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Anonymous wrote:UVAs waitlist is closed as of today.

Did UVA's ever even open this year?

We got an email from W&M a few days ago basically saying no waitlist movement this year.

The ONLY time I can see it as morally acceptable is if it's done way before May 1 (deadline for acceptances at most universities) and it's done at a school where an early deposit helps ensure better housing (or simply on campus housing freshman year at all). So unless you are accepted to several schools with this criteria (my 2 kids applied to 25 universities and only had 1 where this was the case), you can morally put the deposit down at one and then as soon as you decide where you will actually be attending (ie put the deposit at the other), then you pull your acceptance at first school. So really it's not a double deposit, because this would be done before May 1 deadline.

But really the need to secure better housing is the only ethical reason to do it that I can come up with. And any university that does this probably knows this happens, and also probably doesn't refund those deposits---all part of their game. And ethically, you are not going past the may 1 deadline with 2 acceptances, you'd pull one of them by May 1

**I really wish someone had told me this before my oldest went to college. He was accepted at an EA school that was probably his first choice, wanted to see if he got into his reach, so waited, didn't get in and finally accepted EA only to find out he got a shitty place in the housing preference list which we could have avoided with a $500 deposit. Now paying thousands extra in off campus housing even though he was admitted in early round. It is OK to do it in this sense and I will do so with my second kid if she gets the chance.

Anonymous wrote:This waitlist game needs to end. They put thousands of kids on the waitlist giving hope when it really doesn't exist. My kid was strung along all summer (until late August) by a school ultimately to say no room.

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Anonymous wrote:UVAs waitlist is closed as of today.

Did UVA's ever even open this year?

UVAs waitlist is closed as of today.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard waitlist movement yesterday!

Did your child get off the waitlist?

No a friend’s kid. Has until Monday to decide.

Anonymous wrote:Harvard waitlist movement yesterday!

Congrats!

Anonymous wrote:Harvard waitlist movement yesterday!

Did your child get off the waitlist?

Harvard waitlist movement yesterday!

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know of any movement on UVA?

The dean said no on tiktok.

Really? There’s been nothing on her blog or on Instagram

Dean J emphasized that you might as well move on. UVA is a small campus. They have very little room and even kids that get into IVY choose UVA instead. So there aren’t as many openings because there’s little growth at their school to expand. I would not count on it.

Then why bother putting people on the waitlist if she already knows they won't get off it? Why give false hope to people and then tell them to just ignore it and move on.

Because they don't really know until after May 1 if they will need to use the WL. If their yield calculation is too low, then they will pull. Without the WL they could end up without enough freshman. In the current climate, most people should assume the WL will not move anywhere, and get excited about their best choice. Then be pleasantly surprised if they do get off a WL

They always put way too many kids on the waitlist.

I agree. They do it because they can. There are kids who will commit elsewhere, as they must do and switch later. Some even in July/August at a late date. As long as people are willing to do that, colleges will keep long WL.
Much like many colleges will continue to market so they get 90K applications for 5K or less spots, so they can drive down their acceptance rates. As long as people pay and apply, they will "review" the apps and be excited about so many applications. It makes them look better. It's all a game

I think the increase in people sending deposits to two and three schools is making the schools hold onto those waitlists. They used to lose people to more selective schools going to the waitlists, but now they could lose people much later in the summer because someone wouldn't/couldn't make their decision by May 1.

People actually put deposits down at 2 schools? What a level of entitlement! I hope they get caught---as the contract your kid signs with the Common app has you agree not to do that. If any of the schools find out, they can kick the kid out and leave them with nowhere to attend.

Is this true? Can you point to a source? I know early decision is supposed to be binding but didn’t see anything about being prohibited from putting down a deposit on two schools. I agree it’s better to make a decision and pick one but could see situations where it may be warranted.

https://www.collegesolutions.com/blog-articles/can-you-double-deposit

Yes, it's in the fine print on the final screen of the Common Application. So if you violate that and get caught, every school could potentially pull your acceptance. I wish colleges would do that. It's an ethical violation for a reason.



And when exactly would it be warranted? I'm really curious the mental gymnastics that would get you to that position.
I'm guessing similar mental gymnastics as to why kids lie on their college applications?

Schools will never enforce that provision for the same reason they will never enforce ED provisions- in both cases the provisions are anti competive cartel behavior that are better off as an unchallenged threat than getting overturned in court.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know of any movement on UVA?

The dean said no on tiktok.

Really? There’s been nothing on her blog or on Instagram

Dean J emphasized that you might as well move on. UVA is a small campus. They have very little room and even kids that get into IVY choose UVA instead. So there aren’t as many openings because there’s little growth at their school to expand. I would not count on it.

Then why bother putting people on the waitlist if she already knows they won't get off it? Why give false hope to people and then tell them to just ignore it and move on.

Because they don't really know until after May 1 if they will need to use the WL. If their yield calculation is too low, then they will pull. Without the WL they could end up without enough freshman. In the current climate, most people should assume the WL will not move anywhere, and get excited about their best choice. Then be pleasantly surprised if they do get off a WL

They always put way too many kids on the waitlist.

I agree. They do it because they can. There are kids who will commit elsewhere, as they must do and switch later. Some even in July/August at a late date. As long as people are willing to do that, colleges will keep long WL.
Much like many colleges will continue to market so they get 90K applications for 5K or less spots, so they can drive down their acceptance rates. As long as people pay and apply, they will "review" the apps and be excited about so many applications. It makes them look better. It's all a game

I think the increase in people sending deposits to two and three schools is making the schools hold onto those waitlists. They used to lose people to more selective schools going to the waitlists, but now they could lose people much later in the summer because someone wouldn't/couldn't make their decision by May 1.

People actually put deposits down at 2 schools? What a level of entitlement! I hope they get caught---as the contract your kid signs with the Common app has you agree not to do that. If any of the schools find out, they can kick the kid out and leave them with nowhere to attend.

Is this true? Can you point to a source? I know early decision is supposed to be binding but didn’t see anything about being prohibited from putting down a deposit on two schools. I agree it’s better to make a decision and pick one but could see situations where it may be warranted.

https://www.collegesolutions.com/blog-articles/can-you-double-deposit

Yes, it's in the fine print on the final screen of the Common Application. So if you violate that and get caught, every school could potentially pull your acceptance. I wish colleges would do that. It's an ethical violation for a reason.



And when exactly would it be warranted? I'm really curious the mental gymnastics that would get you to that position.
I'm guessing similar mental gymnastics as to why kids lie on their college applications?

The ONLY time I can see it as morally acceptable is if it's done way before May 1 (deadline for acceptances at most universities) and it's done at a school where an early deposit helps ensure better housing (or simply on campus housing freshman year at all). So unless you are accepted to several schools with this criteria (my 2 kids applied to 25 universities and only had 1 where this was the case), you can morally put the deposit down at one and then as soon as you decide where you will actually be attending (ie put the deposit at the other), then you pull your acceptance at first school. So really it's not a double deposit, because this would be done before May 1 deadline.

But really the need to secure better housing is the only ethical reason to do it that I can come up with. And any university that does this probably knows this happens, and also probably doesn't refund those deposits---all part of their game. And ethically, you are not going past the may 1 deadline with 2 acceptances, you'd pull one of them by May 1

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know of any movement on UVA?

The dean said no on tiktok.

Really? There’s been nothing on her blog or on Instagram

Dean J emphasized that you might as well move on. UVA is a small campus. They have very little room and even kids that get into IVY choose UVA instead. So there aren’t as many openings because there’s little growth at their school to expand. I would not count on it.

Then why bother putting people on the waitlist if she already knows they won't get off it? Why give false hope to people and then tell them to just ignore it and move on.

Because they don't really know until after May 1 if they will need to use the WL. If their yield calculation is too low, then they will pull. Without the WL they could end up without enough freshman. In the current climate, most people should assume the WL will not move anywhere, and get excited about their best choice. Then be pleasantly surprised if they do get off a WL

They always put way too many kids on the waitlist.

I agree. They do it because they can. There are kids who will commit elsewhere, as they must do and switch later. Some even in July/August at a late date. As long as people are willing to do that, colleges will keep long WL.
Much like many colleges will continue to market so they get 90K applications for 5K or less spots, so they can drive down their acceptance rates. As long as people pay and apply, they will "review" the apps and be excited about so many applications. It makes them look better. It's all a game

I think the increase in people sending deposits to two and three schools is making the schools hold onto those waitlists. They used to lose people to more selective schools going to the waitlists, but now they could lose people much later in the summer because someone wouldn't/couldn't make their decision by May 1.

People actually put deposits down at 2 schools? What a level of entitlement! I hope they get caught---as the contract your kid signs with the Common app has you agree not to do that. If any of the schools find out, they can kick the kid out and leave them with nowhere to attend.

Is this true? Can you point to a source? I know early decision is supposed to be binding but didn’t see anything about being prohibited from putting down a deposit on two schools. I agree it’s better to make a decision and pick one but could see situations where it may be warranted.

https://www.collegesolutions.com/blog-articles/can-you-double-deposit

Yes, it's in the fine print on the final screen of the Common Application. So if you violate that and get caught, every school could potentially pull your acceptance. I wish colleges would do that. It's an ethical violation for a reason.



And when exactly would it be warranted? I'm really curious the mental gymnastics that would get you to that position.
I'm guessing similar mental gymnastics as to why kids lie on their college applications?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know of any movement on UVA?

The dean said no on tiktok.

Really? There’s been nothing on her blog or on Instagram

Dean J emphasized that you might as well move on. UVA is a small campus. They have very little room and even kids that get into IVY choose UVA instead. So there aren’t as many openings because there’s little growth at their school to expand. I would not count on it.

Then why bother putting people on the waitlist if she already knows they won't get off it? Why give false hope to people and then tell them to just ignore it and move on.

Because they don't really know until after May 1 if they will need to use the WL. If their yield calculation is too low, then they will pull. Without the WL they could end up without enough freshman. In the current climate, most people should assume the WL will not move anywhere, and get excited about their best choice. Then be pleasantly surprised if they do get off a WL

They always put way too many kids on the waitlist.

I agree. They do it because they can. There are kids who will commit elsewhere, as they must do and switch later. Some even in July/August at a late date. As long as people are willing to do that, colleges will keep long WL.
Much like many colleges will continue to market so they get 90K applications for 5K or less spots, so they can drive down their acceptance rates. As long as people pay and apply, they will "review" the apps and be excited about so many applications. It makes them look better. It's all a game

I think the increase in people sending deposits to two and three schools is making the schools hold onto those waitlists. They used to lose people to more selective schools going to the waitlists, but now they could lose people much later in the summer because someone wouldn't/couldn't make their decision by May 1.

People actually put deposits down at 2 schools? What a level of entitlement! I hope they get caught---as the contract your kid signs with the Common app has you agree not to do that. If any of the schools find out, they can kick the kid out and leave them with nowhere to attend.

Is this true? Can you point to a source? I know early decision is supposed to be binding but didn’t see anything about being prohibited from putting down a deposit on two schools. I agree it’s better to make a decision and pick one but could see situations where it may be warranted.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know of any movement on UVA?

The dean said no on tiktok.

Really? There’s been nothing on her blog or on Instagram

Dean J emphasized that you might as well move on. UVA is a small campus. They have very little room and even kids that get into IVY choose UVA instead. So there aren’t as many openings because there’s little growth at their school to expand. I would not count on it.

Then why bother putting people on the waitlist if she already knows they won't get off it? Why give false hope to people and then tell them to just ignore it and move on.

Because they don't really know until after May 1 if they will need to use the WL. If their yield calculation is too low, then they will pull. Without the WL they could end up without enough freshman. In the current climate, most people should assume the WL will not move anywhere, and get excited about their best choice. Then be pleasantly surprised if they do get off a WL

They always put way too many kids on the waitlist.

I agree. They do it because they can. There are kids who will commit elsewhere, as they must do and switch later. Some even in July/August at a late date. As long as people are willing to do that, colleges will keep long WL.
Much like many colleges will continue to market so they get 90K applications for 5K or less spots, so they can drive down their acceptance rates. As long as people pay and apply, they will "review" the apps and be excited about so many applications. It makes them look better. It's all a game

I think the increase in people sending deposits to two and three schools is making the schools hold onto those waitlists. They used to lose people to more selective schools going to the waitlists, but now they could lose people much later in the summer because someone wouldn't/couldn't make their decision by May 1.

People actually put deposits down at 2 schools? What a level of entitlement! I hope they get caught---as the contract your kid signs with the Common app has you agree not to do that. If any of the schools find out, they can kick the kid out and leave them with nowhere to attend.

Anonymous wrote:This waitlist game needs to end. They put thousands of kids on the waitlist giving hope when it really doesn't exist. My kid was strung along all summer (until late August) by a school ultimately to say no room.

Well, schools need the WL because applicants are playing the multiple deposit game or just will not attend because something comes up in their life. As a parent, you just need to help your kid not be "strung along" by framing it as not a real option or decide not to play by not accepting the WL spot.