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Anonymous wrote:The women on that CNN report make me want to puke, frankly. Several previous posters have suggested that everyone thinks as selfishly as those women do, but that's BS. Those women are privileged, as are many of the on here agreeing with them. Yes, the pandemic was hard on kids because schools were closed, but it was way harder on many other families -- with or without kids -- than it was on those women. I guarantee you none of them had a family member die from covid, for one thing.

If you vote Republican, you're voting selfishly almost by definition. Those women care only about themselves and their families. I didn't hear a word out of any of their mouths expressing one iota of concern or empathy for anybody else.

Not "everyone" thinks selfishly, but most people do, including many who claim not to. IMO the people who point out other people's selfishness are the most selfish of all.

Anonymous wrote:The women on that CNN report make me want to puke, frankly. Several previous posters have suggested that everyone thinks as selfishly as those women do, but that's BS. Those women are privileged, as are many of the on here agreeing with them. Yes, the pandemic was hard on kids because schools were closed, but it was way harder on many other families -- with or without kids -- than it was on those women. I guarantee you none of them had a family member die from covid, for one thing.

If you vote Republican, you're voting selfishly almost by definition. Those women care only about themselves and their families. I didn't hear a word out of any of their mouths expressing one iota of concern or empathy for anybody else.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

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I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

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I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

Anonymous wrote:The women on that CNN report make me want to puke, frankly. Several previous posters have suggested that everyone thinks as selfishly as those women do, but that's BS. Those women are privileged, as are many of the on here agreeing with them. Yes, the pandemic was hard on kids because schools were closed, but it was way harder on many other families -- with or without kids -- than it was on those women. I guarantee you none of them had a family member die from covid, for one thing.

If you vote Republican, you're voting selfishly almost by definition. Those women care only about themselves and their families. I didn't hear a word out of any of their mouths expressing one iota of concern or empathy for anybody else.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly do not understand how people think that Democrats can support closing schools for well over a year, berate parents raising concerns, and see no electoral consequences.

I honestly don’t see how Republicans can stage a violent insurrection on the Capitol and then have the rest of the party whitewash it and support changes to state election laws in the name of election fraud than never occurred and face no election consequences.

Exactly.

Summer 2020 - local school districts decide to take cautious approach to deadly, global pandemic in light of parents/teachers concerns and a lot of uncertainty. After surge subsided & teachers are vaccinated (and willing to go back), kids are back in building. Following CDC safety guidelines. At the state level schools can open. Districts are free to decide based on local conditions.

January 2021 - Trump supporters storm the Capitol, goaded by Trump and his Big Lie. People are killed. Pipe bombs placed at DNC/RNC headquarters. We are fearful in our home as we hear about stashes of weapons nearby. After this, the GOP still continues to push The Big Lie with legislation to address “election integrity” by restricting voters and election officials.

But yeah the Ds are the bad guys here. Unbelievable.

Your version of "Summer" 2020 is a revisionist fantasy so it is impossible to take you seriously.

Which part was inaccurate? It was spot on.

The return of kids to school was not linked to any surge (look at the timing). Teachers were prioritized ahead of far more vulnerable population groups for vaccines but did not go back; in fact refused to go back. The timing was not "Summer 2020," it was approximately 18 months of time.

You also left off the enormous amount of documented learning loss that has impacted the most vulnerable children in the state the most, and the fact that there appears to be little documented evidence of outbreaks tied to school globally, and the fact that Democratic policies with respect to covid did not (and still do not) appear to be grounded in science.

Summer 2020 (July / August) - school districts decided to start off virtual
Fall 2020 - schools feared impending surge - stick with virtual
January 2021 - teachers can get vaccine, #s start declining dramatically
February / March 2021 - schools start bringing kids back into classroom

Learning loss is huge and needs to be addressed. But that doesn’t change the fact that schools had a reasonable approach then given knowledge and resources at that time.

Wow. You really believe your version of pandemic school closure history. It's just not true, but it is remarkable how strongly you believe it.

This. The PP’s account isn’t how it happened at all.

It’s spot on. What part is incorrect?

Here is what really happened:

Summer 2020. Schools decide to start virtually despite very low cases and without support of scientific evidence. They make no plans for in person or even an attempted in-person, including no accommodation or even consideration for highly at-risk children. Because no plans are made and no work is done, opening in-person will not be possible. The CDC does not endorse virtual school. Respected pediatrician groups and education advocates across the country sound the alarm about the harms of extended virtual learning, but are ignored.

Fall 2020. Delta cases pick up, but the case rate in most of VA remains comparatively low. Virtual school is in session. Large numbers of at-risk children do not log in once. Reports of DV against children rise. Children who are wealthy do fine, for the most part. Women pick up the pace of leaving jobs, dropping out of the workforce in larger numbers. Meanwhile, scientific evidence starts to accumulate from states and countries where kids remained in school that school is not a large driver of covid transmission in the community. Any criticism that keeping kids out of school is not grounded in available scientific evidence and is disproportionately and severely hurting the most vulnerable children is met with inflammatory responsive language from unions and Democratic politicians. In-person childcare remains open and is not seen as a major driver of community transmission. Bars and restaurants remain open. Private schools return in-person with very little evidence of significant transmission at school. VA hospitals are not overwhelmed with perhaps a few exceptions in the south.

Winter 2021. Covid cases start to increase, likely tied to holiday season and indoor gathering and Delta. Teachers unions negotiate for and win significant vaccine preference, ahead of disabled people and people over age 50 (who are, as a group, much more vulnerable), but oppose vaccine mandates for teachers.

Spring 2021. Zoom in a room begins for some kids. In-person actual teaching is limited. For the most part, children do not have access to regular in-person learning. Unions strongly advocate not to return despite the vaccine preference ahead of much more vulnerable groups. Cases drop as people get vaccinated and indoor gatherings abate as the weather warms, but unions and some Democrats start talking more about virtual school until all children are vaccinated and vaccination is mandated for kids (but not teachers). Some kids get a minimal amount of in-person learning; most do not. Vulnerable kids are not prioritized, and many go the entire year being totally missing from the school system. Overwhelming evidence of extreme learning loss, especially among the most vulnerable kids, accumulates. Educationally, the year is mostly a loss except for wealthy children. The education gap is significantly exacerbated.

Also: the inflammatory responsive language was overtly misogynist.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

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Anonymous wrote:The women on that CNN report make me want to puke, frankly. Several previous posters have suggested that everyone thinks as selfishly as those women do, but that's BS. Those women are privileged, as are many of the on here agreeing with them. Yes, the pandemic was hard on kids because schools were closed, but it was way harder on many other families -- with or without kids -- than it was on those women. I guarantee you none of them had a family member die from covid, for one thing.

If you vote Republican, you're voting selfishly almost by definition. Those women care only about themselves and their families. I didn't hear a word out of any of their mouths expressing one iota of concern or empathy for anybody else.

Yeah see I’m not sure, you might want to poll the Afghanis about which party they think resonates with “selfish”.

Anonymous wrote:The women on that CNN report make me want to puke, frankly. Several previous posters have suggested that everyone thinks as selfishly as those women do, but that's BS. Those women are privileged, as are many of the on here agreeing with them. Yes, the pandemic was hard on kids because schools were closed, but it was way harder on many other families -- with or without kids -- than it was on those women. I guarantee you none of them had a family member die from covid, for one thing.

If you vote Republican, you're voting selfishly almost by definition. Those women care only about themselves and their families. I didn't hear a word out of any of their mouths expressing one iota of concern or empathy for anybody else.

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Fall 2020. Delta cases pick up

Wut?

What are you confused about?

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

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