Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 10:17     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?


Today's The Daily addresses this point.

It is to recast the debate to make the GOP seem have the reasonable position (after 15 weeks, many people become "less comfortable" with "abortion on demand.") and cast Democrats as fringe or radical. They are banking on Americans buying that position.


That seems... wildly misguided, at best.

Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 10:14     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
COMPLETELY undercuts their "states rights" BS.
Lying A--holes.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 10:13     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?


Today's The Daily addresses this point.

It is to recast the debate to make the GOP seem have the reasonable position (after 15 weeks, many people become "less comfortable" with "abortion on demand.") and cast Democrats as fringe or radical. They are banking on Americans buying that position.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 10:11     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?


15 week polls well with average American. Republicans can cast pro choice as blood thirsty baby killers if they support abortion access after 15 weeks. Can also claim “state rights” by saying states still have the choice to lower week threshold, just not raise. Don’t agree, just heard that’s a possible spin on it.


But no - this doesn't guarantee the right up to 15 weeks, while prohibiting it outside of extraordinary circumstances after that. I could see that possibly, maybe being popular - if it were bipartisan. But this is just a straight ban, with no corresponding rights. That's not at all popular.


^ Or at least I haven't seen any indication that it's popular, and my gut tells me that it's a really bad move.

No you have. It’s not popular even among Republicans. And this was before the Dobbs decision.
Even Most Republicans Don’t Want Congress To Ban Abortion Nationwide, Poll Finds
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/05/09/even-most-republicans-dont-want-congress-to-ban-abortion-nationwide-poll-finds/?sh=43caadc43979
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 10:09     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?


15 week polls well with average American. Republicans can cast pro choice as blood thirsty baby killers if they support abortion access after 15 weeks. Can also claim “state rights” by saying states still have the choice to lower week threshold, just not raise. Don’t agree, just heard that’s a possible spin on it.


Average Americans understand that women don't want to carry to term a pregnancy that results in a baby that is going to immediately die in great pain. Many average Americans have actually been placed in the situation of finding out their baby is going to die immediately upon birth in great pain and have decided to terminate their pregnancy. Other average Americans know average Americans who have faced that choice. And none of them want that choice to be made by the government.


And many more women have had scary experiences with stillbirths that put their lives at risk and would much rather know and take action earlier to avoid those risks. Modern science is incredible and has saved so many lives. Republicans are so incredibly ignorant.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 10:03     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?


15 week polls well with average American. Republicans can cast pro choice as blood thirsty baby killers if they support abortion access after 15 weeks. Can also claim “state rights” by saying states still have the choice to lower week threshold, just not raise. Don’t agree, just heard that’s a possible spin on it.


But no - this doesn't guarantee the right up to 15 weeks, while prohibiting it outside of extraordinary circumstances after that. I could see that possibly, maybe being popular - if it were bipartisan. But this is just a straight ban, with no corresponding rights. That's not at all popular.


^ Or at least I haven't seen any indication that it's popular, and my gut tells me that it's a really bad move.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 10:02     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?


15 week polls well with average American. Republicans can cast pro choice as blood thirsty baby killers if they support abortion access after 15 weeks. Can also claim “state rights” by saying states still have the choice to lower week threshold, just not raise. Don’t agree, just heard that’s a possible spin on it.


But no - this doesn't guarantee the right up to 15 weeks, while prohibiting it outside of extraordinary circumstances after that. I could see that possibly, maybe being popular - if it were bipartisan. But this is just a straight ban, with no corresponding rights. That's not at all popular.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 10:02     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?


15 week polls well with average American. Republicans can cast pro choice as blood thirsty baby killers if they support abortion access after 15 weeks. Can also claim “state rights” by saying states still have the choice to lower week threshold, just not raise. Don’t agree, just heard that’s a possible spin on it.


Average Americans understand that women don't want to carry to term a pregnancy that results in a baby that is going to immediately die in great pain. Many average Americans have actually been placed in the situation of finding out their baby is going to die immediately upon birth in great pain and have decided to terminate their pregnancy. Other average Americans know average Americans who have faced that choice. And none of them want that choice to be made by the government.

If that is the case then a ban at 15 weeks is TOO EARLY. How would a pregnant person know their baby would die on birth? They wouldn't until AT LEAST 20 weeks, more like 24.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 10:00     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?


15 week polls well with average American. Republicans can cast pro-choice as blood thirsty baby killers if they support abortion access after 15 weeks. Can also claim “state rights” by saying states still have the choice to lower week threshold, just not raise. Don’t agree, just heard that’s a possible spin on it.


This argument may have been true pre-Roe falling, but not now. Squishy people would say they liked a 15-week ban to seem moderate. Now with Roe gone and the reality of what those bans mean, it's not supported but any majority. I can't figure out why some fairly savvy politicians (Stefanik), would go for this. Is someone giving them old (bad) data? Or, is it more sinister? Like they won't accept election results so who cares if they win.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 09:55     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?


15 week polls well with average American. Republicans can cast pro choice as blood thirsty baby killers if they support abortion access after 15 weeks. Can also claim “state rights” by saying states still have the choice to lower week threshold, just not raise. Don’t agree, just heard that’s a possible spin on it.


Average Americans understand that women don't want to carry to term a pregnancy that results in a baby that is going to immediately die in great pain. Many average Americans have actually been placed in the situation of finding out their baby is going to die immediately upon birth in great pain and have decided to terminate their pregnancy. Other average Americans know average Americans who have faced that choice. And none of them want that choice to be made by the government.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 09:50     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?


15 week polls well with average American. Republicans can cast pro choice as blood thirsty baby killers if they support abortion access after 15 weeks. Can also claim “state rights” by saying states still have the choice to lower week threshold, just not raise. Don’t agree, just heard that’s a possible spin on it.


They have been casting pro choice voters as baby killers for ever and yet a big majority of this country consistently dismisses such hysteria and remains solidly pro choice.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 09:50     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?


15 week polls well with average American. Republicans can cast pro choice as blood thirsty baby killers if they support abortion access after 15 weeks. Can also claim “state rights” by saying states still have the choice to lower week threshold, just not raise. Don’t agree, just heard that’s a possible spin on it.

Tapping the sign that’s on the first page again…
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 09:47     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?


15 week polls well with average American. Republicans can cast pro choice as blood thirsty baby killers if they support abortion access after 15 weeks. Can also claim “state rights” by saying states still have the choice to lower week threshold, just not raise. Don’t agree, just heard that’s a possible spin on it.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 09:42     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
So can anyone think through for me how this could possibly be good for Republicans? It seems like trouble all the way down - but is there something I am missing?

Is this supposed to energize forced birthers to get out to the polls -and if so why not make it a 6 week ban, or a zero week ban? What's the strategy?
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2022 09:29     Subject: Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:LG is many things, but not stupid or inexperienced. So he knew this would not be well received by his fellow politicians. Is it just an attention grabbing stunt? Change what everyone is talking about?

Probably in part. When was Donald on the golf course sans clubs again? And someone got the USSS texts from the day the GOP tried to overthrow the government yesterday (or that’s when it was announced anyway).

But really the utter contempt that the GOP has for women is on display here, distraction or no. They hate women. They’re coming for abortion, birth control, our ability to work outside the home, to have our own bank accounts, to travel freely… they want the 1800s.


The utter disdain for women and children is on full display here. Yesterday's Post's piece on Graham's legislation included this infuriating nugget: "Asked if his bill had exceptions for cases in which fetal abnormalities appear later in the pregnancy or if the child is stillborn, Graham said he did not know."

He doesn't know? It's his f-ing bill! The cruelty is indeed the point.


Exactly, doesn’t know, and doesn’t care. What a ghoul.