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Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
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NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.

Looked like a stop to me. What additional safety is gained by waiting four seconds?

I love crossing as a pedestrian when people "come to a stop" but are really just rolling at me as I cross.

Be happy with a ticket. If it was up to me...

Was there a pedestrian there at the time? Haven't seen the video. If there was, then the operator shoud definitely get a failure to yield ticket, which presumably costs more, and points. That's the type of infraction we need enforcement of. If there wasn't then I don't understand. It is safer to have a little momentum when turning into an intersection with oncoming traffic. Especially considering the rampant speeding.

Here a deal: no more tickets for rolling a stop sign when no one is around, but cameras on EVERY stop sign and crosswalk that give tickets every time when a pedestrian is around. Sound good?

I've got Elon Musk working on the algorithm, which will be ready by the time I'm mayor. Vote for me.

No, this doesn't sound good. Pedestrians are safer if drivers stop every time. You're trying to create a world where you only get a ticket if you actually endanger a person, but by relying on drivers to decide whether a person is likely to be around ad hoc. Drivers, particularly those who think "let's make a deal I break the law when I want and no harm no foul" is a good deal, are not good at risk assessment. Stop at stop signs. Even if you don't think there's a person nearby. Because that's the law.

Stop signs are the simplest part of driving. My three year old knows what they mean. The fact that so many people on this thread are flummoxed and then outraged by them makes me think that an IQ test should be part of the application to get a drivers license.

If a pedestrian is not around then it doesn't impact their safety whatsoever. The rule is simple, if a pedestrian is there then all non-pedestrians are supposed to yield. That is the law. The purpose of stop signs is to identify who has the right of way and who needs to yield.

Gor instance, I just saw a cyclist not only blow a stop sign but also turn left into the path of a car already stopped at a stop sign. This clear cut failure to yield was a major safety hazard and a blatant violation of both the spirit and letter of the law.

And no, your 3 year old does not know what a complete stop is. 99.9% of people do not come to a complete stop every single time, including yourself. I am far more concerned about people following the spirit of the law than the letter. There are a host of safety reasons, including visibility around bushes, why people do not always stop behind the line or come to a complete standstill 100% of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
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NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.

Looked like a stop to me. What additional safety is gained by waiting four seconds?

I love crossing as a pedestrian when people "come to a stop" but are really just rolling at me as I cross.

Be happy with a ticket. If it was up to me...

Was there a pedestrian there at the time? Haven't seen the video. If there was, then the operator shoud definitely get a failure to yield ticket, which presumably costs more, and points. That's the type of infraction we need enforcement of. If there wasn't then I don't understand. It is safer to have a little momentum when turning into an intersection with oncoming traffic. Especially considering the rampant speeding.

Here a deal: no more tickets for rolling a stop sign when no one is around, but cameras on EVERY stop sign and crosswalk that give tickets every time when a pedestrian is around. Sound good?

I've got Elon Musk working on the algorithm, which will be ready by the time I'm mayor. Vote for me.

No, this doesn't sound good. Pedestrians are safer if drivers stop every time. You're trying to create a world where you only get a ticket if you actually endanger a person, but by relying on drivers to decide whether a person is likely to be around ad hoc. Drivers, particularly those who think "let's make a deal I break the law when I want and no harm no foul" is a good deal, are not good at risk assessment. Stop at stop signs. Even if you don't think there's a person nearby. Because that's the law.

Stop signs are the simplest part of driving. My three year old knows what they mean. The fact that so many people on this thread are flummoxed and then outraged by them makes me think that an IQ test should be part of the application to get a drivers license.

If a pedestrian is not around then it doesn't impact their safety whatsoever. The rule is simple, if a pedestrian is there then all non-pedestrians are supposed to yield. That is the law. The purpose of stop signs is to identify who has the right of way and who needs to yield.

Gor instance, I just saw a cyclist not only blow a stop sign but also turn left into the path of a car already stopped at a stop sign. This clear cut failure to yield was a major safety hazard and a blatant violation of both the spirit and letter of the law.

And no, your 3 year old does not know what a complete stop is. 99.9% of people do not come to a complete stop every single time, including yourself. I am far more concerned about people following the spirit of the law than the letter. There are a host of safety reasons, including visibility around bushes, why people do not always stop behind the line or come to a complete standstill 100% of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
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NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.

Looked like a stop to me. What additional safety is gained by waiting four seconds?

I love crossing as a pedestrian when people "come to a stop" but are really just rolling at me as I cross.

Be happy with a ticket. If it was up to me...

Was there a pedestrian there at the time? Haven't seen the video. If there was, then the operator shoud definitely get a failure to yield ticket, which presumably costs more, and points. That's the type of infraction we need enforcement of. If there wasn't then I don't understand. It is safer to have a little momentum when turning into an intersection with oncoming traffic. Especially considering the rampant speeding.

Here a deal: no more tickets for rolling a stop sign when no one is around, but cameras on EVERY stop sign and crosswalk that give tickets every time when a pedestrian is around. Sound good?

I've got Elon Musk working on the algorithm, which will be ready by the time I'm mayor. Vote for me.

No, this doesn't sound good. Pedestrians are safer if drivers stop every time. You're trying to create a world where you only get a ticket if you actually endanger a person, but by relying on drivers to decide whether a person is likely to be around ad hoc. Drivers, particularly those who think "let's make a deal I break the law when I want and no harm no foul" is a good deal, are not good at risk assessment. Stop at stop signs. Even if you don't think there's a person nearby. Because that's the law.

Stop signs are the simplest part of driving. My three year old knows what they mean. The fact that so many people on this thread are flummoxed and then outraged by them makes me think that an IQ test should be part of the application to get a drivers license.

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Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
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NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.

Looked like a stop to me. What additional safety is gained by waiting four seconds?

I love crossing as a pedestrian when people "come to a stop" but are really just rolling at me as I cross.

Be happy with a ticket. If it was up to me...

Was there a pedestrian there at the time? Haven't seen the video. If there was, then the operator shoud definitely get a failure to yield ticket, which presumably costs more, and points. That's the type of infraction we need enforcement of. If there wasn't then I don't understand. It is safer to have a little momentum when turning into an intersection with oncoming traffic. Especially considering the rampant speeding.

Here a deal: no more tickets for rolling a stop sign when no one is around, but cameras on EVERY stop sign and crosswalk that give tickets every time when a pedestrian is around. Sound good?

I've got Elon Musk working on the algorithm, which will be ready by the time I'm mayor. Vote for me.

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Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
.

NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.

Looked like a stop to me. What additional safety is gained by waiting four seconds?

I love crossing as a pedestrian when people "come to a stop" but are really just rolling at me as I cross.

Be happy with a ticket. If it was up to me...

Was there a pedestrian there at the time? Haven't seen the video. If there was, then the operator shoud definitely get a failure to yield ticket, which presumably costs more, and points. That's the type of infraction we need enforcement of. If there wasn't then I don't understand. It is safer to have a little momentum when turning into an intersection with oncoming traffic. Especially considering the rampant speeding.

Here a deal: no more tickets for rolling a stop sign when no one is around, but cameras on EVERY stop sign and crosswalk that give tickets every time when a pedestrian is around. Sound good?

I've got Elon Musk working on the algorithm, which will be ready by the time I'm mayor. Vote for me.

Well then you'll be pleased to know that a simple proximity sensor is all that's needed to do that. The exact same sensor that's already being used in order to trigger the camera in the first place. Far less complicated than trying to determine whether something is or is not a complete stop.

It's time to catch all the failure to yield scofflows. We can then use facial recognition software to catch all the cyclists.

I agree with the PPP that the ideal would be a camera only activated when pedestrians are present. However, it's much harder to detect pedestrians than you think. That's why places have the 'beg button' that pedestrians have to push to cross some roads.

Separately, the city should enlarge the sidewalk on the South side of Whitehaven Parkway. Even as a very able individual that is an obstacle course. Either neckdown Whitehaven, which would reduce speeds, or eminent domain that hedge!

My cheap Wyze camera does a pretty good job of picking out a person. Like the current cameras, the automated system can generate suggestions for a real person to view the video and issue citations.

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Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
.

NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.

Looked like a stop to me. What additional safety is gained by waiting four seconds?

I love crossing as a pedestrian when people "come to a stop" but are really just rolling at me as I cross.

Be happy with a ticket. If it was up to me...

Was there a pedestrian there at the time? Haven't seen the video. If there was, then the operator shoud definitely get a failure to yield ticket, which presumably costs more, and points. That's the type of infraction we need enforcement of. If there wasn't then I don't understand. It is safer to have a little momentum when turning into an intersection with oncoming traffic. Especially considering the rampant speeding.

Here a deal: no more tickets for rolling a stop sign when no one is around, but cameras on EVERY stop sign and crosswalk that give tickets every time when a pedestrian is around. Sound good?

I've got Elon Musk working on the algorithm, which will be ready by the time I'm mayor. Vote for me.

Well then you'll be pleased to know that a simple proximity sensor is all that's needed to do that. The exact same sensor that's already being used in order to trigger the camera in the first place. Far less complicated than trying to determine whether something is or is not a complete stop.

It's time to catch all the failure to yield scofflows. We can then use facial recognition software to catch all the cyclists.

I agree with the PPP that the ideal would be a camera only activated when pedestrians are present. However, it's much harder to detect pedestrians than you think. That's why places have the 'beg button' that pedestrians have to push to cross some roads.

Separately, the city should enlarge the sidewalk on the South side of Whitehaven Parkway. Even as a very able individual that is an obstacle course. Either neckdown Whitehaven, which would reduce speeds, or eminent domain that hedge!

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Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
.

NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.

Looked like a stop to me. What additional safety is gained by waiting four seconds?

I love crossing as a pedestrian when people "come to a stop" but are really just rolling at me as I cross.

Be happy with a ticket. If it was up to me...

Was there a pedestrian there at the time? Haven't seen the video. If there was, then the operator shoud definitely get a failure to yield ticket, which presumably costs more, and points. That's the type of infraction we need enforcement of. If there wasn't then I don't understand. It is safer to have a little momentum when turning into an intersection with oncoming traffic. Especially considering the rampant speeding.

Here a deal: no more tickets for rolling a stop sign when no one is around, but cameras on EVERY stop sign and crosswalk that give tickets every time when a pedestrian is around. Sound good?

I've got Elon Musk working on the algorithm, which will be ready by the time I'm mayor. Vote for me.

Well then you'll be pleased to know that a simple proximity sensor is all that's needed to do that. The exact same sensor that's already being used in order to trigger the camera in the first place. Far less complicated than trying to determine whether something is or is not a complete stop.

It's time to catch all the failure to yield scofflows. We can then use facial recognition software to catch all the cyclists.

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Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
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NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.

Looked like a stop to me. What additional safety is gained by waiting four seconds?

I love crossing as a pedestrian when people "come to a stop" but are really just rolling at me as I cross.

Be happy with a ticket. If it was up to me...

Was there a pedestrian there at the time? Haven't seen the video. If there was, then the operator shoud definitely get a failure to yield ticket, which presumably costs more, and points. That's the type of infraction we need enforcement of. If there wasn't then I don't understand. It is safer to have a little momentum when turning into an intersection with oncoming traffic. Especially considering the rampant speeding.

Here a deal: no more tickets for rolling a stop sign when no one is around, but cameras on EVERY stop sign and crosswalk that give tickets every time when a pedestrian is around. Sound good?

I've got Elon Musk working on the algorithm, which will be ready by the time I'm mayor. Vote for me.

Well then you'll be pleased to know that a simple proximity sensor is all that's needed to do that. The exact same sensor that's already being used in order to trigger the camera in the first place. Far less complicated than trying to determine whether something is or is not a complete stop.

It's time to catch all the failure to yield scofflows. We can then use facial recognition software to catch all the cyclists.

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Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
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NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.

Looked like a stop to me. What additional safety is gained by waiting four seconds?

I love crossing as a pedestrian when people "come to a stop" but are really just rolling at me as I cross.

Be happy with a ticket. If it was up to me...

Was there a pedestrian there at the time? Haven't seen the video. If there was, then the operator shoud definitely get a failure to yield ticket, which presumably costs more, and points. That's the type of infraction we need enforcement of. If there wasn't then I don't understand. It is safer to have a little momentum when turning into an intersection with oncoming traffic. Especially considering the rampant speeding.

Here a deal: no more tickets for rolling a stop sign when no one is around, but cameras on EVERY stop sign and crosswalk that give tickets every time when a pedestrian is around. Sound good?

I've got Elon Musk working on the algorithm, which will be ready by the time I'm mayor. Vote for me.

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Anonymous wrote:I live near the Fessenden Street stop sign camera and enjoy sitting on my porch and guessing which cars will be getting tickets. The double flash tells me if I was right. People always complain about how many tickets these cameras issue, but I would say half the people who fail to make a proper stop aren't ticketed because they're going slow enough it doesn't trigger the camera.

Most people who DO make a complete stop and still get a ticket are the ones who come to a complete stop over the white stop line (most well into the pedestrian walkway). While that's plenty of room for a passing car to make it through the intersection safely, that's not enough for the pedestrian you didn't notice.

My advice if you don't want a ticket—approach stop signs slowly, make a complete stop before the "stop line", or avoid Fessenden. If this camera makes you do any or all over those, it's doing its job!

This is true. The camera works and I support it. It only triggers when someone is going 11 miles over the speed limit, which you shouldn't be doing anyways on a residential street. And I would bet that at least half of the drivers just took the illegal left hand turn onto Fessenden too.

Anonymous wrote:I live near the Fessenden Street stop sign camera and enjoy sitting on my porch and guessing which cars will be getting tickets. The double flash tells me if I was right. People always complain about how many tickets these cameras issue, but I would say half the people who fail to make a proper stop aren't ticketed because they're going slow enough it doesn't trigger the camera.

Most people who DO make a complete stop and still get a ticket are the ones who come to a complete stop over the white stop line (most well into the pedestrian walkway). While that's plenty of room for a passing car to make it through the intersection safely, that's not enough for the pedestrian you didn't notice.

My advice if you don't want a ticket—approach stop signs slowly, make a complete stop before the "stop line", or avoid Fessenden. If this camera makes you do any or all over those, it's doing its job!

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Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
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NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.

Looked like a stop to me. What additional safety is gained by waiting four seconds?

I love crossing as a pedestrian when people "come to a stop" but are really just rolling at me as I cross.

Be happy with a ticket. If it was up to me...

Was there a pedestrian there at the time? Haven't seen the video. If there was, then the operator shoud definitely get a failure to yield ticket, which presumably costs more, and points. That's the type of infraction we need enforcement of. If there wasn't then I don't understand. It is safer to have a little momentum when turning into an intersection with oncoming traffic. Especially considering the rampant speeding.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
.

NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.

Looked like a stop to me. What additional safety is gained by waiting four seconds?

I love crossing as a pedestrian when people "come to a stop" but are really just rolling at me as I cross.

Be happy with a ticket. If it was up to me...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
.

NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.

Looked like a stop to me. What additional safety is gained by waiting four seconds?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nextdoor had a whole thing on the Fessenden traffic light. People who have made complete stops and counted to three (or higher) have still received tickets. Contest it. There were multiple complaints about that one on Nextdoor.

People on that Nextdoor thread alleged that but of course you also need to completely stop behind the stop bar which is the other thing most drivers don't do (besides not stopping).

Here is the thing - if you got a stop sign citation there is an on-line video! That you can share and prove you were improperly cited.

The outraged guy who started the Nextdoor thread actually had the decency to share his video and guess what - he coasted right through the stop sign! He didn't even get close to the spirit of a legal stop to say nothing of the actual letter of the law.

There is a guy on that thread who has now posted 2 30-40 second videos he shot at 44th and Fessenden and in neither video does even a single driver make a legal stop and only a couple of drivers even come close.

The guy over in Crestwood who is outraged he got 3 citations at 17th and Blagden and has been bloviating on the Crestwood listserve for months also shared all 3 of his video citations and guess what - he also didn't come close to a legal stop! He doesn't even claim in interviews that he actually made legal stops just that it is outrageous and unfair that the law is being strictly enforced.

Here are the 3 videos:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTBMmn9jyBpnIIH2q5mi75UMuT11ast_/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NVt7GKwsF0A0T4-NlXsJBJ3LoLQHWGGA/view
.

NP here who doesn’t even live in that area, so please don’t attack me. What’s wrong with these stops? From this angle, it seems like the driver came to a complete stop, albeit a brief one.

No they didn't. They slowed to a crawl and then sped back up. A car coming to a complete stop, even a brief one, will rock backward when its forward momentum disappears.