Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I just read this entire thread, start-to-finish. At the beginning, I was in the mass asphyxiation camp, like a gas or carbon monoxide, because I assumed the hikers were on an easy hike, close to their car and were overcome with a freak environmental toxin.

Then, as a few more facts were released, I moved firmly into the heat stroke camp. The fact that the sheriff thought they were near the end of an 8 mile hike. The extremely difficult terrain and elevation, combined with the heat of the day. Learning more about heart stroke and how it can come on suddenly and lead to delirium. I think that a number of plausible scenarios could lead to all 4 of them succumbing close to each other.

I wonder how many pictures they'll find on their phones (assuming they used the dad's phone to take some). I wonder if it will reveal more clues.

I think it's likely that a series of mistakes and bad judgment calls all resulted in a tragic situation. I'm not victim-blaming here. We are only human.

The most reasonable post in this entire thread.

Certainly the most plausible. But both dying so close to each other is quite odd. What are the odds you both have heat stroke / collapse at the same time? What does the healthier of the two do after the first has a heat stroke? That play-by-play is what fascinates me.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I just read this entire thread, start-to-finish. At the beginning, I was in the mass asphyxiation camp, like a gas or carbon monoxide, because I assumed the hikers were on an easy hike, close to their car and were overcome with a freak environmental toxin.

Then, as a few more facts were released, I moved firmly into the heat stroke camp. The fact that the sheriff thought they were near the end of an 8 mile hike. The extremely difficult terrain and elevation, combined with the heat of the day. Learning more about heart stroke and how it can come on suddenly and lead to delirium. I think that a number of plausible scenarios could lead to all 4 of them succumbing close to each other.

I wonder how many pictures they'll find on their phones (assuming they used the dad's phone to take some). I wonder if it will reveal more clues.

I think it's likely that a series of mistakes and bad judgment calls all resulted in a tragic situation. I'm not victim-blaming here. We are only human.

The most reasonable post in this entire thread.

Anonymous wrote:Two adults dying so close together is really strange. Even if the wife collapsed from the heat and they were lost, wouldn't a strong man like him carry her over his shoulder?

But really, the mere act of "hiking" in 100 degree heat with a toddler and dog teases out some mental issues.

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Anonymous wrote:OK this update is weird. They’re closing off all trails around the area due to unidentifed hazards.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/01/us/yosemite-campgrounds-closed-family-death-trnd/index.html

It says: “ unknown hazards found in and around the Savage Lundy Trail."
"Designated recreation sites, roads, and trails in proximity and/or leading to this location will be off limits to public,"

I mis-spoke, LE said yesterday that they started the hike "mid-morning" they were said to have been seen in the car heading in the direction of the trail at 7:45, so they left around that time. Perhaps they stopped for breakfast first. Or maybe the LE spokesperson considers 8 am "mid-morning." My guess is they have data back from the phone or they had a witness come forward from a coffee shop or something.

Anonymous wrote:OK this update is weird. They’re closing off all trails around the area due to unidentifed hazards.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/01/us/yosemite-campgrounds-closed-family-death-trnd/index.html

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yesterday LE said they left for their hike "mid-morning" which is an update on the family having been seen driving in the direction of the trail at 7:45. Maybe they have geo locator data from the phone or perhaps they went out for breakfast and that info is now known to LE. It was in the 90s by 9am and went up significantly after that. Regardless of apps or temps at their home, they would have felt the heat when they got out of the truck. They would have seen the tree cover had burned down (Jon had hiked the trail or part of it prior to the fire). It would have been too hot for the dog and 12 month old before they started.

Source please.

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article253616898.html

https://sierranewsonline.com/mariposa-sheriffs-office-update-on-the-gerrish-chung-family/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Toxicology aside, I think they biggest clues in this investigation are going to come from the GPS data on Jonathon's phone. What time did they start the hike? Which direction did they go? How long did it take? How long did they linger at the river? Was there any wandering or doubling back on the trail? How fast were they moving? All of those questions could be answered.

Sure, put toxicology aside. Likely nothing to see there.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Toxicology aside, I think they biggest clues in this investigation are going to come from the GPS data on Jonathon's phone. What time did they start the hike? Which direction did they go? How long did it take? How long did they linger at the river? Was there any wandering or doubling back on the trail? How fast were they moving? All of those questions could be answered.

This is literally an original point. (I think.)

Doesn't GPS require service? They had no service.

GPS and on board sensors do not require cell service. Some phones and configurations will record some subset of position data on the device for some period of time (days usually). There are also apps that will record granular position data on the device if they're open. So it's a big "it depends". I haven't seen anything official indicating Android vs IPhone though its clear he regularly uses an app that is intended to record position data while hiking.

Anonymous wrote:

Yesterday LE said they left for their hike "mid-morning" which is an update on the family having been seen driving in the direction of the trail at 7:45. Maybe they have geo locator data from the phone or perhaps they went out for breakfast and that info is now known to LE. It was in the 90s by 9am and went up significantly after that. Regardless of apps or temps at their home, they would have felt the heat when they got out of the truck. They would have seen the tree cover had burned down (Jon had hiked the trail or part of it prior to the fire). It would have been too hot for the dog and 12 month old before they started.

Source please.