Anonymous wrote:This thread, lord.

OP: I don’t like LMM’s music. Anyone else?
LMM Stans: YOU ARE AN IDIOT. HE IS A GENIUS. I REJECT PREMISE OF THREAD.
Some Posters: Oh, it’s not my thing either. Agree, don’t get the hype.
LMM Stans: THOU ART A TRAMP. THE GENTLEMAN IS A PHENOM. I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL!!!!

Just delightful. Shine on, you crazy ass diamonds.

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Your own, as you put it above, "biased! subjective!" opinions, are fine. Including the opinion that you dislike a public person or that person's creative work. But you are very invested in arguing with those who like Miranda and his work, when you surely see you won't change any minds, so it's arguing for arguing's sake. Unless you personally deal with a raving Miranda fan in your real life--being so invested in disliking both him and his fans seems like a big waste of your energy.

The world is full of negativity. What is your positive take on something else for people to enjoy?

DP. But isn't that DCUM's bread and butter?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, it appears that for many: no, you absolutely canNOT talk about disliking LMM’s music, feeling like it all sounds the same or is overly shouty, and you certainly cannot discuss being annoyed by his public persona or finding him cringe. Someone who has known him since he was 5* will come and tell you that your natural reaction is incorrect.

Even in a thread that was created for people to discuss disliking LMM, you are not allowed to talk about disliking LMM. We Don’t Talk About [not liking] Bruno-no-no.

*I do not believe this person knows LMM, I think it’s one of his many obsessive fan girls defending him using extensive, and creepy, knowledge of his biography. This is not how people actually talk about childhood friends who they know well. All people are more complex than what gets presented in a public image and anyone who has known LMM a long time would have a more nuanced take than “OMG he’s always been the sweetest, he loves his wife so much, these are the names of his teachers at his performing arts high school, he will never be me tooed.” Even if those things are true! That’s just… not real.

I am the PP and I'm sorry you don't believe me, but that's fine. Lin isn't a good childhood friend of mine or someone I know very well, and I didn't mean to present it as such. He's a friendly acquaintance who I went to school with for 12 years -- during which we sang in a couple of choruses together -- and have crossed paths with consistently in the years since, because we have one good mutual friend (as do his wife and I; I was in the year between them in school). We also didn't go to a performing arts HS.

Then you can't possibly know if his public persona is real or not. Either you know him very well and can vouch for him or you're an acquaintance and can't. You are telling people they aren't allowed to say they find his public persona fake because you find it genuine. But that's not how it works. You buy his schtick, some people don't. The fact that you've crossed paths with him in life does not actually give you much insight. I've crossed paths with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama numerous times over the last two decades. I would never claim to know whether their public face was a true one or not. As a general rule, having met a lot of famous people, I assume virtually all of them are putting up a front. I personally find LMM's front more grating than most (the lip biting just drives me up the wall, and he has some very affected speech patterns that irritate me).

It's fine that people like him. Some people don't. This thread was started to find those people. I'm one of them! I find it extra annoying that it's filled with people telling us that our (biased! subjective!) opinions are incorrect because they don't align with theirs. Which reminds me: one of the things that grates on me about LMM is how his adult fans are like children -- they can't bear to hear a negative word said about him. It's exhausting. And you don't have to have been an acquaintance of someone "since I was 5" to see that.

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Your own, as you put it above, "biased! subjective!" opinions, are fine. Including the opinion that you dislike a public person or that person's creative work. But you are very invested in arguing with those who like Miranda and his work, when you surely see you won't change any minds, so it's arguing for arguing's sake. Unless you personally deal with a raving Miranda fan in your real life--being so invested in disliking both him and his fans seems like a big waste of your energy.

The world is full of negativity. What is your positive take on something else for people to enjoy?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, it appears that for many: no, you absolutely canNOT talk about disliking LMM’s music, feeling like it all sounds the same or is overly shouty, and you certainly cannot discuss being annoyed by his public persona or finding him cringe. Someone who has known him since he was 5* will come and tell you that your natural reaction is incorrect.

Even in a thread that was created for people to discuss disliking LMM, you are not allowed to talk about disliking LMM. We Don’t Talk About [not liking] Bruno-no-no.

*I do not believe this person knows LMM, I think it’s one of his many obsessive fan girls defending him using extensive, and creepy, knowledge of his biography. This is not how people actually talk about childhood friends who they know well. All people are more complex than what gets presented in a public image and anyone who has known LMM a long time would have a more nuanced take than “OMG he’s always been the sweetest, he loves his wife so much, these are the names of his teachers at his performing arts high school, he will never be me tooed.” Even if those things are true! That’s just… not real.

I am the PP and I'm sorry you don't believe me, but that's fine. Lin isn't a good childhood friend of mine or someone I know very well, and I didn't mean to present it as such. He's a friendly acquaintance who I went to school with for 12 years -- during which we sang in a couple of choruses together -- and have crossed paths with consistently in the years since, because we have one good mutual friend (as do his wife and I; I was in the year between them in school). We also didn't go to a performing arts HS.

Then you can't possibly know if his public persona is real or not. Either you know him very well and can vouch for him or you're an acquaintance and can't. You are telling people they aren't allowed to say they find his public persona fake because you find it genuine. But that's not how it works. You buy his schtick, some people don't. The fact that you've crossed paths with him in life does not actually give you much insight. I've crossed paths with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama numerous times over the last two decades. I would never claim to know whether their public face was a true one or not. As a general rule, having met a lot of famous people, I assume virtually all of them are putting up a front. I personally find LMM's front more grating than most (the lip biting just drives me up the wall, and he has some very affected speech patterns that irritate me).

It's fine that people like him. Some people don't. This thread was started to find those people. I'm one of them! I find it extra annoying that it's filled with people telling us that our (biased! subjective!) opinions are incorrect because they don't align with theirs. Which reminds me: one of the things that grates on me about LMM is how his adult fans are like children -- they can't bear to hear a negative word said about him. It's exhausting. And you don't have to have been an acquaintance of someone "since I was 5" to see that.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, it appears that for many: no, you absolutely canNOT talk about disliking LMM’s music, feeling like it all sounds the same or is overly shouty, and you certainly cannot discuss being annoyed by his public persona or finding him cringe. Someone who has known him since he was 5* will come and tell you that your natural reaction is incorrect.

Even in a thread that was created for people to discuss disliking LMM, you are not allowed to talk about disliking LMM. We Don’t Talk About [not liking] Bruno-no-no.

*I do not believe this person knows LMM, I think it’s one of his many obsessive fan girls defending him using extensive, and creepy, knowledge of his biography. This is not how people actually talk about childhood friends who they know well. All people are more complex than what gets presented in a public image and anyone who has known LMM a long time would have a more nuanced take than “OMG he’s always been the sweetest, he loves his wife so much, these are the names of his teachers at his performing arts high school, he will never be me tooed.” Even if those things are true! That’s just… not real.

I am the PP and I'm sorry you don't believe me, but that's fine. Lin isn't a good childhood friend of mine or someone I know very well, and I didn't mean to present it as such. He's a friendly acquaintance who I went to school with for 12 years -- during which we sang in a couple of choruses together -- and have crossed paths with consistently in the years since, because we have one good mutual friend (as do his wife and I; I was in the year between them in school). We also didn't go to a performing arts HS.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people who say Encanto/Bruno are "boring" or "not memorable" and compare them negatively to other Disney musicals just haven't listened enough. It does actually take a few listens to start liking a song! This is true for basically all songs, they need to grow on you.

Yes, the hallmark of a truly wonderful song is that you have to keep listening to it to convince yourself it's good.

Anonymous wrote:I feel like a lot of people who say Encanto/Bruno are "boring" or "not memorable" and compare them negatively to other Disney musicals just haven't listened enough. It does actually take a few listens to start liking a song! This is true for basically all songs, they need to grow on you.

Anonymous wrote:Well, it appears that for many: no, you absolutely canNOT talk about disliking LMM’s music, feeling like it all sounds the same or is overly shouty, and you certainly cannot discuss being annoyed by his public persona or finding him cringe. Someone who has known him since he was 5* will come and tell you that your natural reaction is incorrect.

Even in a thread that was created for people to discuss disliking LMM, you are not allowed to talk about disliking LMM. We Don’t Talk About [not liking] Bruno-no-no.

*I do not believe this person knows LMM, I think it’s one of his many obsessive fan girls defending him using extensive, and creepy, knowledge of his biography. This is not how people actually talk about childhood friends who they know well. All people are more complex than what gets presented in a public image and anyone who has known LMM a long time would have a more nuanced take than “OMG he’s always been the sweetest, he loves his wife so much, these are the names of his teachers at his performing arts high school, he will never be me tooed.” Even if those things are true! That’s just… not real.