Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 12:22     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I didn’t know the van was Gabby’s! That puts an entirely different spin on it, do t you think?!

I thought it was his at first. How does he think he can get away with having HER van without her and not say what happened?!
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 12:03     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
did anyone else see the theory on tiktok that this could all be linked to the two women who were murdered in moab?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/26/kylen-schulte-crystal-turner-killed-camping/

apparently, the incident police were called to between gabbie and brian was at the same store where these women worked. i don't remember the exact timeline but these women were missing/murdered a couple days after police were called to gabby and brian's domestic dispute incident. and his last social media posts were at the same time.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 11:55     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think they were out in the wilderness and they had a fight on a canyon or something. She fell, he ran. I doubt they find her. He will get away with it and no one will ever know if it was a mutual scrabbling moment of passion gone wrong or full on murder. Tragedy.


I don’t know, seems unlikely that someone would take off cross country if they could just report it as an accidental fall at the time.


Devil's advocate here:
With the previous police incident in Moab, he knew he would be pinned as person-of-interest. In the case of an accidental fall, there is really no way to prove his innocence. He knows a prosecutor will go for a manslaughter/murder charge because of the publicity. He does the math and realizes he has no money to pay for a private attorney for a lengthy criminal trial. So he flees and doesn't talk to anyone but his lawyer.

Is it morally atrocious? Yes. But is it the best way to remain out of prison and no go in debt? Absolutely.

This is a basic, heartless cost-benefit analysis.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 11:51     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He's a scumbag.....but he's doing the "smart" thing if he's trying to avoid prosecution and conviction. He's exercising the full extent of his rights. The police will need to do all the work to build a case and that's really hard to do without a body.

There is no requirement to ever talk to the police, the FBI, Congress, etc. The only time you have to talk is when compelled by the courts. And even then, you can claim the 5th Amendment or simply answer "I do not recall."

Watch some of the videos of Donald Trump in legal depositions. He's actually really smart and a master at not providing any information to opposing attorneys. He pretty much always answers "I do not recall" to any question that may open himself to liability or other lines of questioning. If you stonewall at every turn, you can very likely get away with whatever you did.


Is it a d-bag move? Yes, but the smartest thing you can do as a person of interest.

Well, that and pray the police find no biological evidence in the van. But again, no body, no crime. Even if the police do find blood in the van, which it kind of sounds like they may have, you have these documented incidents of fighting that can be used to explain the blood.

Until a body is found, I believe the scum will remain free and silent.


That's not what happened with Suzanne Morphew's husband or Jennifer Dulos' husband. Neither a body or hint of a body has been found in either case. Although in the former's case they found a hotel room absolutely covered in bleach. I think in the later they found some blood in her garage.

But both are/were on trial for murder of their spouses/ex-spouse.


Those cases had an abundance of circumstantial and forensic evidence. In the Dulos case, there are materials (rags, clothes) with large quantities of the victim's blood and tissue.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 11:30     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:I think they were out in the wilderness and they had a fight on a canyon or something. She fell, he ran. I doubt they find her. He will get away with it and no one will ever know if it was a mutual scrabbling moment of passion gone wrong or full on murder. Tragedy.


I don’t know, seems unlikely that someone would take off cross country if they could just report it as an accidental fall at the time.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 11:29     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Won’t they get the boyfriend for something else if there is some suspicion? For example, John Skelton is in prison though investigators never found the bodies of his three going sons.

https://www.wtol.com/mobile/article/news/local/missing-michigan-skelton-brothers-missing-10-years/512-0b77a677-0b55-4c8f-afcc-e3bb33ca3843

BTW This case has haunted me for years.


Wow, he gets out next year and they still haven't charged him with murder.

When Skelton didn't return them, Zuvers notified police, who arrested Skelton and launched what became a massive search effort over the next few weeks. Cell phone records indicated Skelton left home the day after Thanksgiving and drove at least as far as Holiday City, Ohio, about 20 miles southwest, before returning home. Despite the help of hundreds of volunteers, the search produced nothing.

Skelton has maintained that he gave the boys to an organization he refuses to identify, and that he doesn't know where the boys were taken. He had been embroiled in a bitter custody dispute with their mother, and he told investigators he was trying to protect the boys from her.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 11:24     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Won’t they get the boyfriend for something else if there is some suspicion? For example, John Skelton is in prison though investigators never found the bodies of his three going sons.

https://www.wtol.com/mobile/article/news/local/missing-michigan-skelton-brothers-missing-10-years/512-0b77a677-0b55-4c8f-afcc-e3bb33ca3843

BTW This case has haunted me for years.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 11:21     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He's a scumbag.....but he's doing the "smart" thing if he's trying to avoid prosecution and conviction. He's exercising the full extent of his rights. The police will need to do all the work to build a case and that's really hard to do without a body.

There is no requirement to ever talk to the police, the FBI, Congress, etc. The only time you have to talk is when compelled by the courts. And even then, you can claim the 5th Amendment or simply answer "I do not recall."

Watch some of the videos of Donald Trump in legal depositions. He's actually really smart and a master at not providing any information to opposing attorneys. He pretty much always answers "I do not recall" to any question that may open himself to liability or other lines of questioning. If you stonewall at every turn, you can very likely get away with whatever you did.


Is it a d-bag move? Yes, but the smartest thing you can do as a person of interest.

Well, that and pray the police find no biological evidence in the van. But again, no body, no crime. Even if the police do find blood in the van, which it kind of sounds like they may have, you have these documented incidents of fighting that can be used to explain the blood.

Until a body is found, I believe the scum will remain free and silent.


That's not what happened with Suzanne Morphew's husband or Jennifer Dulos' husband. Neither a body or hint of a body has been found in either case. Although in the former's case they found a hotel room absolutely covered in bleach. I think in the later they found some blood in her garage.

But both are/were on trial for murder of their spouses/ex-spouse.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 11:16     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:I think they were out in the wilderness and they had a fight on a canyon or something. She fell, he ran. I doubt they find her. He will get away with it and no one will ever know if it was a mutual scrabbling moment of passion gone wrong or full on murder. Tragedy.


That sounds very plausible. I could see them getting into another altercation which went too far.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 11:00     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I think they were out in the wilderness and they had a fight on a canyon or something. She fell, he ran. I doubt they find her. He will get away with it and no one will ever know if it was a mutual scrabbling moment of passion gone wrong or full on murder. Tragedy.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 10:58     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:After watching the video, I feel like it's two people who have spent entirely too much time together on the road. And they're just sick of each other at this point. But in the name of social media and YouTube they felt the need to carry on. It's a cautionary tale for others. The van life is not this care-free fun lifestyle.


Ok so you call it off and buy a plane ticket home. YOU DON'T DO MURDER.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 10:55     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:He's a scumbag.....but he's doing the "smart" thing if he's trying to avoid prosecution and conviction. He's exercising the full extent of his rights. The police will need to do all the work to build a case and that's really hard to do without a body.

There is no requirement to ever talk to the police, the FBI, Congress, etc. The only time you have to talk is when compelled by the courts. And even then, you can claim the 5th Amendment or simply answer "I do not recall."

Watch some of the videos of Donald Trump in legal depositions. He's actually really smart and a master at not providing any information to opposing attorneys. He pretty much always answers "I do not recall" to any question that may open himself to liability or other lines of questioning. If you stonewall at every turn, you can very likely get away with whatever you did.


Is it a d-bag move? Yes, but the smartest thing you can do as a person of interest.

Well, that and pray the police find no biological evidence in the van. But again, no body, no crime. Even if the police do find blood in the van, which it kind of sounds like they may have, you have these documented incidents of fighting that can be used to explain the blood.

Until a body is found, I believe the scum will remain free and silent.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 10:15     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Two mentally unstable people in one van, what could possibly go wrong.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 10:14     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.scribd.com/document/525511859/Moab-Police-Department-Case-Petito-Laundrie#from_embed


Speaking as someone who has experienced emotional and psychological abuse and the insidious nature of it, as well as how abusers are well-versed at making the other person feel or look "crazy/crazier", these reports raised a lot of red flags in my mind when it comes to Brian.


Yeah but what about her? The report says she started it by slapping Brian. I think they're both mentally unstable and it's unfortunate they weren't taking medication.


It’s totally her fault that he likely brutally murdered her and disposed of her in a fun-filled cross-country journey, and is now stonewalling her parents. Totally think she should be taking responsibility post-mortem. Do you have a blog or site you can share where you post your other insights? I’d love to add a follow.


Case solved by the arm chair detective!


He was called the victim and she the suspect even though caller saw male hitting female. Male also tried to drive off without her. Yet she was called the suspect.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2021 10:08     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Over an hour of police body cam footage:



Initial comments from Websleuths on the video:


Right at 2:59 Gabby begins explaining to the officer that she's trying to get a travel blog website going and that she's stressed out from working on a video and "...he doesn't really believe I can do any of it..." So yes, they were indeed trying to get a social media gig going and it sounds (as I had suggested Monday) it's a lot harder than people think it is and can be incredibly stressful especially when you're making it on the road. It also sounds like Brian was not supportive of it and perhaps critical.


Just watching this now, and seeing all kinds of red flags, but one that sticks out is when the officer walks back over to Brian, and asks if he or Gabby are on any medication. He replies, "she's crazy," and laughs and waves his hands, like he's just told a hilarious joke to the officers. At 17:05.


He doesn't believe in what she is doing, and he stresses her out. Those are Gabby's words. So terribly sad that this beautiful young girl chose the WRONG person for her, to travel across country. She needed someone who didn't belittle her and criticize the one thing she wanted to do, the blog. She needed someone who wanted to do the same thing. Prayers, prayers, prayers. I can't listen to him.


Just watched the full hour body cam. Incredibly disturbing. She is so scared and innocent and the cops make him the victim. Lots of tropes about “crazy female” who was “clawing at him” with her nails. Meanwhile he presents as a choir boy and joking around with officers the entire time. I cannot believe they left her alone and sent him to a hotel. As a dad to a little girl I am sick. IMO Brian displays the ability to convince the officers he is the good guy while she takes the fall and the charges.


THIS. ALL OF THE ABOVE.

I am the PP who read the police reports and posted that as someone who has experienced that type of abuse, those police reports were full of red flags about Brian. This video confirms it. And yes, most police officers are ill-equipped to see what is REALLY going on. That video is horrible to watch. Brian is a sociopath and I hope the investigative work on this case brings justice for Gabby and her family. Just horrendous. I cannot imagine being her parents and watching that; sickening to see her so distraught and sickening to watch his performance.


Anyone who's dealt with a domestic abuse situation can recognize right away what's going on here. This is really hard to watch, knowing what we know now.


He made friends with the cops, sounded normal, joked and laughed. She sobbed in the back of the cop car and ranted about anxiety. They're the same age and grew up together. Is there any wonder they believed him?