Anonymous
10/27/2021 17:42
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The bigger question is what will Mark Kelly support. He has been noticeably quiet about this multi-trillion dollar bill.
Mark Kelly is looking at Sinema's polling in AZ, which is currently in the gutter. Sinema won't win the Dem nomination in 2024. She could run as an Independent, but will be splitting the vote with a nutty Trumper. And I bet AZ's first Hispanic/Latino Senator is elected as a Democrat.
I have no idea what she's doing, but I don't think it's a winning strategy.
That’s because you don’t understand AZ politics. Not that Sinema cares as she’s not up for re-election until 2024 anyway. Mark Kelly however will have to fight for re-election in 2022. He’s quiet because he’ll vote whatever the party line says but if he’s so quiet he’s invisible the AZ populace might just vote him out on principle.
RP:
A newly released poll conducted by OH Predictive Insights, conducted from Sept. 7-12, shows how unique her political coalition of support is in these tribal times. Her net favorability is plus-7 (46 percent favorable, 39 percent unfavorable) in a state that President Biden carried by a single point. While just 56 percent of Democrats view her favorably, she holds an above-water (plus-6) rating with independents and unusually high 40 percent favorability rating among Republicans.
All told, her overall favorability rating is a notch higher than newly elected Sen. Mark Kelly. He polls between 43 and 44 percent against all Republicans in next year’s Senate race. His net favorability rating is plus-4, with 47 percent viewing him favorably and 43 percent viewing him unfavorably.
Angry progressive pundits are convinced that Sinema’s independent positioning will doom her in a Democratic primary. That is a total misread of her political situation.
OMG, who cares what Republicans tell pollsters. They may LOVE Sinema sticking her finger in Biden's eye but they will NEVER vote for her, even if she were Independent. Sinema is a poser and I suspect is on the spectrum.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 16:11
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The bigger question is what will Mark Kelly support. He has been noticeably quiet about this multi-trillion dollar bill.
Mark Kelly is looking at Sinema's polling in AZ, which is currently in the gutter. Sinema won't win the Dem nomination in 2024. She could run as an Independent, but will be splitting the vote with a nutty Trumper. And I bet AZ's first Hispanic/Latino Senator is elected as a Democrat.
I have no idea what she's doing, but I don't think it's a winning strategy.
That’s because you don’t understand AZ politics. Not that Sinema cares as she’s not up for re-election until 2024 anyway. Mark Kelly however will have to fight for re-election in 2022. He’s quiet because he’ll vote whatever the party line says but if he’s so quiet he’s invisible the AZ populace might just vote him out on principle.
RP:
A newly released poll conducted by OH Predictive Insights, conducted from Sept. 7-12, shows how unique her political coalition of support is in these tribal times. Her net favorability is plus-7 (46 percent favorable, 39 percent unfavorable) in a state that President Biden carried by a single point. While just 56 percent of Democrats view her favorably, she holds an above-water (plus-6) rating with independents and unusually high 40 percent favorability rating among Republicans.
All told, her overall favorability rating is a notch higher than newly elected Sen. Mark Kelly. He polls between 43 and 44 percent against all Republicans in next year’s Senate race. His net favorability rating is plus-4, with 47 percent viewing him favorably and 43 percent viewing him unfavorably.
Angry progressive pundits are convinced that Sinema’s independent positioning will doom her in a Democratic primary. That is a total misread of her political situation.
Any more recent numbers? Sept 7 was a long time ago and she's now known as a spoiler. In early September she was still "just asking questions." That was before she opposed prescription drug pricing reform, which is a complete 180 degree reversal of her campaign promise in 2018.
AZ voters also don't like liars who welch on their promises.
You’re welcome to cite a more recent poll. Doesn’t change the fact that you can’t threaten her with the results of an election 48 months away.
Thinking you can threaten her with that is like telling a toddler who doesn’t understand the concept of a year that they’ll have restricted toy privileges for 12 months.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 16:04
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The bigger question is what will Mark Kelly support. He has been noticeably quiet about this multi-trillion dollar bill.
Mark Kelly is looking at Sinema's polling in AZ, which is currently in the gutter. Sinema won't win the Dem nomination in 2024. She could run as an Independent, but will be splitting the vote with a nutty Trumper. And I bet AZ's first Hispanic/Latino Senator is elected as a Democrat.
I have no idea what she's doing, but I don't think it's a winning strategy.
That’s because you don’t understand AZ politics. Not that Sinema cares as she’s not up for re-election until 2024 anyway. Mark Kelly however will have to fight for re-election in 2022. He’s quiet because he’ll vote whatever the party line says but if he’s so quiet he’s invisible the AZ populace might just vote him out on principle.
RP:
A newly released poll conducted by OH Predictive Insights, conducted from Sept. 7-12, shows how unique her political coalition of support is in these tribal times. Her net favorability is plus-7 (46 percent favorable, 39 percent unfavorable) in a state that President Biden carried by a single point. While just 56 percent of Democrats view her favorably, she holds an above-water (plus-6) rating with independents and unusually high 40 percent favorability rating among Republicans.
All told, her overall favorability rating is a notch higher than newly elected Sen. Mark Kelly. He polls between 43 and 44 percent against all Republicans in next year’s Senate race. His net favorability rating is plus-4, with 47 percent viewing him favorably and 43 percent viewing him unfavorably.
Angry progressive pundits are convinced that Sinema’s independent positioning will doom her in a Democratic primary. That is a total misread of her political situation.
Any more recent numbers? Sept 7 was a long time ago and she's now known as a spoiler. In early September she was still "just asking questions." That was before she opposed prescription drug pricing reform, which is a complete 180 degree reversal of her campaign promise in 2018.
AZ voters also don't like liars who welch on their promises.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 15:50
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The bigger question is what will Mark Kelly support. He has been noticeably quiet about this multi-trillion dollar bill.
Mark Kelly is looking at Sinema's polling in AZ, which is currently in the gutter. Sinema won't win the Dem nomination in 2024. She could run as an Independent, but will be splitting the vote with a nutty Trumper. And I bet AZ's first Hispanic/Latino Senator is elected as a Democrat.
I have no idea what she's doing, but I don't think it's a winning strategy.
That’s because you don’t understand AZ politics. Not that Sinema cares as she’s not up for re-election until 2024 anyway. Mark Kelly however will have to fight for re-election in 2022. He’s quiet because he’ll vote whatever the party line says but if he’s so quiet he’s invisible the AZ populace might just vote him out on principle.
RP:
A newly released poll conducted by OH Predictive Insights, conducted from Sept. 7-12, shows how unique her political coalition of support is in these tribal times. Her net favorability is plus-7 (46 percent favorable, 39 percent unfavorable) in a state that President Biden carried by a single point. While just 56 percent of Democrats view her favorably, she holds an above-water (plus-6) rating with independents and unusually high 40 percent favorability rating among Republicans.
All told, her overall favorability rating is a notch higher than newly elected Sen. Mark Kelly. He polls between 43 and 44 percent against all Republicans in next year’s Senate race. His net favorability rating is plus-4, with 47 percent viewing him favorably and 43 percent viewing him unfavorably.
Angry progressive pundits are convinced that Sinema’s independent positioning will doom her in a Democratic primary. That is a total misread of her political situation.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 15:41
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:The bigger question is what will Mark Kelly support. He has been noticeably quiet about this multi-trillion dollar bill.
Mark Kelly is looking at Sinema's polling in AZ, which is currently in the gutter. Sinema won't win the Dem nomination in 2024. She could run as an Independent, but will be splitting the vote with a nutty Trumper. And I bet AZ's first Hispanic/Latino Senator is elected as a Democrat.
I have no idea what she's doing, but I don't think it's a winning strategy.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 15:38
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
The bigger question is what will Mark Kelly support. He has been noticeably quiet about this multi-trillion dollar bill.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 15:31
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Because hard infrastructure is a fraction of Biden's agenda and corporate Dems can't be trusted to pass anything other than that. They are trying to run out the clock. Good for Sanders and other progressives for holding firm to pass POTUS agenda.
They way the Dems are jumping from insane plan to insane plan and they still haven't shown up with a written bill for the social construct part of it - they'll never get anything.
My take is that Schumer is bad at his job. Manchin was always clear about what he would go for (I don't favor his stance but he was clear). Schumer should have gotten Manchin and Sanders (and Pelosi & Potus) into a room early on and worked out a framework. Sinema would try to throw a wrench in it but if Manchin and Sander's were on board she would look like a spoiler and I think she thinks she's some McCain 2.0 but she's weak and would go along.
I agree with what you're saying up until Sinema. You know what Manchin wants and should have met him at his number months ago. By the same measure, you don't know what Sinema wants however underestimate her resolve at your own peril. She single-handedly tanked the $15 minimum wage and wasn't shy about voting it down either.
They don't like this plan - come up with a new one and pass Infrastructure in the meanwhile.
I think Sinema is corrupt, has gone on the take. I don't trust her motivations. I would be trying to dig dirt on her to find out who is pulling her strings and play extreme hardball to put the squeeze on her.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 13:03
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Because hard infrastructure is a fraction of Biden's agenda and corporate Dems can't be trusted to pass anything other than that. They are trying to run out the clock. Good for Sanders and other progressives for holding firm to pass POTUS agenda.
They way the Dems are jumping from insane plan to insane plan and they still haven't shown up with a written bill for the social construct part of it - they'll never get anything.
My take is that Schumer is bad at his job. Manchin was always clear about what he would go for (I don't favor his stance but he was clear). Schumer should have gotten Manchin and Sanders (and Pelosi & Potus) into a room early on and worked out a framework. Sinema would try to throw a wrench in it but if Manchin and Sander's were on board she would look like a spoiler and I think she thinks she's some McCain 2.0 but she's weak and would go along.
I agree with what you're saying up until Sinema. You know what Manchin wants and should have met him at his number months ago. By the same measure, you don't know what Sinema wants however underestimate her resolve at your own peril. She single-handedly tanked the $15 minimum wage and wasn't shy about voting it down either.
They don't like this plan - come up with a new one and pass Infrastructure in the meanwhile.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 12:56
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Because hard infrastructure is a fraction of Biden's agenda and corporate Dems can't be trusted to pass anything other than that. They are trying to run out the clock. Good for Sanders and other progressives for holding firm to pass POTUS agenda.
They way the Dems are jumping from insane plan to insane plan and they still haven't shown up with a written bill for the social construct part of it - they'll never get anything.
My take is that Schumer is bad at his job. Manchin was always clear about what he would go for (I don't favor his stance but he was clear). Schumer should have gotten Manchin and Sanders (and Pelosi & Potus) into a room early on and worked out a framework. Sinema would try to throw a wrench in it but if Manchin and Sander's were on board she would look like a spoiler and I think she thinks she's some McCain 2.0 but she's weak and would go along.
Anonymous
Anonymous
10/27/2021 12:46
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
Anonymous wrote:
Because hard infrastructure is a fraction of Biden's agenda and corporate Dems can't be trusted to pass anything other than that. They are trying to run out the clock. Good for Sanders and other progressives for holding firm to pass POTUS agenda.
They way the Dems are jumping from insane plan to insane plan and they still haven't shown up with a written bill for the social construct part of it - they'll never get anything.
Anonymous
10/27/2021 12:28
Subject: Re:What’s going on with the two bills?
Because hard infrastructure is a fraction of Biden's agenda and corporate Dems can't be trusted to pass anything other than that. They are trying to run out the clock. Good for Sanders and other progressives for holding firm to pass POTUS agenda.
Anonymous
Anonymous
10/26/2021 20:46
Subject: What’s going on with the two bills?
Now we find out Chicago will create a Guaranteed Basic Income program where they will pick 5,000 families at random (by lottery) and give them $500 a month for one year. That's Lori Lightfoot's proposal from the Chicago City Council. Cost will be $32 million which will come from federal stimulus dollars from the America Rescue plan for covid-19 passed earlier this year.