Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 11:38     Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It would be nice to understand what the GOP opposes here


Nothing to add except I used to work for LTG Hertling, and he is a great man. One of the best leaders I had.


Interesting that he hasn't included some of the other issues that aren't so nice.....like diverting tax payer money to campaigns and requiring ballot harvesting.

Some of the issues I have.... Why make election day a federal holiday if you have 15 days of early voting?
His definition of "anti-voting" laws is not defined. And, if you listen to Biden, some of the things he has highlighted are not anti-voting at all. He even got 4 Pinocchios for his comments on the GA law.
I am against automatic voter registration or the same day registration.
Against using utility bills and bank statements for ID...... Last I checked no photo on either of these.



What is wrong with motor-votor laws? That seems like ano-brainer, and yet you oppose that too?
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 11:37     Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Republicans were genuinely worried about voter ID then they would have no problem making it free and easy to obtain.


Most states already do that.


But not the ones in GOP control with high African American populations.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 11:35     Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It would be nice to understand what the GOP opposes here


Nothing to add except I used to work for LTG Hertling, and he is a great man. One of the best leaders I had.


Interesting that he hasn't included some of the other issues that aren't so nice.....like diverting tax payer money to campaigns and requiring ballot harvesting.

Some of the issues I have.... Why make election day a federal holiday if you have 15 days of early voting?
His definition of "anti-voting" laws is not defined. And, if you listen to Biden, some of the things he has highlighted are not anti-voting at all. He even got 4 Pinocchios for his comments on the GA law.
I am against automatic voter registration or the same day registration.
Against using utility bills and bank statements for ID...... Last I checked no photo on either of these.

Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 11:23     Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:If Republicans were genuinely worried about voter ID then they would have no problem making it free and easy to obtain.


Most states already do that.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 11:19     Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
If Republicans were genuinely worried about voter ID then they would have no problem making it free and easy to obtain.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 11:01     Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow, the Republican propaganda machine has really kicked in to overdrive for the last half dozen or so posts.


Actually, they are reasonable questions and concerns. Also, many of these items aren't even a federal power.


There are all sorts of things Trump did that weren't in federal power yet you didn't give a lick about it then, first, and second, standardizing the types of IDs one can use to gain the ability to vote should be a good thing. Why do you think it is ok for gun licenses but not state issued student IDs?
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 10:56     Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:Wow, the Republican propaganda machine has really kicked in to overdrive for the last half dozen or so posts.


Actually, they are reasonable questions and concerns. Also, many of these items aren't even a federal power.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 10:53     Subject: Re:I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Combats anti-voting laws" is not true. The laws being passed are no tougher than the ones in many other states--see Delaware. The laws being implemented reinforce voter integrity.


Aw, how quaint that you believe that.

Republicans don’t read links. How would they know what we’re talking about?
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 10:35     Subject: Re:I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Registration and voting and vote counting are different actions. States set their own requirements. Some states intentionally try to make it hard for blacks, Hispanics, and college students to register, to vote, and to have their votes counted. It’s always been that way. It’s what conservative state and local governments do. Every one of them.


So, it's not okay to require proof of residency and citizenship to register in Red states? That is what you are saying. Sorry, but the Dem bill is not sufficient. It allows a "work around" which eliminates the need for proof.


Uh, everyone has to have proof of residency to vote in an election. There is a difference between showing that proof to be on the voter rolls, and having an ID card when you show up to vote.


Having an ID card shows that you are that person. Pretty simple. Not hard.


Make it free and easy to get and we agree. In fact, Republicans are talking about the importance of voter ID to election integrity, while gaslighting Americans about what their party is doing in the states.

The bills they are opposing would mandate voter ID standards, among other things.

So GOP should actually be supporting this bill if they want ID standards and a voter ID. It is a core provision to the bill.

Did you know that? Or are you just spouting stuff because Hannity said so?
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 10:12     Subject: Re:I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Registration and voting and vote counting are different actions. States set their own requirements. Some states intentionally try to make it hard for blacks, Hispanics, and college students to register, to vote, and to have their votes counted. It’s always been that way. It’s what conservative state and local governments do. Every one of them.


So, it's not okay to require proof of residency and citizenship to register in Red states? That is what you are saying. Sorry, but the Dem bill is not sufficient. It allows a "work around" which eliminates the need for proof.


Uh, everyone has to have proof of residency to vote in an election. There is a difference between showing that proof to be on the voter rolls, and having an ID card when you show up to vote.


Having an ID card shows that you are that person. Pretty simple. Not hard.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 10:11     Subject: Re:I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:"Combats anti-voting laws" is not true. The laws being passed are no tougher than the ones in many other states--see Delaware. The laws being implemented reinforce voter integrity.


Aw, how quaint that you believe that.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 10:10     Subject: Re:I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:
Registration and voting and vote counting are different actions. States set their own requirements. Some states intentionally try to make it hard for blacks, Hispanics, and college students to register, to vote, and to have their votes counted. It’s always been that way. It’s what conservative state and local governments do. Every one of them.


So, it's not okay to require proof of residency and citizenship to register in Red states? That is what you are saying. Sorry, but the Dem bill is not sufficient. It allows a "work around" which eliminates the need for proof.


Uh, everyone has to have proof of residency to vote in an election. There is a difference between showing that proof to be on the voter rolls, and having an ID card when you show up to vote.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 10:09     Subject: Re:I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:I don't know about the 'light" on dark money, but the plan to match "small donors' is ripe for abuse. That gives my taxes to people I don't support, in many cases. What could go wrong here?


In DC, this program has been working very well. It gets big money out of politics and rewards small, individual donations. So it forces the candidates to interact with actual voters instead of PACs and corporate interests. If that means there are a couple of candidates I don't support receiving public money, I am okay with it, because at least I know they are being funded by my fellow residents and not some outside interests. Also, they don't just "get" the money. They have to reach certain thresholds to qualify.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 10:00     Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:It would be nice to understand what the GOP opposes here


Nothing to add except I used to work for LTG Hertling, and he is a great man. One of the best leaders I had.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2022 09:58     Subject: Re:I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
I don't know about the 'light" on dark money, but the plan to match "small donors' is ripe for abuse. That gives my taxes to people I don't support, in many cases. What could go wrong here?