Anonymous
01/20/2022 05:46
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:If your MIL is too lazy to get an ID, she doesn’t need to vote. JFC. Voting is a privilege. Make some effort you lazy bums.
I’ll tell her to stop being lazy and wheel herself, with the one hand that works, down to the DMV, even though she doesn’t have the documentation to get an ID in VA. That’ll show her!
Anonymous
01/20/2022 00:42
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:If your MIL is too lazy to get an ID, she doesn’t need to vote. JFC. Voting is a privilege. Make some effort you lazy bums.
Is this a troll post? If not, it’s a pretty mind blowing misapprehension.
Anonymous
01/20/2022 00:25
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
If your MIL is too lazy to get an ID, she doesn’t need to vote. JFC. Voting is a privilege. Make some effort you lazy bums.
Anonymous
01/19/2022 23:32
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This will keep my disabled MIL from voting. She has a Maryland ID, but her naturalization paperwork has her name from 4 husbands ago, so she can’t get a picture ID here. I guess we will start the very long process of sending all of the marriage and death certificates to the state department.
Why didn't you do this all along?
Ding ding ding. You'd think that would be the obvious thing to do, wouldn't you? The excuses are just... mind-numbing.
DP
Maybe because it costs $555 and is a PITA?
I just looked this up. It costs $41 to change your name in VA. Any more excuses?
http://webdev.courts.state.va.us/cgi-bin/DJIT/ef_djs_ccfees_calc.cgi#ID_CALC_FRM
PP was talking about updating naturalization documents.
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/n-565instr.pdf
It sounds like the MIL is *already* naturalized. Seems she has needed to change her name for some time, however (four husbands ago??).
The point is there are a variety of scenarios where someone may be a registered voter but not have a valid photo ID.
It’s an added burden that is trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist.
I completely disagree. This is not a problem for the vast majority of people. At all. And most Americans agree with that.
Majorities of whites (74%), blacks (69%) and other minorities (82%) say voters should be required to show photo identification before being allowed to vote.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/march_2021/75_support_voter_id_laws
Anonymous
01/19/2022 22:05
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This will keep my disabled MIL from voting. She has a Maryland ID, but her naturalization paperwork has her name from 4 husbands ago, so she can’t get a picture ID here. I guess we will start the very long process of sending all of the marriage and death certificates to the state department.
Why didn't you do this all along?
Ding ding ding. You'd think that would be the obvious thing to do, wouldn't you? The excuses are just... mind-numbing.
DP
Maybe because it costs $555 and is a PITA?
I just looked this up. It costs $41 to change your name in VA. Any more excuses?
http://webdev.courts.state.va.us/cgi-bin/DJIT/ef_djs_ccfees_calc.cgi#ID_CALC_FRM
PP was talking about updating naturalization documents.
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/n-565instr.pdf
It sounds like the MIL is *already* naturalized. Seems she has needed to change her name for some time, however (four husbands ago??).
The point is there are a variety of scenarios where someone may be a registered voter but not have a valid photo ID.
It’s an added burden that is trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist.
Anonymous
01/19/2022 21:59
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This will keep my disabled MIL from voting. She has a Maryland ID, but her naturalization paperwork has her name from 4 husbands ago, so she can’t get a picture ID here. I guess we will start the very long process of sending all of the marriage and death certificates to the state department.
Why didn't you do this all along?
Ding ding ding. You'd think that would be the obvious thing to do, wouldn't you? The excuses are just... mind-numbing.
DP
Maybe because it costs $555 and is a PITA?
I just looked this up. It costs $41 to change your name in VA. Any more excuses?
http://webdev.courts.state.va.us/cgi-bin/DJIT/ef_djs_ccfees_calc.cgi#ID_CALC_FRM
PP was talking about updating naturalization documents.
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/n-565instr.pdf
It sounds like the MIL is *already* naturalized. Seems she has needed to change her name for some time, however (four husbands ago??).
This is simply not the concern of 99.9% of people.
Anonymous
01/19/2022 21:09
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This will keep my disabled MIL from voting. She has a Maryland ID, but her naturalization paperwork has her name from 4 husbands ago, so she can’t get a picture ID here. I guess we will start the very long process of sending all of the marriage and death certificates to the state department.
Why didn't you do this all along?
Ding ding ding. You'd think that would be the obvious thing to do, wouldn't you? The excuses are just... mind-numbing.
DP
Maybe because it costs $555 and is a PITA?
I just looked this up. It costs $41 to change your name in VA. Any more excuses?
http://webdev.courts.state.va.us/cgi-bin/DJIT/ef_djs_ccfees_calc.cgi#ID_CALC_FRM
PP was talking about updating naturalization documents.
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/n-565instr.pdf
Anonymous
01/19/2022 21:05
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We've literally had 250+ years of elections without voter ID cards. Your signature was always your voter ID.
There's no rational reason to change the rules now. Those pushing the change just want to make another barrier to voting.
What signature is being matched?
Serious question: Have you seriously never voted in-person? Are you even an American?
You sign your name and the poll worker compares your physical signature with the one you gave when you registered to vote.
DP. I'm just going to say it: BULLSHIT. I don't know where you vote, but in VA, you do not sign anything unless you have no ID. Those of us with ID simply present it to the poll worker, they look us up on their register, mark us off, and return our ID to us. You harping on some fictional signature is just making you look like a moron.
The FBI trains people for years to discern my handwriting vs. someone else, but the volunteer poll works across the country compare signature to authorize people to vote??? I have hear it all not. I have voted every year for 20+ years and have never had my signature compared.
Anonymous
01/19/2022 21:01
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am FOR enabling everyone to vote; but not requiring a photo id is insane. What would prevent a random person from voting over and over again through the day? Also just about everything else requires a photo id and you are good with those things. Here are examples of things that require a photo id:
cities such as NYC and DC require a photo id along with a vaccine card to enter a restaurant.
board an airplane
adopt a pet
apply for a fishing license
But how dare we ask for a ID to vote??? Really??? Would you let someone without a verified identity into your child's school? But it is OK for someone without a verified identity to help elect the leader of the free world???? huh???
Duh... do you not know how voting works?
A -- you are checked in. You have to SIGN your name, which is matched to what they have on file.
Then you are given a ballot. You vote. Your vote is recorded, and the fact that YOU voted is recorded. Other ballots under your name are not counted.
https://www.ncsl.org/blog/2020/09/04/double-trouble-how-states-keep-people-from-voting-twice.aspx
More details.
We can provide generalities, though. In general, the reason it is hard to vote twice in the same state for the same election is that states keep a record of who has voted. The first ballot that is recorded from a given voter gets counted and that precludes them from voting again.
Let’s say someone drops off or otherwise returns an absentee ballot. Once the voter’s information on the outside of the absentee ballot envelope is verified, it is standard practice to mark the voter’s registration file with the fact that that person has voted.
If that person then shows up at the polls, the poll book will show that she or he already voted absentee. If the voter insists on voting in person, a provisional ballot will likely be used, which is put in an envelope with the voter’s information on the outside. After the fact, the data will be reviewed, and only the first-recorded ballot would be counted.
On the flip side, if a person votes in person and then a voted absentee ballot from them later arrives at the election office, the in-person vote would already be recorded and the absentee ballot would be rejected. That voter shouldn’t be surprised to receive a letter from election officials asking why two ballots were cast—even though only one was counted.
What's to prevent me from showing up, saying I'm you, signing your name, and then voting?
Your signature wouldn't match the real signature on file. Duh.
Governor Youngkin's son tried this twice last fall and was busted twice. The system works.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/glenn-youngkins-underage-son-tried-to-vote-in-virginia-governors-election-officials-say/2870695/
Did you even read the article? It says nothing about signature matching. From the article: The young man presented identification but was ineligible to be registered due to his age and was not permitted to vote.
There's no "permanent record" for everyone to match anything to, so signatures are useless.
So on a few years when the latest generation who doesn’t even learn to sign their name because everything is digital, I guess we can confirm they typed their name correctly???
Anonymous
01/19/2022 20:48
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This will keep my disabled MIL from voting. She has a Maryland ID, but her naturalization paperwork has her name from 4 husbands ago, so she can’t get a picture ID here. I guess we will start the very long process of sending all of the marriage and death certificates to the state department.
Why didn't you do this all along?
Ding ding ding. You'd think that would be the obvious thing to do, wouldn't you? The excuses are just... mind-numbing.
DP
Maybe because it costs $555 and is a PITA?
I just looked this up. It costs $41 to change your name in VA. Any more excuses?
http://webdev.courts.state.va.us/cgi-bin/DJIT/ef_djs_ccfees_calc.cgi#ID_CALC_FRM
Anonymous
01/19/2022 20:43
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This will keep my disabled MIL from voting. She has a Maryland ID, but her naturalization paperwork has her name from 4 husbands ago, so she can’t get a picture ID here. I guess we will start the very long process of sending all of the marriage and death certificates to the state department.
Why didn't you do this all along?
Ding ding ding. You'd think that would be the obvious thing to do, wouldn't you? The excuses are just... mind-numbing.
DP
Maybe because it costs $555 and is a PITA?
Link to that number?
Anonymous
01/19/2022 20:41
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The ID requirement effects so few voters and sounds so reasonable that democrats come off like chicken little. Then when real issues like Texas and Georgia closing polling locations and restricting hours arise no one listens anymore.
It doesn't affect people with means.
But get sick, or old, or poor, or disabiled, and it DOES affect you.
This is not a small issue. I have friends in Orlando who volunteer to help people get IDs. It's a huge job.
Making identification free would solve the issue of those who can’t afford the fee.
As to transit difficulties, elections aren’t a surprise and id is needed for other things in life. I needed one to register my children for school. If you want an id you will get one (assuming you are a citizen or legally in the country) even if you have to do a little planning.
You are entirely too rational for this thread - and perhaps for DCUM as a whole.
Anonymous
01/19/2022 20:40
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We've literally had 250+ years of elections without voter ID cards. Your signature was always your voter ID.
There's no rational reason to change the rules now. Those pushing the change just want to make another barrier to voting.
What signature is being matched?
Serious question: Have you seriously never voted in-person? Are you even an American?
You sign your name and the poll worker compares your physical signature with the one you gave when you registered to vote.
I have never signed anything when voting.
+1
The PP is insisting that everyone else lives on Planet Insanity, with her.
Anonymous
01/19/2022 20:39
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/in-person-voting/index.html
Virginia law requires all voters to provide either an acceptable form of ID or sign an ID Confirmation Statement at the polls. Voters arriving at the polls without an acceptable form of ID will be required to either sign an ID Confirmation Statement or vote a provisional ballot.
Virginia law requires all voters to provide either an acceptable form of ID or sign an ID Confirmation Statement at the polls. Voters arriving at the polls without an acceptable form of ID will be required to either sign an ID Confirmation Statement or vote a provisional ballot.
Anonymous
01/19/2022 20:37
Subject: VA is now anti voting State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We've literally had 250+ years of elections without voter ID cards. Your signature was always your voter ID.
There's no rational reason to change the rules now. Those pushing the change just want to make another barrier to voting.
What signature is being matched?
Serious question: Have you seriously never voted in-person? Are you even an American?
You sign your name and the poll worker compares your physical signature with the one you gave when you registered to vote.
DP. I'm just going to say it: BULLSHIT. I don't know where you vote, but in VA, you do not sign anything unless you have no ID. Those of us with ID simply present it to the poll worker, they look us up on their register, mark us off, and return our ID to us. You harping on some fictional signature is just making you look like a moron.