Anonymous
Post 01/09/2022 14:06     Subject: Re:Antiwork movement
Interesting article in the paper today about movement to bring more tech to fast food and similar work places to compensate for worker shortages. Turns out people aren’t irreplaceable, at least in the long run.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2022 13:57     Subject: Antiwork movement
This is a global movement that is beyond immigration, boomer retirement and your baby-sitting woes. The U.S is not the only country experiencing this "movement" (See Lie Flat in China) and labor shortage is worldwide (Google is your friend). Workers are tired of long work hours, multiple jobs, low pay and just downright bossy bosses.

The pandemic gave lots of workers the downtime they needed to asses their work/life priorities. Some have just decided that being self-employed with less money may be more beneficial than working at Wendy's.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2022 13:04     Subject: Re:Antiwork movement
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How do they survive if not working?


it's not about not working, it's a about not staying in jobs that have abusive practices (not letting workers call in sick, no leave, working under unsafe conditions) or pay crap.


This is what most of us have always done. Problem is for people with limited skills and opportunities, they might not have as many options.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2022 13:02     Subject: Re:Antiwork movement
Anonymous wrote:They have every reason to be angry

Boomers took all the wealth for themselves and basically rammed society down the drain. Everyone else is sick of it, and sick of them. It's a dangerous combo


Karma is boomers trapped in nursing homes with unchanged diapers and bed sores because their treasured capitalism refuses to pay adequate salary to nursing home staff. There is more than one way to skin a cat --- being forced to hire travel nurses at super high rates is just one manifestation of the anti-work movement.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2022 12:34     Subject: Antiwork movement
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Antiwork is roughly 50% genuine and 50% foreign agitators (Chinese and Russian) trying to radicalize young people here who never worked in the crappy jobs people complain about in that subreddit


Why do these communists have so much $ to pay for agitators


I can't tell if you're serious, so I'll take this at face value.

1) Neither Russia or China are communist. That's not a defense of communism against the bad press of authoritarian regimes - it's just a fact. It's hard to be precise when it comes to forms/philosophies of government, but this is an easy call.

2) Our adversaries are more than happy to invest boatloads into destabilizing society in the US. They couldn't beat us in a conventional war even if we all had the collective appetite for such a thing, so they've moved on to asymmetrical attacks like cyber, mis/disinformation, and the like. Others like Iran are also in on this, as well as many domestically bred actors.

3) It costs virtually nothing to attack us in this way, exploiting the openness of our society and our naive trust. The ROI is tremendous and, frankly, they'd be fools to pass up on the opportunity.

Do agree then that their forces instigating the other side to get mad at things like election results, vaccines, etc?


PP here.

That is exactly what they're doing. That's not all that they're doing, and not all agitation is a result of external influence, but - yes - our adversaries are fomenting domestic strife across a range of topics.


This is interesting, do you think tecents stake in Reddit have anything to do this this?
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2022 12:32     Subject: Re:Antiwork movement
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How do they survive if not working?



By taking a better job


You misunderstand the "anti-work" part of this forum. If you are leaving a job and going to another job - that is NOT anti-work. That is in fact NOT leaving the workforce.

Good grief people - grow up and follow along.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2022 12:30     Subject: Antiwork movement
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Antiwork is roughly 50% genuine and 50% foreign agitators (Chinese and Russian) trying to radicalize young people here who never worked in the crappy jobs people complain about in that subreddit


Why do these communists have so much $ to pay for agitators


I can't tell if you're serious, so I'll take this at face value.

1) Neither Russia or China are communist. That's not a defense of communism against the bad press of authoritarian regimes - it's just a fact. It's hard to be precise when it comes to forms/philosophies of government, but this is an easy call.

2) Our adversaries are more than happy to invest boatloads into destabilizing society in the US. They couldn't beat us in a conventional war even if we all had the collective appetite for such a thing, so they've moved on to asymmetrical attacks like cyber, mis/disinformation, and the like. Others like Iran are also in on this, as well as many domestically bred actors.

3) It costs virtually nothing to attack us in this way, exploiting the openness of our society and our naive trust. The ROI is tremendous and, frankly, they'd be fools to pass up on the opportunity.

Do agree then that their forces instigating the other side to get mad at things like election results, vaccines, etc?


PP here.

That is exactly what they're doing. That's not all that they're doing, and not all agitation is a result of external influence, but - yes - our adversaries are fomenting domestic strife across a range of topics.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2022 12:08     Subject: Re:Antiwork movement
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How do they survive if not working?


it's not about not working, it's a about not staying in jobs that have abusive practices (not letting workers call in sick, no leave, working under unsafe conditions) or pay crap.


+1. Restaurant workers fired for not coming in while sick. Amazon employees being penalized for using the toilet. Many companies using the pandemic as an excuse to force employees to be available 24/7. I worked for a guy who felt it was acceptable to call me up at 10 am on a Sunday with a task that could take 5+ hours to complete, expecting to me to jump right on it. If I didn’t pick up, he would call again and again. After all, he knew we were all home anyway. And yes, he knew I had a toddler and a baby at home - just didn’t care, it wasn’t his problem. Yet somehow he was shocked and hurt when I found another job and resigned.

Treat your employees like humans instead of “resources” or they will leave. “Be grateful you have a job” doesn’t cut it. Corporations should not have all the power.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2022 12:01     Subject: Re:Antiwork movement
Anonymous wrote:How do they survive if not working?



By taking a better job
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2022 09:53     Subject: Re:Antiwork movement
Anonymous wrote:How do they survive if not working?


it's not about not working, it's a about not staying in jobs that have abusive practices (not letting workers call in sick, no leave, working under unsafe conditions) or pay crap.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 21:07     Subject: Re:Antiwork movement
How do they survive if not working?

Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 18:14     Subject: Antiwork movement
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm a little dubious about the existence of a "movement" that's primarily on Reddit. Either way, I don't really have an opinion on if other people work. I suspect most of them will return to work if pay and conditions are good and it's up to employers to convince them to come back.


If you read the subreddit there’s a large number of horrifyingly bad managers out there. Treat people like crap, and you end up with an anti work movement.

I mean, look at what happened with the recent tornado in Kentucky. They threatened to fire people who didn’t want to come in during life-threatening storms. These people were making candles, for Pete’s sake. They died for candles.


Government is rife with bad managers. Just look at telework: who promoted telework?

-Clinton for 8 years;
-Bush for the next 8;
-Obama pushed telework for all 8 years - especially in the DC area.

So: WHY was telework for 4 out of 5 days a week so incredibly rare, pre-Covid?

BAD GOVERNMENT MANAGERS.

Look, I personally know of a component in the Civil Division, which was ordered (repeatedly) to implement telework.

Their response? They implemented a “study program.” Among their hundreds of attorneys, they allowed TWO (2) to telework, and decided to “study” the problem for over 5 years. The managers were so intent on micro-managing, and opposing telework, they were willing to defy the Attorney General and numerous administrations to resist telework.

That fit leaf is now gone. If they do not allow more flexibility in telework, government managers will face a mass exodus of talent.


Exodus is already happening even with good telework programs in place. USPTO is a good example of this.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 17:17     Subject: Antiwork movement
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Antiwork is roughly 50% genuine and 50% foreign agitators (Chinese and Russian) trying to radicalize young people here who never worked in the crappy jobs people complain about in that subreddit


Why do these communists have so much $ to pay for agitators


I can't tell if you're serious, so I'll take this at face value.

1) Neither Russia or China are communist. That's not a defense of communism against the bad press of authoritarian regimes - it's just a fact. It's hard to be precise when it comes to forms/philosophies of government, but this is an easy call.

2) Our adversaries are more than happy to invest boatloads into destabilizing society in the US. They couldn't beat us in a conventional war even if we all had the collective appetite for such a thing, so they've moved on to asymmetrical attacks like cyber, mis/disinformation, and the like. Others like Iran are also in on this, as well as many domestically bred actors.

3) It costs virtually nothing to attack us in this way, exploiting the openness of our society and our naive trust. The ROI is tremendous and, frankly, they'd be fools to pass up on the opportunity.

Do agree then that their forces instigating the other side to get mad at things like election results, vaccines, etc?
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 16:29     Subject: Antiwork movement
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Antiwork is roughly 50% genuine and 50% foreign agitators (Chinese and Russian) trying to radicalize young people here who never worked in the crappy jobs people complain about in that subreddit


Why do these communists have so much $ to pay for agitators


I can't tell if you're serious, so I'll take this at face value.

1) Neither Russia or China are communist. That's not a defense of communism against the bad press of authoritarian regimes - it's just a fact. It's hard to be precise when it comes to forms/philosophies of government, but this is an easy call.

2) Our adversaries are more than happy to invest boatloads into destabilizing society in the US. They couldn't beat us in a conventional war even if we all had the collective appetite for such a thing, so they've moved on to asymmetrical attacks like cyber, mis/disinformation, and the like. Others like Iran are also in on this, as well as many domestically bred actors.

3) It costs virtually nothing to attack us in this way, exploiting the openness of our society and our naive trust. The ROI is tremendous and, frankly, they'd be fools to pass up on the opportunity.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 01:53     Subject: Antiwork movement
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm a little dubious about the existence of a "movement" that's primarily on Reddit. Either way, I don't really have an opinion on if other people work. I suspect most of them will return to work if pay and conditions are good and it's up to employers to convince them to come back.


If you read the subreddit there’s a large number of horrifyingly bad managers out there. Treat people like crap, and you end up with an anti work movement.

I mean, look at what happened with the recent tornado in Kentucky. They threatened to fire people who didn’t want to come in during life-threatening storms. These people were making candles, for Pete’s sake. They died for candles.


Government is rife with bad managers. Just look at telework: who promoted telework?

-Clinton for 8 years;
-Bush for the next 8;
-Obama pushed telework for all 8 years - especially in the DC area.

So: WHY was telework for 4 out of 5 days a week so incredibly rare, pre-Covid?

BAD GOVERNMENT MANAGERS.

Look, I personally know of a component in the Civil Division, which was ordered (repeatedly) to implement telework.

Their response? They implemented a “study program.” Among their hundreds of attorneys, they allowed TWO (2) to telework, and decided to “study” the problem for over 5 years. The managers were so intent on micro-managing, and opposing telework, they were willing to defy the Attorney General and numerous administrations to resist telework.

That fit leaf is now gone. If they do not allow more flexibility in telework, government managers will face a mass exodus of talent.