Anonymous wrote:Joe Rogan Apologizes, Spotify Publishes Content Policy in Response to Neil Young Outcry
Podcaster said he aims to be more balanced; Streaming giant creates Covid-19 information hub
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/spotify-publishes-content-policy-covid-19-hub-in-response-to-joe-rogan-controversy-11643572945

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Anonymous wrote:Joe rogan is not an anti vaxxer. Do you even listen or just believe what CNN tellers you?

I believe what 270 doctors have said.

270? One could probably find 270 doctors to back just about anything.

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Anonymous wrote:I genuinely don't understand the conservatives who are unhappy about cancel Spotify. Aren't you in favor of capitalism? Isn't this just capitalism at work? Like the Dixie Chicks example someone used above?

The government isn't involved. There is no censorship. It's the private market in action. Isn't that a good thing?

Of course it's ok. But these artists are just conveniently in line with current politics and getting immediate positive attention and whatever comes with it. It's not like Joan Mitchell is doing something risqué and losing tons of money for canceling Spotify.

I hope Spotify responds calmly, like Trader Joe, when there was a social pressure to change the names of their product to fit current woke nonsense agenda. I can't despise anti-vaxxers more, but I really hate the idea that people are not able to think for themselves and Neil Young protecting me from "the lies" on Spotify.

But why can’t Neil Young decide he doesn’t want to share a platform with an antivaxxer and exercise his right to control the intellectual property he owns? Why are conservatives so opposed to somebody exercising their own rights in their own intellectual property? That is what I do not get about the conservative position about this. It seems exactly the opposite of support for the free market, personal choice, and capitalism.

this is not conservatism, it's libertarianism. sometimes, they go together, sometimes not.

I am not a conservative nor a liberatarian but I will explain why some people are against this.

There is nuance that many people have a hard time understanding. I agree that it is Neil’s choice to remove his music from the platform. It is 100% his right. However, I disagree that that it is the right decision to attempt to deplatform those with unpopular views, which is what people like Neil are trying to pressure Spotify to do. Now, again, Spotify 100% has the right to remove Neil or Joe. However, while I agree it is the their right to do so, my opinion is that it is not the right decision for large open platforms to ban users for unpopular views. As another poster commented, it is alarming that so many people are unwilling and unable to engage with those who they disagree with and prefer to silence them instead.

Okay, but then what do you want someone like Neil Young to do? Is he supposed to allow use of his intellectual property against his choice by a platform that he views as harmful?

I don't understand why supposed conservatives want to control Young's use of his own intellectual property. It seems very hypocritical.

Neil Young can do whatever he wants. Just like country music stations can do whatever they want. Neil could have just removed his music, but he didn't do that did he. He started a campaign to remove Joe Rogan, demanding that Spotify remove him. I don't listen to Joe Rogan but googling shows that he tells his audience that he is not a doctor and they should not consult his show for medical advice. You can't stop people from making foolish decisions and you can't stop people from having opinions which are different than yours, and you cant force people to acknowledge facts. Banning them only isolates them further.

Do you think Neil Young should be forced to keep his music on Spotify or not?

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Anonymous wrote:Joe rogan is not an anti vaxxer. Do you even listen or just believe what CNN tellers you?

I believe what 270 doctors have said.

Anonymous wrote:You all are children. You think people aren’t able to speak or think for themselves and don’t believe in freedom of speech or thought. You’re just making the divide in our country worse.

Anonymous wrote:Neil Young did not stand for anything, it is a baseless stand. He moved his music to Amazon a corporation that exploits its employees for profit. None of this sounds heroic. It was more like a corporate chess move. It is however creating chaos between you and I. That's the real reason this is happening. I stand with unity and love

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Anonymous wrote:I genuinely don't understand the conservatives who are unhappy about cancel Spotify. Aren't you in favor of capitalism? Isn't this just capitalism at work? Like the Dixie Chicks example someone used above?

The government isn't involved. There is no censorship. It's the private market in action. Isn't that a good thing?

Of course it's ok. But these artists are just conveniently in line with current politics and getting immediate positive attention and whatever comes with it. It's not like Joan Mitchell is doing something risqué and losing tons of money for canceling Spotify.

I hope Spotify responds calmly, like Trader Joe, when there was a social pressure to change the names of their product to fit current woke nonsense agenda. I can't despise anti-vaxxers more, but I really hate the idea that people are not able to think for themselves and Neil Young protecting me from "the lies" on Spotify.

But why can’t Neil Young decide he doesn’t want to share a platform with an antivaxxer and exercise his right to control the intellectual property he owns? Why are conservatives so opposed to somebody exercising their own rights in their own intellectual property? That is what I do not get about the conservative position about this. It seems exactly the opposite of support for the free market, personal choice, and capitalism.

this is not conservatism, it's libertarianism. sometimes, they go together, sometimes not.

I am not a conservative nor a liberatarian but I will explain why some people are against this.

There is nuance that many people have a hard time understanding. I agree that it is Neil’s choice to remove his music from the platform. It is 100% his right. However, I disagree that that it is the right decision to attempt to deplatform those with unpopular views, which is what people like Neil are trying to pressure Spotify to do. Now, again, Spotify 100% has the right to remove Neil or Joe. However, while I agree it is the their right to do so, my opinion is that it is not the right decision for large open platforms to ban users for unpopular views. As another poster commented, it is alarming that so many people are unwilling and unable to engage with those who they disagree with and prefer to silence them instead.

Okay, but then what do you want someone like Neil Young to do? Is he supposed to allow use of his intellectual property against his choice by a platform that he views as harmful?

I don't understand why supposed conservatives want to control Young's use of his own intellectual property. It seems very hypocritical.

Neil Young can do whatever he wants. Just like country music stations can do whatever they want. Neil could have just removed his music, but he didn't do that did he. He started a campaign to remove Joe Rogan, demanding that Spotify remove him. I don't listen to Joe Rogan but googling shows that he tells his audience that he is not a doctor and they should not consult his show for medical advice. You can't stop people from making foolish decisions and you can't stop people from having opinions which are different than yours, and you cant force people to acknowledge facts. Banning them only isolates them further.

Do you think Neil Young should be forced to keep his music on Spotify or not?

Of course not.

Okay, then you should have no issue here. The free market is at work.

I strongly believed in the right of radio stations to ditch the Dixie Chicks, back in the day, FWIW. The free marketplace should function privately.

Thank you for telling me how I should feel

No where did my comments say anything about how free marketplace should not function privately. I literally said that spotify has the right to cancel Joe Rogan, Neil Young, or anyone else. Please consider reading what I commented before pouncing to post your econ 101 notes on free markets.

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Anonymous wrote:I genuinely don't understand the conservatives who are unhappy about cancel Spotify. Aren't you in favor of capitalism? Isn't this just capitalism at work? Like the Dixie Chicks example someone used above?

The government isn't involved. There is no censorship. It's the private market in action. Isn't that a good thing?

Of course it's ok. But these artists are just conveniently in line with current politics and getting immediate positive attention and whatever comes with it. It's not like Joan Mitchell is doing something risqué and losing tons of money for canceling Spotify.

I hope Spotify responds calmly, like Trader Joe, when there was a social pressure to change the names of their product to fit current woke nonsense agenda. I can't despise anti-vaxxers more, but I really hate the idea that people are not able to think for themselves and Neil Young protecting me from "the lies" on Spotify.

But why can’t Neil Young decide he doesn’t want to share a platform with an antivaxxer and exercise his right to control the intellectual property he owns? Why are conservatives so opposed to somebody exercising their own rights in their own intellectual property? That is what I do not get about the conservative position about this. It seems exactly the opposite of support for the free market, personal choice, and capitalism.

this is not conservatism, it's libertarianism. sometimes, they go together, sometimes not.

I am not a conservative nor a liberatarian but I will explain why some people are against this.

There is nuance that many people have a hard time understanding. I agree that it is Neil’s choice to remove his music from the platform. It is 100% his right. However, I disagree that that it is the right decision to attempt to deplatform those with unpopular views, which is what people like Neil are trying to pressure Spotify to do. Now, again, Spotify 100% has the right to remove Neil or Joe. However, while I agree it is the their right to do so, my opinion is that it is not the right decision for large open platforms to ban users for unpopular views. As another poster commented, it is alarming that so many people are unwilling and unable to engage with those who they disagree with and prefer to silence them instead.

Okay, but then what do you want someone like Neil Young to do? Is he supposed to allow use of his intellectual property against his choice by a platform that he views as harmful?

I don't understand why supposed conservatives want to control Young's use of his own intellectual property. It seems very hypocritical.

Neil Young can do whatever he wants. Just like country music stations can do whatever they want. Neil could have just removed his music, but he didn't do that did he. He started a campaign to remove Joe Rogan, demanding that Spotify remove him. I don't listen to Joe Rogan but googling shows that he tells his audience that he is not a doctor and they should not consult his show for medical advice. You can't stop people from making foolish decisions and you can't stop people from having opinions which are different than yours, and you cant force people to acknowledge facts. Banning them only isolates them further.

Do you think Neil Young should be forced to keep his music on Spotify or not?

Of course not.

Okay, then you should have no issue here. The free market is at work.

I strongly believed in the right of radio stations to ditch the Dixie Chicks, back in the day, FWIW. The free marketplace should function privately.

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Anonymous wrote:I genuinely don't understand the conservatives who are unhappy about cancel Spotify. Aren't you in favor of capitalism? Isn't this just capitalism at work? Like the Dixie Chicks example someone used above?

The government isn't involved. There is no censorship. It's the private market in action. Isn't that a good thing?

Of course it's ok. But these artists are just conveniently in line with current politics and getting immediate positive attention and whatever comes with it. It's not like Joan Mitchell is doing something risqué and losing tons of money for canceling Spotify.

I hope Spotify responds calmly, like Trader Joe, when there was a social pressure to change the names of their product to fit current woke nonsense agenda. I can't despise anti-vaxxers more, but I really hate the idea that people are not able to think for themselves and Neil Young protecting me from "the lies" on Spotify.

But why can’t Neil Young decide he doesn’t want to share a platform with an antivaxxer and exercise his right to control the intellectual property he owns? Why are conservatives so opposed to somebody exercising their own rights in their own intellectual property? That is what I do not get about the conservative position about this. It seems exactly the opposite of support for the free market, personal choice, and capitalism.

this is not conservatism, it's libertarianism. sometimes, they go together, sometimes not.

I am not a conservative nor a liberatarian but I will explain why some people are against this.

There is nuance that many people have a hard time understanding. I agree that it is Neil’s choice to remove his music from the platform. It is 100% his right. However, I disagree that that it is the right decision to attempt to deplatform those with unpopular views, which is what people like Neil are trying to pressure Spotify to do. Now, again, Spotify 100% has the right to remove Neil or Joe. However, while I agree it is the their right to do so, my opinion is that it is not the right decision for large open platforms to ban users for unpopular views. As another poster commented, it is alarming that so many people are unwilling and unable to engage with those who they disagree with and prefer to silence them instead.

Okay, but then what do you want someone like Neil Young to do? Is he supposed to allow use of his intellectual property against his choice by a platform that he views as harmful?

I don't understand why supposed conservatives want to control Young's use of his own intellectual property. It seems very hypocritical.

Neil Young can do whatever he wants. Just like country music stations can do whatever they want. Neil could have just removed his music, but he didn't do that did he. He started a campaign to remove Joe Rogan, demanding that Spotify remove him. I don't listen to Joe Rogan but googling shows that he tells his audience that he is not a doctor and they should not consult his show for medical advice. You can't stop people from making foolish decisions and you can't stop people from having opinions which are different than yours, and you cant force people to acknowledge facts. Banning them only isolates them further.

Do you think Neil Young should be forced to keep his music on Spotify or not?

Of course not.