy, kids, childrearing. Don't ignore red flags. If you want children, start looking for good guys in your twenties, not your thirties.

A lot of women treat these “losers” like projects. They think if they keep investing in the potential they see, that it will eventually pay off for them and they will have the husband and family they want. Most of the time they just end up wasting their prime childbearing years.

Nobody is stealing anything. Women choose to give it away. They have agency.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened to me.

Well I’m in a marriage where I haven’t had a child yet due to lack of interest and cooperation from my husband. Now I’m too terrified to leave as bow can I divorce, fall in love and have a baby with rapidly declining fertility?

How old are you? Maybe you can freeze eggs (although there is no guarantee that would work either) or just run now if you are still young.

My AH husband and family stole my fertility - arranged marriage in early 20s. Husband is asexual, couldn't divorce due to cultural beliefs and parental pressure even though we are not compatible in anything. Tried IVFs in early 30's but found out my egg supply diminished early and my only option was egg donor. So I lost the chance to have my own biological kid because I stayed in a shitty sexless marriage. I've become a very bitter person since I was raised to stay and suffocate and that family honor was important. Now I am always depressed. Still married to a guy I hate.

I hope hearing this would help you.

Sorry this happened to you…
I wanted to ask why you waited until your 30s to try IVF
-DP

My husband kept giving false promises of going to counseling and I believed him (I was naive) and wanted to have kids the natural way. Eventually when that did not work out my parents convinced me to stay and go the IVF route to prevent me from bringing a bad rep to the family.

I should have gotten out in my 20s but here I am, a shell of my past self, an angry bitter old woman.

How old are you ? I am 44 and have one HS aged child. My exH dragged a second baby, and we divorced. I just started a journey for my second child. The issue us that after 42 90% of eggs have genetic mutations (which is why even if pregnancy happens most women miscarry). I still will spend around $40k on trying to get at least one viable embryo and transfer it to a surrogate mother. I will pay up to $200k for all treatments and the US surrogate. But to me it’s well worth it, to devote a small percentage of my $3.5mm net worth to have a blood relative as I age. I really want my genes in my baby as I have great family history with high achievers. But the family is slowly dying off with very few babies born in each generation.

I just don’t buy stories from women of huge wealth like Anniston they have all resources available to reach their goals.

You still have a chance for a fully donor baby from Mexico if that helps. I might adopt if my plan doesn’t work out.

I hope you do get your viable embryo, but I hate to break it that chances are pretty slim given your age. Even if the embryo attaches, more chances of a child with health issues, disabilities.

Ask me how I know.

Money does not bring back fertility.

I am 45 and my RE (top doctor in this field) told me that my best chance is to go totally naturally. She monitors hormones and ovulation, but no Clomid or IVF for me. I just make sure to never miss the window around ovulation. Less risk for health problems for the baby too. I have two friends with accidental pregnancies - one at 43, the other at 45 - and both had healthy babies.

What is RE? And can you recommend her? I'm 41 trying for a baby by myself though.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened to me.

Well I’m in a marriage where I haven’t had a child yet due to lack of interest and cooperation from my husband. Now I’m too terrified to leave as bow can I divorce, fall in love and have a baby with rapidly declining fertility?

How old are you? Maybe you can freeze eggs (although there is no guarantee that would work either) or just run now if you are still young.

My AH husband and family stole my fertility - arranged marriage in early 20s. Husband is asexual, couldn't divorce due to cultural beliefs and parental pressure even though we are not compatible in anything. Tried IVFs in early 30's but found out my egg supply diminished early and my only option was egg donor. So I lost the chance to have my own biological kid because I stayed in a shitty sexless marriage. I've become a very bitter person since I was raised to stay and suffocate and that family honor was important. Now I am always depressed. Still married to a guy I hate.

I hope hearing this would help you.

Sorry this happened to you…
I wanted to ask why you waited until your 30s to try IVF
-DP

My husband kept giving false promises of going to counseling and I believed him (I was naive) and wanted to have kids the natural way. Eventually when that did not work out my parents convinced me to stay and go the IVF route to prevent me from bringing a bad rep to the family.

I should have gotten out in my 20s but here I am, a shell of my past self, an angry bitter old woman.

How old are you ? I am 44 and have one HS aged child. My exH dragged a second baby, and we divorced. I just started a journey for my second child. The issue us that after 42 90% of eggs have genetic mutations (which is why even if pregnancy happens most women miscarry). I still will spend around $40k on trying to get at least one viable embryo and transfer it to a surrogate mother. I will pay up to $200k for all treatments and the US surrogate. But to me it’s well worth it, to devote a small percentage of my $3.5mm net worth to have a blood relative as I age. I really want my genes in my baby as I have great family history with high achievers. But the family is slowly dying off with very few babies born in each generation.

I just don’t buy stories from women of huge wealth like Anniston they have all resources available to reach their goals.

You still have a chance for a fully donor baby from Mexico if that helps. I might adopt if my plan doesn’t work out.

I hope you do get your viable embryo, but I hate to break it that chances are pretty slim given your age. Even if the embryo attaches, more chances of a child with health issues, disabilities.

Ask me how I know.

Money does not bring back fertility.

I am 45 and my RE (top doctor in this field) told me that my best chance is to go totally naturally. She monitors hormones and ovulation, but no Clomid or IVF for me. I just make sure to never miss the window around ovulation. Less risk for health problems for the baby too. I have two friends with accidental pregnancies - one at 43, the other at 45 - and both had healthy babies.

She is a great comedian.

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Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!

I think that JA is full of herself. If she wanted kids badly enough, she could have easily used an egg donor or adopted. She thinks her genes are all that and the kids need to be hers biologically; well that's how you end up with no kids. Adopted children were good enough for Angelina Jolie, a much, MUCH better looking woman and actress than Aniston.

Stop. Angelina jolie looks like the mummy and she has major issues. Aniston looks hot to this day and conserved her looks.

Aniston looks clinically depressed.

Aniston has never looked all that beautiful, not even in her prime. She is the girl next door. With lots of surgeries, makeup, hair styling… Nothing special.
Angelina is the fairest of them all. Stunning woman.

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Anonymous wrote:These women steal their own fertility. I was upfront when I met my husband in my mid twenties that I was looking for a relationship that was headed towards marriage and children, and that I wanted those things sooner rather than later. I ended up having trouble conceiving even at a relatively young age.

In contrast, I was strung along by another guy for four years in a prior on again off again relationship in my early twenties. He went on to string along the next woman for a decade before settling down.

With regards to Jennifer Aniston specifically, her tale is as old as time- she had an amazing career in her 20s and early 30s and by the time she decided to have kids in her mid 30s, it was more difficult for her. When Brad cheated, he was able to move on with someone who could have kids and Jen unfortunately still struggled. Jen could have settled down and had kids earlier. She chose not to. It’s not anti feminist that it becomes harder for most women to conceive as they get older. It’s anti feminist that women - not jen, who chose not to have kids young- stay in relationships and marriages where men twiddle their thumbs on marriage/kids if those are dealbreakers for the women.

You are blaming the woman who got cheated on? Wow.

Nobody is blaming women who get cheated on. That’s completely separate from having kids. How did you even get that from this?

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Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!

Your dumbness?

It is.

Sis, no one can steal YOU fertility. YOU can certainly make poor choices on the other hand.

People are robbed and cheated all the time. There are manipulative people and most are men.

Wrong. Most manipulators are women. Women learn to be manipulative at an early age because they cannot use physical force or the threat of force to get what they want. Also women know men want sex from them, which provides natural leverage for women to manipulate men.

Lol if that were true then you wouldn't see so many male sex offenders or other criminals. Men are masters at manipulation and they typically target vulnerable/innocent/naive types of women who haven't had much or any sex or love experience.

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Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!

Your dumbness?

It is.

Sis, no one can steal YOU fertility. YOU can certainly make poor choices on the other hand.

People are robbed and cheated all the time. There are manipulative people and most are men.

Wrong. Most manipulators are women. Women learn to be manipulative at an early age because they cannot use physical force or the threat of force to get what they want. Also women know men want sex from them, which provides natural leverage for women to manipulate men.

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Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!

Your dumbness?

It is.

Sis, no one can steal YOU fertility. YOU can certainly make poor choices on the other hand.

People are robbed and cheated all the time. There are manipulative people and most are men.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol, no one can steal your fertility. Up to you to leave.

What an insanely stupid post. Not surprising though for man hating dcum.

Men lead on, lie, and manipulate your feelings and emotions to keep you there. Unfortunately you're the only one in love and you wasted time on a horrible selfish man.

Exactly, they aren’t in love with you. They just want to keep you there to cook, clean, and have sex.

Women aren’t in love with you. They just want to keep you there to pay for stuff.

Those are prostitutes dear. There are women who actually fall in love.

Anonymous wrote:These women steal their own fertility. I was upfront when I met my husband in my mid twenties that I was looking for a relationship that was headed towards marriage and children, and that I wanted those things sooner rather than later. I ended up having trouble conceiving even at a relatively young age.

In contrast, I was strung along by another guy for four years in a prior on again off again relationship in my early twenties. He went on to string along the next woman for a decade before settling down.

With regards to Jennifer Aniston specifically, her tale is as old as time- she had an amazing career in her 20s and early 30s and by the time she decided to have kids in her mid 30s, it was more difficult for her. When Brad cheated, he was able to move on with someone who could have kids and Jen unfortunately still struggled. Jen could have settled down and had kids earlier. She chose not to. It’s not anti feminist that it becomes harder for most women to conceive as they get older. It’s anti feminist that women - not jen, who chose not to have kids young- stay in relationships and marriages where men twiddle their thumbs on marriage/kids if those are dealbreakers for the women.

You are blaming the woman who got cheated on? Wow.