Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me what a person who is at the scene of a protest has to do to appear NOT to be "resisting arrest" after being sprayed in the face with tear gas, punched repeatedly, and pinned down by multiple adult males? Are you supposed to remain motionless like a corpse while being tear gassed, punched, and sat upon?

Asking for me and my friends who will be attending more protests.

Yes. How do people not realize this? Pretend you're playing freeze-tag if that's what it takes.

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Anonymous wrote:If ICE hadn't removed his LEGAL gun from his waistband, which he was NOT brandishing, it wouldn't have gone off. ICE is at fault, no matter how you slice it.

But if a person is resisting arrest and has a firearm, they have every right to remove it because it is a threat.

he wasn't resisting

Watch the video. He kept trying to get up when they were trying to restrain him.

People like PP are truly ghouls who don't understand physiology. The body's instinct is to react. It's wholly disingenous to say that people who are being attacked should just resist and fall to the ground because you'd have to go against your instincts and your fight or flight response, which is very hard to do, especially under extreme duress. You're not thinking at a moment like that, your body is reacting.

How do people not understand this? Try walking without moving your arms.

But also, at that point, he knew he was being murdered, not arrested. iCE had no authority to arrest him. He had every right to resist.

He may have had the right to resist, but if he hadn’t, he’d likely still be alive

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Anonymous wrote:Pretti allegedly had an Sig P320 - a gun that has a horrible safety issue of letting off shots without a trigger press. It’s a known issue. I wonder if in the process of disarming him a shot from his gun went off and the panic started and shots were directed at him. Not excusing but trying to make sense.

That is exactly what happened. But the left (who knows nothing about guns) wont accept it.

It’s truly fascinating to see how quickly the MAGA story has gone from “he was a domestic terrorist who was trying to assassinate federal agents” to “our agents are a bunch of f$ck ups who negligently discharged a weapon and then freaked out and starting blasting away at the guy.”

It seems more like “the guy had a sh*tty gun, therefore it’s his fault.” This makes the 2A folks happy. Go ahead and bring a gun to a protest, just not a crappy one.

No it only is ok when it's MAGA lunatic with a gun. Like the crazy fat ones in the doughnut shop with six guns strapped to their bodies. In their delusional empty heads they are the "good guys". MAGA are delusional liars.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretti allegedly had an Sig P320 - a gun that has a horrible safety issue of letting off shots without a trigger press. It’s a known issue. I wonder if in the process of disarming him a shot from his gun went off and the panic started and shots were directed at him. Not excusing but trying to make sense.

That is exactly what happened. But the left (who knows nothing about guns) wont accept it.

It’s truly fascinating to see how quickly the MAGA story has gone from “he was a domestic terrorist who was trying to assassinate federal agents” to “our agents are a bunch of f$ck ups who negligently discharged a weapon and then freaked out and starting blasting away at the guy.”

Np here. I remember a time when LEO and federal agents were specifically trained to NOT panic and start shooting wildly at someone’s back at the sound of gunfire. Remember when they had training and skills to deescalate a situation and neutralize a perceived threat or suspect without the loss of life? Those were the days. Turns out 47 days of training (chosen to honor Trump being the 47th president) might not have been sufficient, shockingly.

Is this true?

yep

this is an unserious administration.

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Anonymous wrote:If ICE hadn't removed his LEGAL gun from his waistband, which he was NOT brandishing, it wouldn't have gone off. ICE is at fault, no matter how you slice it.

But if a person is resisting arrest and has a firearm, they have every right to remove it because it is a threat.

he wasn't resisting

Watch the video. He kept trying to get up when they were trying to restrain him.

People like PP are truly ghouls who don't understand physiology. The body's instinct is to react. It's wholly disingenous to say that people who are being attacked should just resist and fall to the ground because you'd have to go against your instincts and your fight or flight response, which is very hard to do, especially under extreme duress. You're not thinking at a moment like that, your body is reacting.

How do people not understand this? Try walking without moving your arms.

I also don't understand the demand that someone who's just been pepper sprayed in the face must remain motionless. I mean at that point your entire system is rebelling against the irritant. Are you going to remain perfectly still if I mace you? No! you will be rubbing your eyes, blowing your nose and doing everything to expel it from your system. The poor guy was probably disoriented and struggling to breathe. These nazis sprayed in the back too, as if someone bending over away from you is a danger!

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Anonymous wrote:Pretti allegedly had an Sig P320 - a gun that has a horrible safety issue of letting off shots without a trigger press. It’s a known issue. I wonder if in the process of disarming him a shot from his gun went off and the panic started and shots were directed at him. Not excusing but trying to make sense.

That is exactly what happened. But the left (who knows nothing about guns) wont accept it.

It’s truly fascinating to see how quickly the MAGA story has gone from “he was a domestic terrorist who was trying to assassinate federal agents” to “our agents are a bunch of f$ck ups who negligently discharged a weapon and then freaked out and starting blasting away at the guy.”

Np here. I remember a time when LEO and federal agents were specifically trained to NOT panic and start shooting wildly at someone’s back at the sound of gunfire. Remember when they had training and skills to deescalate a situation and neutralize a perceived threat or suspect without the loss of life? Those were the days. Turns out 47 days of training (chosen to honor Trump being the 47th president) might not have been sufficient, shockingly.

Is this true?

yep

Anonymous wrote:The pretext for the ICE surge was the "somali fraud" thing, yet...

New from MN department of human services today: “New federal data release by the US Centers for Medicare/medicaid services shows the overall rate of improper payment in Minnesota’s Medicaid program is far below national averages.” 2.1% here compared to 6.1% nationally.

I would make a small bet and win that Florida, Texas and west Virginia is far greater than the national average.

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Anonymous wrote:The same people that call MAGA a cult are now convinced dying as a Martyr to protect illegal immigrants is somehow honorable. Cult indeed.

We aren't protecting illegal immigrants, we are protecting our constitution and the god given rights defined therein. Rights that THIS administration are dismantling.

And Pretti was murdered for helping a woman who had been pushed down. The idea that he was some kind of deliberate martyr. He was just a guy helping someone who was in danger of being hurt.

He was killed because he was dumb enough to bring a loaded gun and interfere with police doing their job. You can spin it however you like, but what an embarrassing legacy.

You mean like this?

So disengenous. You would have cheered from the highest hill if the cops had opened fire on those guys. In your demented mind carrying guns at the capitol while protesting is wrong, but carrying guns and interfering with immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota is just fine.

You seriously need to do some soul searching or maybe some therapy. You know what happened here and you are basically cheering murder on. Just stop.

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Anonymous wrote:If ICE hadn't removed his LEGAL gun from his waistband, which he was NOT brandishing, it wouldn't have gone off. ICE is at fault, no matter how you slice it.

But if a person is resisting arrest and has a firearm, they have every right to remove it because it is a threat.

Why did they need to arrest him in the first place. Is helping another person now a crime? Standing on the side of the road with a phone?

Get the F out of here. Stop rationalizing MURDER.

Under the circumstances, Pretti was interfering with a law enforcement operation by standing in the middle of the street and interfering with the officers' when dealing with agitators. We don't know what was said during the altercation. After he was pepper sprayed, he continued to resist. He should have, at that point, moved away from the situation, especially while carrying a firearm. Not saying he deserved to die, but there are risks you take when putting yourself in that situation.

Indeed. That is exactly what you said. Hell is running out of space for people like you.

Anonymous wrote:The pretext for the ICE surge was the "somali fraud" thing, yet...

New from MN department of human services today: “New federal data release by the US Centers for Medicare/medicaid services shows the overall rate of improper payment in Minnesota’s Medicaid program is far below national averages.” 2.1% here compared to 6.1% nationally.

During his tenure as CEO of the hospital chain Columbia/HCA in the 1990s, Senator Rick Scott (R-FL) presided over a company that committed widespread Medicare and Medicaid fraud, resulting in a $1.7 billion settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ). At the time, it was the largest healthcare fraud settlement in U.S. history.

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Anonymous wrote:The same people that call MAGA a cult are now convinced dying as a Martyr to protect illegal immigrants is somehow honorable. Cult indeed.

We aren't protecting illegal immigrants, we are protecting our constitution and the god given rights defined therein. Rights that THIS administration are dismantling.

And Pretti was murdered for helping a woman who had been pushed down. The idea that he was some kind of deliberate martyr. He was just a guy helping someone who was in danger of being hurt.

He was killed because he was dumb enough to bring a loaded gun and interfere with police doing their job. You can spin it however you like, but what an embarrassing legacy.

You mean like this?

So disengenous. You would have cheered from the highest hill if the cops had opened fire on those guys. In your demented mind carrying guns at the capitol while protesting is wrong, but carrying guns and interfering with immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota is just fine.

Stop projecting. We are not like you people who think this is a blood sport or call of duty as one of the fascist ice officers described the situation. You are projecting your fantasy on others. It is not working

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Anonymous wrote:If ICE hadn't removed his LEGAL gun from his waistband, which he was NOT brandishing, it wouldn't have gone off. ICE is at fault, no matter how you slice it.

But if a person is resisting arrest and has a firearm, they have every right to remove it because it is a threat.

he wasn't resisting

Watch the video. He kept trying to get up when they were trying to restrain him.

People like PP are truly ghouls who don't understand physiology. The body's instinct is to react. It's wholly disingenous to say that people who are being attacked should just resist and fall to the ground because you'd have to go against your instincts and your fight or flight response, which is very hard to do, especially under extreme duress. You're not thinking at a moment like that, your body is reacting.

How do people not understand this? Try walking without moving your arms.

But also, at that point, he knew he was being murdered, not arrested. iCE had no authority to arrest him. He had every right to resist.

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Anonymous wrote:The same people that call MAGA a cult are now convinced dying as a Martyr to protect illegal immigrants is somehow honorable. Cult indeed.

We aren't protecting illegal immigrants, we are protecting our constitution and the god given rights defined therein. Rights that THIS administration are dismantling.

And Pretti was murdered for helping a woman who had been pushed down. The idea that he was some kind of deliberate martyr. He was just a guy helping someone who was in danger of being hurt.

He was killed because he was dumb enough to bring a loaded gun and interfere with police doing their job. You can spin it however you like, but what an embarrassing legacy.

You mean like this?

So disengenous. You would have cheered from the highest hill if the cops had opened fire on those guys. In your demented mind carrying guns at the capitol while protesting is wrong, but carrying guns and interfering with immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota is just fine.

Np. Are guys for concealed carry or not??? Trump has you guys so confused, you don’t have a clue what you stand for anymore. Here’s where I stand.

I think only trained and qualified LE and military should get to carry a gun in public. But that’s not the law. I feel this way because I was once in an active shooter situation where I saw people freak out and lose their minds in panic. Really glad none of them started firing a gun. A retired cop happened to be on the scene and shot the gunman.

The J6 insurrectionists trespassed on federal property and threatened people with those guns, and beat people with them.

We would have never known Pretti had a gun if ICE had not attacked him, took his gun, and accidentally fired it!

You cannot possibly be so dense to not understand the difference.

Can someone tell me what a person who is at the scene of a protest has to do to appear NOT to be "resisting arrest" after being sprayed in the face with tear gas, punched repeatedly, and pinned down by multiple adult males? Are you supposed to remain motionless like a corpse while being tear gassed, punched, and sat upon?

Asking for me and my friends who will be attending more protests.

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Anonymous wrote:If ICE hadn't removed his LEGAL gun from his waistband, which he was NOT brandishing, it wouldn't have gone off. ICE is at fault, no matter how you slice it.

But if a person is resisting arrest and has a firearm, they have every right to remove it because it is a threat.

Why did they need to arrest him in the first place. Is helping another person now a crime? Standing on the side of the road with a phone?

Get the F out of here. Stop rationalizing MURDER.

Under the circumstances, Pretti was interfering with a law enforcement operation by standing in the middle of the street and interfering with the officers' when dealing with agitators. We don't know what was said during the altercation. After he was pepper sprayed, he continued to resist. He should have, at that point, moved away from the situation, especially while carrying a firearm. Not saying he deserved to die, but there are risks you take when putting yourself in that situation.

Anyone who has typed out these words: just for the record, you are indeed saying that.

+1 and if a man trying to help a woman being attacked by the cops is now “interfering with the a police operation” you need to take off your Gestapo glasses and remember that the USA is supposed to be a democracy with a respect for the law, not just how ICE feels like behaving on a given day