Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:42     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
It helps but it can also backfire or nit help as much as you imagined.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:41     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.


How old are your kids?


Grown and flown. We experienced both sides of the grass and strongly believe that with right amount of watering and fertilization, you can bloom wherever you are planted. People put too much emphasis on standard of schools.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:35     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
A good IQ student with an involved family can do good at any school but every setting would have a different set of pros and cons. Yes, collectively a good suburban school may do better as they have more of similar minded families but individually its a different story.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:32     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.


This is the most clueless delusional nonsense I’ve ever read. Just stop.

Students at urban schools get to deal with classmates who are disruptive and grade levels behind due to poverty, generational trauma and absentee parents. They get to deal with a lack of advanced classes and academic extracurricular offerings, poor college counseling and low expectations. They get to deal with violence and zero accountability.

Meanwhile, students at strong suburban schools have to deal with NONE of that, plus they can jump on the metro and visit any of the tourist attractions on your list that supposedly make urban schools so amazing.


Its a way of life and part of learning for good urban students, not a once every other month long haul trip from far flung suburb.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:30     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.


This is the most clueless delusional nonsense I’ve ever read. Just stop.

Students at urban schools get to deal with classmates who are disruptive and grade levels behind due to poverty, generational trauma and absentee parents. They get to deal with a lack of advanced classes and academic extracurricular offerings, poor college counseling and low expectations. They get to deal with violence and zero accountability.

Meanwhile, students at strong suburban schools have to deal with NONE of that, plus they can jump on the metro and visit any of the tourist attractions on your list that supposedly make urban schools so amazing.


You may want to talk to some MoCo, Fairfax, Loudon, etc. parents. The issues are the same in much larger systems. There is no utopia.



NP. Agree my friends with kids in HS in MoCo also complain. Also kids in DCPS can take advanced classes in MS and HS. Not all kids are disruptive and not all teachers have low expectations. I doubt you have kids in DCPS.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:29     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
We can argue advantages of top private schools vs urban public schools but not of large suburban schools.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:27     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.


Agree with all the intangibles but academics are still number one for us. Wouldn't sacrifice the for the intangibles.


You don't have to. Every urban district has some sort of AP/IB/advance/gifted program going on where academically inclined students have advantages of A school within a C school. Any involved family with resources can add tutoring and online classes to do as good or better than anyone in a large suburban school.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:24     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.


This is the most clueless delusional nonsense I’ve ever read. Just stop.

Students at urban schools get to deal with classmates who are disruptive and grade levels behind due to poverty, generational trauma and absentee parents. They get to deal with a lack of advanced classes and academic extracurricular offerings, poor college counseling and low expectations. They get to deal with violence and zero accountability.

Meanwhile, students at strong suburban schools have to deal with NONE of that, plus they can jump on the metro and visit any of the tourist attractions on your list that supposedly make urban schools so amazing.


+1 We've experienced all of that.
You may want to talk to some MoCo, Fairfax, Loudon, etc. parents. The issues are the same in much larger systems. There is no utopia.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:21     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.


This is the most clueless delusional nonsense I’ve ever read. Just stop.

Students at urban schools get to deal with classmates who are disruptive and grade levels behind due to poverty, generational trauma and absentee parents. They get to deal with a lack of advanced classes and academic extracurricular offerings, poor college counseling and low expectations. They get to deal with violence and zero accountability.

Meanwhile, students at strong suburban schools have to deal with NONE of that, plus they can jump on the metro and visit any of the tourist attractions on your list that supposedly make urban schools so amazing.


You may want to talk to some MoCo, Fairfax, Loudon, etc. parents. The issues are the same in much larger systems. There is no utopia.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:21     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.


How old are your kids?
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:18     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.


Agree with all the intangibles but academics are still number one for us. Wouldn't sacrifice the for the intangibles.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:17     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
Not all A+ students end up succeeding in real life nor all B- and C+ students end up failing in real life. You need a whole lot more to become successful than high school grades.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:10     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.


This is the most clueless delusional nonsense I’ve ever read. Just stop.

Students at urban schools get to deal with classmates who are disruptive and grade levels behind due to poverty, generational trauma and absentee parents. They get to deal with a lack of advanced classes and academic extracurricular offerings, poor college counseling and low expectations. They get to deal with violence and zero accountability.

Meanwhile, students at strong suburban schools have to deal with NONE of that, plus they can jump on the metro and visit any of the tourist attractions on your list that supposedly make urban schools so amazing.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:07     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a reason moving to suburban schools doesn't lead to desired college admissions results.


Do you want to compare the Ws or FCPS school outcomes to the outcomes from Eastern High? For families that can afford to be in bounds for Wilson (and who insist that Chevy Chase DC is not the suburbs while Chevy Chase MD is clearly the suburbs) DCPS works fine. For families that would be inbounds to any other high school, it's easier to move than hope for lottery luck


This argument makes no sense to me. If your child does well at their suburban school, they’d also probably do well, and most likely ranked even higher at Eastern.


Just curious, are you planning to send your child to Eastern?


I’m in the Coolidge feeder, but will be sending my kid there.


Your child who is … how old? Because we hear a lot of talk from parents about how they’re going to use their IB school and then the kids magically end up at BASIS, Latin, or a test in DCPS.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:07     Subject: DC White flight - what will it mean for education?
Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.