Anonymous
12/20/2025 15:15
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
link pleaseAnonymous wrote:They said the opposite on podcast.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clubs already shot this down, 16 to 1 and ECNL guidance is play on age.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, visibility does come from being the best on a good team which is more likely as the oldest instead of the youngest on a team.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the littles 7v7 report.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not allowed.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FYI, teams are blocking playing up an age group. And your knowledge of MLSN1 recruiting matches your knowledge of college recruiting.Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it MLSN1s decision to stay BY will result in multiple months of players looking to play up a level in SY leagues so they get noticed.
Jan-July players in SY leagues will feel pressure to play up as a way to stand out from the crowd and get noticed by MLSN1 coaches. Aug-Dec will feel pressure to play up just to be a part of the crowd that gets considered by MLSN1 coaches.
Which in the end works out for everyone because playing with your grade early sets players up for being looked at by college recuiters when they're older.
Not sure how you turned the original comment into an irrelevant opportunity for you to try to helicopter for your girl and try to make Sept the oldest but it is the only thing you can see.
Hahahaha the reason your ECNL leaders said they dont want players playing up is because if this happens a lot it weakens leagues and boys ECNL cements itself as tier 2.
But, if playing on a BY MLSN1 team is what everyone is going for. Everyone in a SY league will consider playing up.
You can always play up, so it's allowed. But you just have to be really, really good.
Hes just blowing a fuse because the reality of Aug birthdays playing by grade ts starting to dawn on him.
The only reality I see is grade is a factor for some but not for others and the clubs are rolling with it.
This is competitive soccer. The top teams control the leagues. The players parents and coaches fron the top teams will make grade in school a part of the decision process for the teams they play on / coach. It all works together.
Yep, and what I'm seeing at the highest level so far is age/talent > grade.
When your kid gets older getting recruited to play in college takes over which is why if your kid was born in Aug they should play on a team thats their grade asap. Don't let clubs steal your kids long term potential by playing them down for short term wins.
Sorry dude, I'm reporting about 11v11. Funny thing is those who want it about grade aren't about college recruiting. It's more about playing with friends. The ones interested in college still -- they are after the A team and the platform it provides.
Whatever the reason. I actually agree with you that its better for Aug players to play with other kids their grade.
That's not what I said. What I said is players are pursing what's best for them (as they should).
But thers a balance between whats best for your kid and whats best for the team. Players playing the correct grade and working to get recruited to play in college wont appreciate a kid a grade older stealing their minutes.
Nah, I think they'll appreciate another good player on the team they can practice to get better with and maybe win with.
Thats not how it works when you are the best player. You want visability for the next level.
Right and you get visibility by leading the best team possible and standing out on that team. If you're losing minutes, you need to look within, not blame others.
College coaches will see through the trojan horses playing down. If they wanted Juniors in HS theyd recruit from the JV team.
Not sure what you mean. Everything I've seen from scouts/clubs so far seems to indicate, it's about the player, not the grade.
I bet $100 the first thing every college coach wants to know about a player is their graduation year.
Well, duh, so they know when they can come to campus. Beyond that, though, I'm not so sure.
But you said grade in school doesnt matter?
Beyond that the reason you dont want to be an Aug birthday playing on a grade down team is because college coaches are looking for players that can play against older players and be an immediate asset. How would you guage a sophmore thats playing against freshman?
I never said grade doesn't matter. I said the player matters more.
To your question, the way it's working out, that sophomore won't be the only one. Also, there's not a huge difference in level between age groups, especially A teams. Take an elite club that is providing a ton of connections, it'll matter even less. Those clubs might be throwing those coaches a bone, though, if that rumor about GY showcases is true (or that person is just trying to troll you).
If you have a rule or recommendation that Aug playera play with their grade you dont need to do GY showcases. Every game played would be the equivalent of a GY showcase but without the holdbacks.
BTW GY opens 10x more negative doors that you arent expecting. Wait until coaches use Showcase roster or playing time as recruitment tools. Just like they use league Talent ID invites today.
Except an August rule DOESN'T fix it because you have kids born in June, July, Sept, Oct and even November also misaligned.
Fine they play up to.
The alternative is 1-2 years older players play down in GY showcases.
Do you see its two sides of the same coin? Either you incovience a small number f players having them play with their grade or you gift a group of players that are playing down intentionally. Which option do you think is more fair or everyeone involved? Hint, its having Aug and younger players play with their grade.
Why should age groups be 13, 14, even 15 months wide? Sounds a lot like your favoring the oldest in those age groups, who happen to be on grade. Not very fair honestly.
Which option is more or less fair? Having young players play up with their grade or allowing older players to play down in GY showcases?
You get a 13, 14, 15 eligibility window either way.
Except that's just a rumor, likely by people so fed up with you, they're pushing your buttons.
Well I heard that leagues were going to add a recommendation that Aug birthdays (and younger) play on the team that's their grade in school.
No ECNL is considering it because its easy to implement and solves all kinds of issues.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 14:47
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
Anonymous wrote:That's what RAE says. Play as young as possible to be a stand out and long term it creates the best outcome.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"Because I think if you, if you take a kid who is a standout in their own age group and then you put them up a year and they are not able to do the things that make them stand out and be special, I think you risk taking away what makes that player special by putting them into an environment with too much resistance."Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They said the opposite on podcast.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clubs already shot this down, 16 to 1 and ECNL guidance is play on age.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, visibility does come from being the best on a good team which is more likely as the oldest instead of the youngest on a team.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the littles 7v7 report.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not allowed.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FYI, teams are blocking playing up an age group. And your knowledge of MLSN1 recruiting matches your knowledge of college recruiting.Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it MLSN1s decision to stay BY will result in multiple months of players looking to play up a level in SY leagues so they get noticed.
Jan-July players in SY leagues will feel pressure to play up as a way to stand out from the crowd and get noticed by MLSN1 coaches. Aug-Dec will feel pressure to play up just to be a part of the crowd that gets considered by MLSN1 coaches.
Which in the end works out for everyone because playing with your grade early sets players up for being looked at by college recuiters when they're older.
Not sure how you turned the original comment into an irrelevant opportunity for you to try to helicopter for your girl and try to make Sept the oldest but it is the only thing you can see.
Hahahaha the reason your ECNL leaders said they dont want players playing up is because if this happens a lot it weakens leagues and boys ECNL cements itself as tier 2.
But, if playing on a BY MLSN1 team is what everyone is going for. Everyone in a SY league will consider playing up.
You can always play up, so it's allowed. But you just have to be really, really good.
Hes just blowing a fuse because the reality of Aug birthdays playing by grade ts starting to dawn on him.
The only reality I see is grade is a factor for some but not for others and the clubs are rolling with it.
This is competitive soccer. The top teams control the leagues. The players parents and coaches fron the top teams will make grade in school a part of the decision process for the teams they play on / coach. It all works together.
Yep, and what I'm seeing at the highest level so far is age/talent > grade.
When your kid gets older getting recruited to play in college takes over which is why if your kid was born in Aug they should play on a team thats their grade asap. Don't let clubs steal your kids long term potential by playing them down for short term wins.
Sorry dude, I'm reporting about 11v11. Funny thing is those who want it about grade aren't about college recruiting. It's more about playing with friends. The ones interested in college still -- they are after the A team and the platform it provides.
Whatever the reason. I actually agree with you that its better for Aug players to play with other kids their grade.
That's not what I said. What I said is players are pursing what's best for them (as they should).
But thers a balance between whats best for your kid and whats best for the team. Players playing the correct grade and working to get recruited to play in college wont appreciate a kid a grade older stealing their minutes.
Nah, I think they'll appreciate another good player on the team they can practice to get better with and maybe win with.
Thats not how it works when you are the best player. You want visability for the next level.
Right and you get visibility by leading the best team possible and standing out on that team. If you're losing minutes, you need to look within, not blame others.
College coaches will see through the trojan horses playing down. If they wanted Juniors in HS theyd recruit from the JV team.
Not sure what you mean. Everything I've seen from scouts/clubs so far seems to indicate, it's about the player, not the grade.
I bet $100 the first thing every college coach wants to know about a player is their graduation year.
Well, duh, so they know when they can come to campus. Beyond that, though, I'm not so sure.
But you said grade in school doesnt matter?
Beyond that the reason you dont want to be an Aug birthday playing on a grade down team is because college coaches are looking for players that can play against older players and be an immediate asset. How would you guage a sophmore thats playing against freshman?
I never said grade doesn't matter. I said the player matters more.
To your question, the way it's working out, that sophomore won't be the only one. Also, there's not a huge difference in level between age groups, especially A teams. Take an elite club that is providing a ton of connections, it'll matter even less. Those clubs might be throwing those coaches a bone, though, if that rumor about GY showcases is true (or that person is just trying to troll you).
If you have a rule or recommendation that Aug playera play with their grade you dont need to do GY showcases. Every game played would be the equivalent of a GY showcase but without the holdbacks.
BTW GY opens 10x more negative doors that you arent expecting. Wait until coaches use Showcase roster or playing time as recruitment tools. Just like they use league Talent ID invites today.
Except an August rule DOESN'T fix it because you have kids born in June, July, Sept, Oct and even November also misaligned.
Fine they play up to.
The alternative is 1-2 years older players play down in GY showcases.
Do you see its two sides of the same coin? Either you incovience a small number f players having them play with their grade or you gift a group of players that are playing down intentionally. Which option do you think is more fair or everyeone involved? Hint, its having Aug and younger players play with their grade.
Why should age groups be 13, 14, even 15 months wide? Sounds a lot like your favoring the oldest in those age groups, who happen to be on grade. Not very fair honestly.
Which option is more or less fair? Having young players play up with their grade or allowing older players to play down in GY showcases?
You get a 13, 14, 15 eligibility window either way.
Except that's just a rumor, likely by people so fed up with you, they're pushing your buttons.
Well I heard that leagues were going to add a recommendation that Aug birthdays (and younger) play on the team that's their grade in school.
No ECNL is considering it because its easy to implement and solves all kinds of issues.
You're twisting words to fit your narrative.
Almost any kid can be a standout if they're playing down against younger players. All you're doing is stealing other kids opportunities. A true standout player is one that stands out when playing against older players.
Which is exactly why leagues dont want to allow parents to hold their kids back in school so they can play down against younger players. Playing down isn't talent.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 14:45
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
Anonymous wrote:Isn't that a forum of randos speculating on random stuff? Like here. Not the best source.Anonymous wrote:It appears that Socal is recommending players play up in other leagues if they want to play in MLSN Homegrown.
https://socalsoccer.com/threads/the-aug%E2%80%93dec-soccer-disadvantage-for-mls-next.21899/
Uh oh.... More reality raining down.
You should gift them with your intelligence. Im sure they'll love to hear from you.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 14:45
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
That's what RAE says. Play as young as possible to be a stand out and long term it creates the best outcome.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"Because I think if you, if you take a kid who is a standout in their own age group and then you put them up a year and they are not able to do the things that make them stand out and be special, I think you risk taking away what makes that player special by putting them into an environment with too much resistance."Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They said the opposite on podcast.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clubs already shot this down, 16 to 1 and ECNL guidance is play on age.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, visibility does come from being the best on a good team which is more likely as the oldest instead of the youngest on a team.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the littles 7v7 report.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not allowed.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FYI, teams are blocking playing up an age group. And your knowledge of MLSN1 recruiting matches your knowledge of college recruiting.Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it MLSN1s decision to stay BY will result in multiple months of players looking to play up a level in SY leagues so they get noticed.
Jan-July players in SY leagues will feel pressure to play up as a way to stand out from the crowd and get noticed by MLSN1 coaches. Aug-Dec will feel pressure to play up just to be a part of the crowd that gets considered by MLSN1 coaches.
Which in the end works out for everyone because playing with your grade early sets players up for being looked at by college recuiters when they're older.
Not sure how you turned the original comment into an irrelevant opportunity for you to try to helicopter for your girl and try to make Sept the oldest but it is the only thing you can see.
Hahahaha the reason your ECNL leaders said they dont want players playing up is because if this happens a lot it weakens leagues and boys ECNL cements itself as tier 2.
But, if playing on a BY MLSN1 team is what everyone is going for. Everyone in a SY league will consider playing up.
You can always play up, so it's allowed. But you just have to be really, really good.
Hes just blowing a fuse because the reality of Aug birthdays playing by grade ts starting to dawn on him.
The only reality I see is grade is a factor for some but not for others and the clubs are rolling with it.
This is competitive soccer. The top teams control the leagues. The players parents and coaches fron the top teams will make grade in school a part of the decision process for the teams they play on / coach. It all works together.
Yep, and what I'm seeing at the highest level so far is age/talent > grade.
When your kid gets older getting recruited to play in college takes over which is why if your kid was born in Aug they should play on a team thats their grade asap. Don't let clubs steal your kids long term potential by playing them down for short term wins.
Sorry dude, I'm reporting about 11v11. Funny thing is those who want it about grade aren't about college recruiting. It's more about playing with friends. The ones interested in college still -- they are after the A team and the platform it provides.
Whatever the reason. I actually agree with you that its better for Aug players to play with other kids their grade.
That's not what I said. What I said is players are pursing what's best for them (as they should).
But thers a balance between whats best for your kid and whats best for the team. Players playing the correct grade and working to get recruited to play in college wont appreciate a kid a grade older stealing their minutes.
Nah, I think they'll appreciate another good player on the team they can practice to get better with and maybe win with.
Thats not how it works when you are the best player. You want visability for the next level.
Right and you get visibility by leading the best team possible and standing out on that team. If you're losing minutes, you need to look within, not blame others.
College coaches will see through the trojan horses playing down. If they wanted Juniors in HS theyd recruit from the JV team.
Not sure what you mean. Everything I've seen from scouts/clubs so far seems to indicate, it's about the player, not the grade.
I bet $100 the first thing every college coach wants to know about a player is their graduation year.
Well, duh, so they know when they can come to campus. Beyond that, though, I'm not so sure.
But you said grade in school doesnt matter?
Beyond that the reason you dont want to be an Aug birthday playing on a grade down team is because college coaches are looking for players that can play against older players and be an immediate asset. How would you guage a sophmore thats playing against freshman?
I never said grade doesn't matter. I said the player matters more.
To your question, the way it's working out, that sophomore won't be the only one. Also, there's not a huge difference in level between age groups, especially A teams. Take an elite club that is providing a ton of connections, it'll matter even less. Those clubs might be throwing those coaches a bone, though, if that rumor about GY showcases is true (or that person is just trying to troll you).
If you have a rule or recommendation that Aug playera play with their grade you dont need to do GY showcases. Every game played would be the equivalent of a GY showcase but without the holdbacks.
BTW GY opens 10x more negative doors that you arent expecting. Wait until coaches use Showcase roster or playing time as recruitment tools. Just like they use league Talent ID invites today.
Except an August rule DOESN'T fix it because you have kids born in June, July, Sept, Oct and even November also misaligned.
Fine they play up to.
The alternative is 1-2 years older players play down in GY showcases.
Do you see its two sides of the same coin? Either you incovience a small number f players having them play with their grade or you gift a group of players that are playing down intentionally. Which option do you think is more fair or everyeone involved? Hint, its having Aug and younger players play with their grade.
Why should age groups be 13, 14, even 15 months wide? Sounds a lot like your favoring the oldest in those age groups, who happen to be on grade. Not very fair honestly.
Which option is more or less fair? Having young players play up with their grade or allowing older players to play down in GY showcases?
You get a 13, 14, 15 eligibility window either way.
Except that's just a rumor, likely by people so fed up with you, they're pushing your buttons.
Well I heard that leagues were going to add a recommendation that Aug birthdays (and younger) play on the team that's their grade in school.
No ECNL is considering it because its easy to implement and solves all kinds of issues.
You're twisting words to fit your narrative.
Almost any kid can be a standout if they're playing down against younger players. All you're doing is stealing other kids opportunities. A true standout player is one that stands out when playing against older players.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 14:40
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
Anonymous wrote:"Because I think if you, if you take a kid who is a standout in their own age group and then you put them up a year and they are not able to do the things that make them stand out and be special, I think you risk taking away what makes that player special by putting them into an environment with too much resistance."Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They said the opposite on podcast.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clubs already shot this down, 16 to 1 and ECNL guidance is play on age.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, visibility does come from being the best on a good team which is more likely as the oldest instead of the youngest on a team.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the littles 7v7 report.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not allowed.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FYI, teams are blocking playing up an age group. And your knowledge of MLSN1 recruiting matches your knowledge of college recruiting.Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it MLSN1s decision to stay BY will result in multiple months of players looking to play up a level in SY leagues so they get noticed.
Jan-July players in SY leagues will feel pressure to play up as a way to stand out from the crowd and get noticed by MLSN1 coaches. Aug-Dec will feel pressure to play up just to be a part of the crowd that gets considered by MLSN1 coaches.
Which in the end works out for everyone because playing with your grade early sets players up for being looked at by college recuiters when they're older.
Not sure how you turned the original comment into an irrelevant opportunity for you to try to helicopter for your girl and try to make Sept the oldest but it is the only thing you can see.
Hahahaha the reason your ECNL leaders said they dont want players playing up is because if this happens a lot it weakens leagues and boys ECNL cements itself as tier 2.
But, if playing on a BY MLSN1 team is what everyone is going for. Everyone in a SY league will consider playing up.
You can always play up, so it's allowed. But you just have to be really, really good.
Hes just blowing a fuse because the reality of Aug birthdays playing by grade ts starting to dawn on him.
The only reality I see is grade is a factor for some but not for others and the clubs are rolling with it.
This is competitive soccer. The top teams control the leagues. The players parents and coaches fron the top teams will make grade in school a part of the decision process for the teams they play on / coach. It all works together.
Yep, and what I'm seeing at the highest level so far is age/talent > grade.
When your kid gets older getting recruited to play in college takes over which is why if your kid was born in Aug they should play on a team thats their grade asap. Don't let clubs steal your kids long term potential by playing them down for short term wins.
Sorry dude, I'm reporting about 11v11. Funny thing is those who want it about grade aren't about college recruiting. It's more about playing with friends. The ones interested in college still -- they are after the A team and the platform it provides.
Whatever the reason. I actually agree with you that its better for Aug players to play with other kids their grade.
That's not what I said. What I said is players are pursing what's best for them (as they should).
But thers a balance between whats best for your kid and whats best for the team. Players playing the correct grade and working to get recruited to play in college wont appreciate a kid a grade older stealing their minutes.
Nah, I think they'll appreciate another good player on the team they can practice to get better with and maybe win with.
Thats not how it works when you are the best player. You want visability for the next level.
Right and you get visibility by leading the best team possible and standing out on that team. If you're losing minutes, you need to look within, not blame others.
College coaches will see through the trojan horses playing down. If they wanted Juniors in HS theyd recruit from the JV team.
Not sure what you mean. Everything I've seen from scouts/clubs so far seems to indicate, it's about the player, not the grade.
I bet $100 the first thing every college coach wants to know about a player is their graduation year.
Well, duh, so they know when they can come to campus. Beyond that, though, I'm not so sure.
But you said grade in school doesnt matter?
Beyond that the reason you dont want to be an Aug birthday playing on a grade down team is because college coaches are looking for players that can play against older players and be an immediate asset. How would you guage a sophmore thats playing against freshman?
I never said grade doesn't matter. I said the player matters more.
To your question, the way it's working out, that sophomore won't be the only one. Also, there's not a huge difference in level between age groups, especially A teams. Take an elite club that is providing a ton of connections, it'll matter even less. Those clubs might be throwing those coaches a bone, though, if that rumor about GY showcases is true (or that person is just trying to troll you).
If you have a rule or recommendation that Aug playera play with their grade you dont need to do GY showcases. Every game played would be the equivalent of a GY showcase but without the holdbacks.
BTW GY opens 10x more negative doors that you arent expecting. Wait until coaches use Showcase roster or playing time as recruitment tools. Just like they use league Talent ID invites today.
Except an August rule DOESN'T fix it because you have kids born in June, July, Sept, Oct and even November also misaligned.
Fine they play up to.
The alternative is 1-2 years older players play down in GY showcases.
Do you see its two sides of the same coin? Either you incovience a small number f players having them play with their grade or you gift a group of players that are playing down intentionally. Which option do you think is more fair or everyeone involved? Hint, its having Aug and younger players play with their grade.
Why should age groups be 13, 14, even 15 months wide? Sounds a lot like your favoring the oldest in those age groups, who happen to be on grade. Not very fair honestly.
Which option is more or less fair? Having young players play up with their grade or allowing older players to play down in GY showcases?
You get a 13, 14, 15 eligibility window either way.
Except that's just a rumor, likely by people so fed up with you, they're pushing your buttons.
Well I heard that leagues were going to add a recommendation that Aug birthdays (and younger) play on the team that's their grade in school.
No ECNL is considering it because its easy to implement and solves all kinds of issues.
You're twisting words to fit your narrative.
Almost any kid can be a standout if they're playing down against younger players. All you're doing is stealing other kids opportunities. A true standout player is one that stands out when playing against older players.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 14:37
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
Isn't that a forum of randos speculating on random stuff? Like here. Not the best source.Anonymous wrote:It appears that Socal is recommending players play up in other leagues if they want to play in MLSN Homegrown.
https://socalsoccer.com/threads/the-aug%E2%80%93dec-soccer-disadvantage-for-mls-next.21899/
Uh oh.... More reality raining down.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 14:33
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
"Because I think if you, if you take a kid who is a standout in their own age group and then you put them up a year and they are not able to do the things that make them stand out and be special, I think you risk taking away what makes that player special by putting them into an environment with too much resistance."Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They said the opposite on podcast.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clubs already shot this down, 16 to 1 and ECNL guidance is play on age.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, visibility does come from being the best on a good team which is more likely as the oldest instead of the youngest on a team.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the littles 7v7 report.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not allowed.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FYI, teams are blocking playing up an age group. And your knowledge of MLSN1 recruiting matches your knowledge of college recruiting.Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it MLSN1s decision to stay BY will result in multiple months of players looking to play up a level in SY leagues so they get noticed.
Jan-July players in SY leagues will feel pressure to play up as a way to stand out from the crowd and get noticed by MLSN1 coaches. Aug-Dec will feel pressure to play up just to be a part of the crowd that gets considered by MLSN1 coaches.
Which in the end works out for everyone because playing with your grade early sets players up for being looked at by college recuiters when they're older.
Not sure how you turned the original comment into an irrelevant opportunity for you to try to helicopter for your girl and try to make Sept the oldest but it is the only thing you can see.
Hahahaha the reason your ECNL leaders said they dont want players playing up is because if this happens a lot it weakens leagues and boys ECNL cements itself as tier 2.
But, if playing on a BY MLSN1 team is what everyone is going for. Everyone in a SY league will consider playing up.
You can always play up, so it's allowed. But you just have to be really, really good.
Hes just blowing a fuse because the reality of Aug birthdays playing by grade ts starting to dawn on him.
The only reality I see is grade is a factor for some but not for others and the clubs are rolling with it.
This is competitive soccer. The top teams control the leagues. The players parents and coaches fron the top teams will make grade in school a part of the decision process for the teams they play on / coach. It all works together.
Yep, and what I'm seeing at the highest level so far is age/talent > grade.
When your kid gets older getting recruited to play in college takes over which is why if your kid was born in Aug they should play on a team thats their grade asap. Don't let clubs steal your kids long term potential by playing them down for short term wins.
Sorry dude, I'm reporting about 11v11. Funny thing is those who want it about grade aren't about college recruiting. It's more about playing with friends. The ones interested in college still -- they are after the A team and the platform it provides.
Whatever the reason. I actually agree with you that its better for Aug players to play with other kids their grade.
That's not what I said. What I said is players are pursing what's best for them (as they should).
But thers a balance between whats best for your kid and whats best for the team. Players playing the correct grade and working to get recruited to play in college wont appreciate a kid a grade older stealing their minutes.
Nah, I think they'll appreciate another good player on the team they can practice to get better with and maybe win with.
Thats not how it works when you are the best player. You want visability for the next level.
Right and you get visibility by leading the best team possible and standing out on that team. If you're losing minutes, you need to look within, not blame others.
College coaches will see through the trojan horses playing down. If they wanted Juniors in HS theyd recruit from the JV team.
Not sure what you mean. Everything I've seen from scouts/clubs so far seems to indicate, it's about the player, not the grade.
I bet $100 the first thing every college coach wants to know about a player is their graduation year.
Well, duh, so they know when they can come to campus. Beyond that, though, I'm not so sure.
But you said grade in school doesnt matter?
Beyond that the reason you dont want to be an Aug birthday playing on a grade down team is because college coaches are looking for players that can play against older players and be an immediate asset. How would you guage a sophmore thats playing against freshman?
I never said grade doesn't matter. I said the player matters more.
To your question, the way it's working out, that sophomore won't be the only one. Also, there's not a huge difference in level between age groups, especially A teams. Take an elite club that is providing a ton of connections, it'll matter even less. Those clubs might be throwing those coaches a bone, though, if that rumor about GY showcases is true (or that person is just trying to troll you).
If you have a rule or recommendation that Aug playera play with their grade you dont need to do GY showcases. Every game played would be the equivalent of a GY showcase but without the holdbacks.
BTW GY opens 10x more negative doors that you arent expecting. Wait until coaches use Showcase roster or playing time as recruitment tools. Just like they use league Talent ID invites today.
Except an August rule DOESN'T fix it because you have kids born in June, July, Sept, Oct and even November also misaligned.
Fine they play up to.
The alternative is 1-2 years older players play down in GY showcases.
Do you see its two sides of the same coin? Either you incovience a small number f players having them play with their grade or you gift a group of players that are playing down intentionally. Which option do you think is more fair or everyeone involved? Hint, its having Aug and younger players play with their grade.
Why should age groups be 13, 14, even 15 months wide? Sounds a lot like your favoring the oldest in those age groups, who happen to be on grade. Not very fair honestly.
Which option is more or less fair? Having young players play up with their grade or allowing older players to play down in GY showcases?
You get a 13, 14, 15 eligibility window either way.
Except that's just a rumor, likely by people so fed up with you, they're pushing your buttons.
Well I heard that leagues were going to add a recommendation that Aug birthdays (and younger) play on the team that's their grade in school.
No ECNL is considering it because its easy to implement and solves all kinds of issues.
You're twisting words to fit your narrative.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 14:23
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
It appears that Socal is recommending players play up in other leagues if they want to play in MLSN Homegrown.
https://socalsoccer.com/threads/the-aug%E2%80%93dec-soccer-disadvantage-for-mls-next.21899/
Uh oh.... More reality raining down.
https://socalsoccer.com/threads/the-aug%E2%80%93dec-soccer-disadvantage-for-mls-next.21899/
Uh oh.... More reality raining down.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 14:16
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
Anonymous wrote:They said the opposite on podcast.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clubs already shot this down, 16 to 1 and ECNL guidance is play on age.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, visibility does come from being the best on a good team which is more likely as the oldest instead of the youngest on a team.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the littles 7v7 report.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not allowed.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FYI, teams are blocking playing up an age group. And your knowledge of MLSN1 recruiting matches your knowledge of college recruiting.Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it MLSN1s decision to stay BY will result in multiple months of players looking to play up a level in SY leagues so they get noticed.
Jan-July players in SY leagues will feel pressure to play up as a way to stand out from the crowd and get noticed by MLSN1 coaches. Aug-Dec will feel pressure to play up just to be a part of the crowd that gets considered by MLSN1 coaches.
Which in the end works out for everyone because playing with your grade early sets players up for being looked at by college recuiters when they're older.
Not sure how you turned the original comment into an irrelevant opportunity for you to try to helicopter for your girl and try to make Sept the oldest but it is the only thing you can see.
Hahahaha the reason your ECNL leaders said they dont want players playing up is because if this happens a lot it weakens leagues and boys ECNL cements itself as tier 2.
But, if playing on a BY MLSN1 team is what everyone is going for. Everyone in a SY league will consider playing up.
You can always play up, so it's allowed. But you just have to be really, really good.
Hes just blowing a fuse because the reality of Aug birthdays playing by grade ts starting to dawn on him.
The only reality I see is grade is a factor for some but not for others and the clubs are rolling with it.
This is competitive soccer. The top teams control the leagues. The players parents and coaches fron the top teams will make grade in school a part of the decision process for the teams they play on / coach. It all works together.
Yep, and what I'm seeing at the highest level so far is age/talent > grade.
When your kid gets older getting recruited to play in college takes over which is why if your kid was born in Aug they should play on a team thats their grade asap. Don't let clubs steal your kids long term potential by playing them down for short term wins.
Sorry dude, I'm reporting about 11v11. Funny thing is those who want it about grade aren't about college recruiting. It's more about playing with friends. The ones interested in college still -- they are after the A team and the platform it provides.
Whatever the reason. I actually agree with you that its better for Aug players to play with other kids their grade.
That's not what I said. What I said is players are pursing what's best for them (as they should).
But thers a balance between whats best for your kid and whats best for the team. Players playing the correct grade and working to get recruited to play in college wont appreciate a kid a grade older stealing their minutes.
Nah, I think they'll appreciate another good player on the team they can practice to get better with and maybe win with.
Thats not how it works when you are the best player. You want visability for the next level.
Right and you get visibility by leading the best team possible and standing out on that team. If you're losing minutes, you need to look within, not blame others.
College coaches will see through the trojan horses playing down. If they wanted Juniors in HS theyd recruit from the JV team.
Not sure what you mean. Everything I've seen from scouts/clubs so far seems to indicate, it's about the player, not the grade.
I bet $100 the first thing every college coach wants to know about a player is their graduation year.
Well, duh, so they know when they can come to campus. Beyond that, though, I'm not so sure.
But you said grade in school doesnt matter?
Beyond that the reason you dont want to be an Aug birthday playing on a grade down team is because college coaches are looking for players that can play against older players and be an immediate asset. How would you guage a sophmore thats playing against freshman?
I never said grade doesn't matter. I said the player matters more.
To your question, the way it's working out, that sophomore won't be the only one. Also, there's not a huge difference in level between age groups, especially A teams. Take an elite club that is providing a ton of connections, it'll matter even less. Those clubs might be throwing those coaches a bone, though, if that rumor about GY showcases is true (or that person is just trying to troll you).
If you have a rule or recommendation that Aug playera play with their grade you dont need to do GY showcases. Every game played would be the equivalent of a GY showcase but without the holdbacks.
BTW GY opens 10x more negative doors that you arent expecting. Wait until coaches use Showcase roster or playing time as recruitment tools. Just like they use league Talent ID invites today.
Except an August rule DOESN'T fix it because you have kids born in June, July, Sept, Oct and even November also misaligned.
Fine they play up to.
The alternative is 1-2 years older players play down in GY showcases.
Do you see its two sides of the same coin? Either you incovience a small number f players having them play with their grade or you gift a group of players that are playing down intentionally. Which option do you think is more fair or everyeone involved? Hint, its having Aug and younger players play with their grade.
Why should age groups be 13, 14, even 15 months wide? Sounds a lot like your favoring the oldest in those age groups, who happen to be on grade. Not very fair honestly.
Which option is more or less fair? Having young players play up with their grade or allowing older players to play down in GY showcases?
You get a 13, 14, 15 eligibility window either way.
Except that's just a rumor, likely by people so fed up with you, they're pushing your buttons.
Well I heard that leagues were going to add a recommendation that Aug birthdays (and younger) play on the team that's their grade in school.
No ECNL is considering it because its easy to implement and solves all kinds of issues.
You're twisting words to fit your narrative.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 14:10
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
They said the opposite on podcast.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clubs already shot this down, 16 to 1 and ECNL guidance is play on age.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, visibility does come from being the best on a good team which is more likely as the oldest instead of the youngest on a team.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the littles 7v7 report.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not allowed.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FYI, teams are blocking playing up an age group. And your knowledge of MLSN1 recruiting matches your knowledge of college recruiting.Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it MLSN1s decision to stay BY will result in multiple months of players looking to play up a level in SY leagues so they get noticed.
Jan-July players in SY leagues will feel pressure to play up as a way to stand out from the crowd and get noticed by MLSN1 coaches. Aug-Dec will feel pressure to play up just to be a part of the crowd that gets considered by MLSN1 coaches.
Which in the end works out for everyone because playing with your grade early sets players up for being looked at by college recuiters when they're older.
Not sure how you turned the original comment into an irrelevant opportunity for you to try to helicopter for your girl and try to make Sept the oldest but it is the only thing you can see.
Hahahaha the reason your ECNL leaders said they dont want players playing up is because if this happens a lot it weakens leagues and boys ECNL cements itself as tier 2.
But, if playing on a BY MLSN1 team is what everyone is going for. Everyone in a SY league will consider playing up.
You can always play up, so it's allowed. But you just have to be really, really good.
Hes just blowing a fuse because the reality of Aug birthdays playing by grade ts starting to dawn on him.
The only reality I see is grade is a factor for some but not for others and the clubs are rolling with it.
This is competitive soccer. The top teams control the leagues. The players parents and coaches fron the top teams will make grade in school a part of the decision process for the teams they play on / coach. It all works together.
Yep, and what I'm seeing at the highest level so far is age/talent > grade.
When your kid gets older getting recruited to play in college takes over which is why if your kid was born in Aug they should play on a team thats their grade asap. Don't let clubs steal your kids long term potential by playing them down for short term wins.
Sorry dude, I'm reporting about 11v11. Funny thing is those who want it about grade aren't about college recruiting. It's more about playing with friends. The ones interested in college still -- they are after the A team and the platform it provides.
Whatever the reason. I actually agree with you that its better for Aug players to play with other kids their grade.
That's not what I said. What I said is players are pursing what's best for them (as they should).
But thers a balance between whats best for your kid and whats best for the team. Players playing the correct grade and working to get recruited to play in college wont appreciate a kid a grade older stealing their minutes.
Nah, I think they'll appreciate another good player on the team they can practice to get better with and maybe win with.
Thats not how it works when you are the best player. You want visability for the next level.
Right and you get visibility by leading the best team possible and standing out on that team. If you're losing minutes, you need to look within, not blame others.
College coaches will see through the trojan horses playing down. If they wanted Juniors in HS theyd recruit from the JV team.
Not sure what you mean. Everything I've seen from scouts/clubs so far seems to indicate, it's about the player, not the grade.
I bet $100 the first thing every college coach wants to know about a player is their graduation year.
Well, duh, so they know when they can come to campus. Beyond that, though, I'm not so sure.
But you said grade in school doesnt matter?
Beyond that the reason you dont want to be an Aug birthday playing on a grade down team is because college coaches are looking for players that can play against older players and be an immediate asset. How would you guage a sophmore thats playing against freshman?
I never said grade doesn't matter. I said the player matters more.
To your question, the way it's working out, that sophomore won't be the only one. Also, there's not a huge difference in level between age groups, especially A teams. Take an elite club that is providing a ton of connections, it'll matter even less. Those clubs might be throwing those coaches a bone, though, if that rumor about GY showcases is true (or that person is just trying to troll you).
If you have a rule or recommendation that Aug playera play with their grade you dont need to do GY showcases. Every game played would be the equivalent of a GY showcase but without the holdbacks.
BTW GY opens 10x more negative doors that you arent expecting. Wait until coaches use Showcase roster or playing time as recruitment tools. Just like they use league Talent ID invites today.
Except an August rule DOESN'T fix it because you have kids born in June, July, Sept, Oct and even November also misaligned.
Fine they play up to.
The alternative is 1-2 years older players play down in GY showcases.
Do you see its two sides of the same coin? Either you incovience a small number f players having them play with their grade or you gift a group of players that are playing down intentionally. Which option do you think is more fair or everyeone involved? Hint, its having Aug and younger players play with their grade.
Why should age groups be 13, 14, even 15 months wide? Sounds a lot like your favoring the oldest in those age groups, who happen to be on grade. Not very fair honestly.
Which option is more or less fair? Having young players play up with their grade or allowing older players to play down in GY showcases?
You get a 13, 14, 15 eligibility window either way.
Except that's just a rumor, likely by people so fed up with you, they're pushing your buttons.
Well I heard that leagues were going to add a recommendation that Aug birthdays (and younger) play on the team that's their grade in school.
No ECNL is considering it because its easy to implement and solves all kinds of issues.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 13:59
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
Anonymous wrote:Clubs already shot this down, 16 to 1 and ECNL guidance is play on age.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, visibility does come from being the best on a good team which is more likely as the oldest instead of the youngest on a team.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the littles 7v7 report.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not allowed.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FYI, teams are blocking playing up an age group. And your knowledge of MLSN1 recruiting matches your knowledge of college recruiting.Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it MLSN1s decision to stay BY will result in multiple months of players looking to play up a level in SY leagues so they get noticed.
Jan-July players in SY leagues will feel pressure to play up as a way to stand out from the crowd and get noticed by MLSN1 coaches. Aug-Dec will feel pressure to play up just to be a part of the crowd that gets considered by MLSN1 coaches.
Which in the end works out for everyone because playing with your grade early sets players up for being looked at by college recuiters when they're older.
Not sure how you turned the original comment into an irrelevant opportunity for you to try to helicopter for your girl and try to make Sept the oldest but it is the only thing you can see.
Hahahaha the reason your ECNL leaders said they dont want players playing up is because if this happens a lot it weakens leagues and boys ECNL cements itself as tier 2.
But, if playing on a BY MLSN1 team is what everyone is going for. Everyone in a SY league will consider playing up.
You can always play up, so it's allowed. But you just have to be really, really good.
Hes just blowing a fuse because the reality of Aug birthdays playing by grade ts starting to dawn on him.
The only reality I see is grade is a factor for some but not for others and the clubs are rolling with it.
This is competitive soccer. The top teams control the leagues. The players parents and coaches fron the top teams will make grade in school a part of the decision process for the teams they play on / coach. It all works together.
Yep, and what I'm seeing at the highest level so far is age/talent > grade.
When your kid gets older getting recruited to play in college takes over which is why if your kid was born in Aug they should play on a team thats their grade asap. Don't let clubs steal your kids long term potential by playing them down for short term wins.
Sorry dude, I'm reporting about 11v11. Funny thing is those who want it about grade aren't about college recruiting. It's more about playing with friends. The ones interested in college still -- they are after the A team and the platform it provides.
Whatever the reason. I actually agree with you that its better for Aug players to play with other kids their grade.
That's not what I said. What I said is players are pursing what's best for them (as they should).
But thers a balance between whats best for your kid and whats best for the team. Players playing the correct grade and working to get recruited to play in college wont appreciate a kid a grade older stealing their minutes.
Nah, I think they'll appreciate another good player on the team they can practice to get better with and maybe win with.
Thats not how it works when you are the best player. You want visability for the next level.
Right and you get visibility by leading the best team possible and standing out on that team. If you're losing minutes, you need to look within, not blame others.
College coaches will see through the trojan horses playing down. If they wanted Juniors in HS theyd recruit from the JV team.
Not sure what you mean. Everything I've seen from scouts/clubs so far seems to indicate, it's about the player, not the grade.
I bet $100 the first thing every college coach wants to know about a player is their graduation year.
Well, duh, so they know when they can come to campus. Beyond that, though, I'm not so sure.
But you said grade in school doesnt matter?
Beyond that the reason you dont want to be an Aug birthday playing on a grade down team is because college coaches are looking for players that can play against older players and be an immediate asset. How would you guage a sophmore thats playing against freshman?
I never said grade doesn't matter. I said the player matters more.
To your question, the way it's working out, that sophomore won't be the only one. Also, there's not a huge difference in level between age groups, especially A teams. Take an elite club that is providing a ton of connections, it'll matter even less. Those clubs might be throwing those coaches a bone, though, if that rumor about GY showcases is true (or that person is just trying to troll you).
If you have a rule or recommendation that Aug playera play with their grade you dont need to do GY showcases. Every game played would be the equivalent of a GY showcase but without the holdbacks.
BTW GY opens 10x more negative doors that you arent expecting. Wait until coaches use Showcase roster or playing time as recruitment tools. Just like they use league Talent ID invites today.
Except an August rule DOESN'T fix it because you have kids born in June, July, Sept, Oct and even November also misaligned.
Fine they play up to.
The alternative is 1-2 years older players play down in GY showcases.
Do you see its two sides of the same coin? Either you incovience a small number f players having them play with their grade or you gift a group of players that are playing down intentionally. Which option do you think is more fair or everyeone involved? Hint, its having Aug and younger players play with their grade.
Why should age groups be 13, 14, even 15 months wide? Sounds a lot like your favoring the oldest in those age groups, who happen to be on grade. Not very fair honestly.
Which option is more or less fair? Having young players play up with their grade or allowing older players to play down in GY showcases?
You get a 13, 14, 15 eligibility window either way.
Except that's just a rumor, likely by people so fed up with you, they're pushing your buttons.
Well I heard that leagues were going to add a recommendation that Aug birthdays (and younger) play on the team that's their grade in school.
No ECNL is considering it because its easy to implement and solves all kinds of issues.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 13:56
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
Ad hominem attack loss again. Grades and documentation is too inconsistent for a national rule to work.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just using birthdates and no grades is the most fair.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, visibility does come from being the best on a good team which is more likely as the oldest instead of the youngest on a team.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the littles 7v7 report.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not allowed.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FYI, teams are blocking playing up an age group. And your knowledge of MLSN1 recruiting matches your knowledge of college recruiting.Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it MLSN1s decision to stay BY will result in multiple months of players looking to play up a level in SY leagues so they get noticed.
Jan-July players in SY leagues will feel pressure to play up as a way to stand out from the crowd and get noticed by MLSN1 coaches. Aug-Dec will feel pressure to play up just to be a part of the crowd that gets considered by MLSN1 coaches.
Which in the end works out for everyone because playing with your grade early sets players up for being looked at by college recuiters when they're older.
Not sure how you turned the original comment into an irrelevant opportunity for you to try to helicopter for your girl and try to make Sept the oldest but it is the only thing you can see.
Hahahaha the reason your ECNL leaders said they dont want players playing up is because if this happens a lot it weakens leagues and boys ECNL cements itself as tier 2.
But, if playing on a BY MLSN1 team is what everyone is going for. Everyone in a SY league will consider playing up.
You can always play up, so it's allowed. But you just have to be really, really good.
Hes just blowing a fuse because the reality of Aug birthdays playing by grade ts starting to dawn on him.
The only reality I see is grade is a factor for some but not for others and the clubs are rolling with it.
This is competitive soccer. The top teams control the leagues. The players parents and coaches fron the top teams will make grade in school a part of the decision process for the teams they play on / coach. It all works together.
Yep, and what I'm seeing at the highest level so far is age/talent > grade.
When your kid gets older getting recruited to play in college takes over which is why if your kid was born in Aug they should play on a team thats their grade asap. Don't let clubs steal your kids long term potential by playing them down for short term wins.
Sorry dude, I'm reporting about 11v11. Funny thing is those who want it about grade aren't about college recruiting. It's more about playing with friends. The ones interested in college still -- they are after the A team and the platform it provides.
Whatever the reason. I actually agree with you that its better for Aug players to play with other kids their grade.
That's not what I said. What I said is players are pursing what's best for them (as they should).
But thers a balance between whats best for your kid and whats best for the team. Players playing the correct grade and working to get recruited to play in college wont appreciate a kid a grade older stealing their minutes.
Nah, I think they'll appreciate another good player on the team they can practice to get better with and maybe win with.
Thats not how it works when you are the best player. You want visability for the next level.
Right and you get visibility by leading the best team possible and standing out on that team. If you're losing minutes, you need to look within, not blame others.
College coaches will see through the trojan horses playing down. If they wanted Juniors in HS theyd recruit from the JV team.
Not sure what you mean. Everything I've seen from scouts/clubs so far seems to indicate, it's about the player, not the grade.
I bet $100 the first thing every college coach wants to know about a player is their graduation year.
Well, duh, so they know when they can come to campus. Beyond that, though, I'm not so sure.
But you said grade in school doesnt matter?
Beyond that the reason you dont want to be an Aug birthday playing on a grade down team is because college coaches are looking for players that can play against older players and be an immediate asset. How would you guage a sophmore thats playing against freshman?
I never said grade doesn't matter. I said the player matters more.
To your question, the way it's working out, that sophomore won't be the only one. Also, there's not a huge difference in level between age groups, especially A teams. Take an elite club that is providing a ton of connections, it'll matter even less. Those clubs might be throwing those coaches a bone, though, if that rumor about GY showcases is true (or that person is just trying to troll you).
If you have a rule or recommendation that Aug playera play with their grade you dont need to do GY showcases. Every game played would be the equivalent of a GY showcase but without the holdbacks.
BTW GY opens 10x more negative doors that you arent expecting. Wait until coaches use Showcase roster or playing time as recruitment tools. Just like they use league Talent ID invites today.
Except an August rule DOESN'T fix it because you have kids born in June, July, Sept, Oct and even November also misaligned.
Fine they play up to.
The alternative is 1-2 years older players play down in GY showcases.
Do you see its two sides of the same coin? Either you incovience a small number f players having them play with their grade or you gift a group of players that are playing down intentionally. Which option do you think is more fair or everyeone involved? Hint, its having Aug and younger players play with their grade.
When your kid gets older you'll understand.
7v7 is fun though, isnt it.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 13:52
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
Clubs already shot this down, 16 to 1 and ECNL guidance is play on age.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, visibility does come from being the best on a good team which is more likely as the oldest instead of the youngest on a team.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the littles 7v7 report.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not allowed.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FYI, teams are blocking playing up an age group. And your knowledge of MLSN1 recruiting matches your knowledge of college recruiting.Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it MLSN1s decision to stay BY will result in multiple months of players looking to play up a level in SY leagues so they get noticed.
Jan-July players in SY leagues will feel pressure to play up as a way to stand out from the crowd and get noticed by MLSN1 coaches. Aug-Dec will feel pressure to play up just to be a part of the crowd that gets considered by MLSN1 coaches.
Which in the end works out for everyone because playing with your grade early sets players up for being looked at by college recuiters when they're older.
Not sure how you turned the original comment into an irrelevant opportunity for you to try to helicopter for your girl and try to make Sept the oldest but it is the only thing you can see.
Hahahaha the reason your ECNL leaders said they dont want players playing up is because if this happens a lot it weakens leagues and boys ECNL cements itself as tier 2.
But, if playing on a BY MLSN1 team is what everyone is going for. Everyone in a SY league will consider playing up.
You can always play up, so it's allowed. But you just have to be really, really good.
Hes just blowing a fuse because the reality of Aug birthdays playing by grade ts starting to dawn on him.
The only reality I see is grade is a factor for some but not for others and the clubs are rolling with it.
This is competitive soccer. The top teams control the leagues. The players parents and coaches fron the top teams will make grade in school a part of the decision process for the teams they play on / coach. It all works together.
Yep, and what I'm seeing at the highest level so far is age/talent > grade.
When your kid gets older getting recruited to play in college takes over which is why if your kid was born in Aug they should play on a team thats their grade asap. Don't let clubs steal your kids long term potential by playing them down for short term wins.
Sorry dude, I'm reporting about 11v11. Funny thing is those who want it about grade aren't about college recruiting. It's more about playing with friends. The ones interested in college still -- they are after the A team and the platform it provides.
Whatever the reason. I actually agree with you that its better for Aug players to play with other kids their grade.
That's not what I said. What I said is players are pursing what's best for them (as they should).
But thers a balance between whats best for your kid and whats best for the team. Players playing the correct grade and working to get recruited to play in college wont appreciate a kid a grade older stealing their minutes.
Nah, I think they'll appreciate another good player on the team they can practice to get better with and maybe win with.
Thats not how it works when you are the best player. You want visability for the next level.
Right and you get visibility by leading the best team possible and standing out on that team. If you're losing minutes, you need to look within, not blame others.
College coaches will see through the trojan horses playing down. If they wanted Juniors in HS theyd recruit from the JV team.
Not sure what you mean. Everything I've seen from scouts/clubs so far seems to indicate, it's about the player, not the grade.
I bet $100 the first thing every college coach wants to know about a player is their graduation year.
Well, duh, so they know when they can come to campus. Beyond that, though, I'm not so sure.
But you said grade in school doesnt matter?
Beyond that the reason you dont want to be an Aug birthday playing on a grade down team is because college coaches are looking for players that can play against older players and be an immediate asset. How would you guage a sophmore thats playing against freshman?
I never said grade doesn't matter. I said the player matters more.
To your question, the way it's working out, that sophomore won't be the only one. Also, there's not a huge difference in level between age groups, especially A teams. Take an elite club that is providing a ton of connections, it'll matter even less. Those clubs might be throwing those coaches a bone, though, if that rumor about GY showcases is true (or that person is just trying to troll you).
If you have a rule or recommendation that Aug playera play with their grade you dont need to do GY showcases. Every game played would be the equivalent of a GY showcase but without the holdbacks.
BTW GY opens 10x more negative doors that you arent expecting. Wait until coaches use Showcase roster or playing time as recruitment tools. Just like they use league Talent ID invites today.
Except an August rule DOESN'T fix it because you have kids born in June, July, Sept, Oct and even November also misaligned.
Fine they play up to.
The alternative is 1-2 years older players play down in GY showcases.
Do you see its two sides of the same coin? Either you incovience a small number f players having them play with their grade or you gift a group of players that are playing down intentionally. Which option do you think is more fair or everyeone involved? Hint, its having Aug and younger players play with their grade.
Why should age groups be 13, 14, even 15 months wide? Sounds a lot like your favoring the oldest in those age groups, who happen to be on grade. Not very fair honestly.
Which option is more or less fair? Having young players play up with their grade or allowing older players to play down in GY showcases?
You get a 13, 14, 15 eligibility window either way.
Except that's just a rumor, likely by people so fed up with you, they're pushing your buttons.
Well I heard that leagues were going to add a recommendation that Aug birthdays (and younger) play on the team that's their grade in school.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 13:51
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
Good question. Objectively, having everyone play on age for the season makes sense from a stranger ght fairness perspective and then they can do whatever college coaches want for showcases whether it be grade year or height or handedness because these are just exhibitions for the individuals.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, visibility does come from being the best on a good team which is more likely as the oldest instead of the youngest on a team.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the littles 7v7 report.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not allowed.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FYI, teams are blocking playing up an age group. And your knowledge of MLSN1 recruiting matches your knowledge of college recruiting.Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it MLSN1s decision to stay BY will result in multiple months of players looking to play up a level in SY leagues so they get noticed.
Jan-July players in SY leagues will feel pressure to play up as a way to stand out from the crowd and get noticed by MLSN1 coaches. Aug-Dec will feel pressure to play up just to be a part of the crowd that gets considered by MLSN1 coaches.
Which in the end works out for everyone because playing with your grade early sets players up for being looked at by college recuiters when they're older.
Not sure how you turned the original comment into an irrelevant opportunity for you to try to helicopter for your girl and try to make Sept the oldest but it is the only thing you can see.
Hahahaha the reason your ECNL leaders said they dont want players playing up is because if this happens a lot it weakens leagues and boys ECNL cements itself as tier 2.
But, if playing on a BY MLSN1 team is what everyone is going for. Everyone in a SY league will consider playing up.
You can always play up, so it's allowed. But you just have to be really, really good.
Hes just blowing a fuse because the reality of Aug birthdays playing by grade ts starting to dawn on him.
The only reality I see is grade is a factor for some but not for others and the clubs are rolling with it.
This is competitive soccer. The top teams control the leagues. The players parents and coaches fron the top teams will make grade in school a part of the decision process for the teams they play on / coach. It all works together.
Yep, and what I'm seeing at the highest level so far is age/talent > grade.
When your kid gets older getting recruited to play in college takes over which is why if your kid was born in Aug they should play on a team thats their grade asap. Don't let clubs steal your kids long term potential by playing them down for short term wins.
Sorry dude, I'm reporting about 11v11. Funny thing is those who want it about grade aren't about college recruiting. It's more about playing with friends. The ones interested in college still -- they are after the A team and the platform it provides.
Whatever the reason. I actually agree with you that its better for Aug players to play with other kids their grade.
That's not what I said. What I said is players are pursing what's best for them (as they should).
But thers a balance between whats best for your kid and whats best for the team. Players playing the correct grade and working to get recruited to play in college wont appreciate a kid a grade older stealing their minutes.
Nah, I think they'll appreciate another good player on the team they can practice to get better with and maybe win with.
Thats not how it works when you are the best player. You want visability for the next level.
Right and you get visibility by leading the best team possible and standing out on that team. If you're losing minutes, you need to look within, not blame others.
College coaches will see through the trojan horses playing down. If they wanted Juniors in HS theyd recruit from the JV team.
Not sure what you mean. Everything I've seen from scouts/clubs so far seems to indicate, it's about the player, not the grade.
I bet $100 the first thing every college coach wants to know about a player is their graduation year.
Well, duh, so they know when they can come to campus. Beyond that, though, I'm not so sure.
But you said grade in school doesnt matter?
Beyond that the reason you dont want to be an Aug birthday playing on a grade down team is because college coaches are looking for players that can play against older players and be an immediate asset. How would you guage a sophmore thats playing against freshman?
I never said grade doesn't matter. I said the player matters more.
To your question, the way it's working out, that sophomore won't be the only one. Also, there's not a huge difference in level between age groups, especially A teams. Take an elite club that is providing a ton of connections, it'll matter even less. Those clubs might be throwing those coaches a bone, though, if that rumor about GY showcases is true (or that person is just trying to troll you).
If you have a rule or recommendation that Aug playera play with their grade you dont need to do GY showcases. Every game played would be the equivalent of a GY showcase but without the holdbacks.
BTW GY opens 10x more negative doors that you arent expecting. Wait until coaches use Showcase roster or playing time as recruitment tools. Just like they use league Talent ID invites today.
Except an August rule DOESN'T fix it because you have kids born in June, July, Sept, Oct and even November also misaligned.
Fine they play up to.
The alternative is 1-2 years older players play down in GY showcases.
Do you see its two sides of the same coin? Either you incovience a small number f players having them play with their grade or you gift a group of players that are playing down intentionally. Which option do you think is more fair or everyeone involved? Hint, its having Aug and younger players play with their grade.
Why should age groups be 13, 14, even 15 months wide? Sounds a lot like your favoring the oldest in those age groups, who happen to be on grade. Not very fair honestly.
Which option is more or less fair? Having young players play up with their grade or allowing older players to play down in GY showcases?
You get a 13, 14, 15 eligibility window either way.
Anonymous
12/20/2025 13:48
Subject: Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?
Anonymous wrote:Just using birthdates and no grades is the most fair.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, visibility does come from being the best on a good team which is more likely as the oldest instead of the youngest on a team.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the littles 7v7 report.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not allowed.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FYI, teams are blocking playing up an age group. And your knowledge of MLSN1 recruiting matches your knowledge of college recruiting.Anonymous wrote:The more I think about it MLSN1s decision to stay BY will result in multiple months of players looking to play up a level in SY leagues so they get noticed.
Jan-July players in SY leagues will feel pressure to play up as a way to stand out from the crowd and get noticed by MLSN1 coaches. Aug-Dec will feel pressure to play up just to be a part of the crowd that gets considered by MLSN1 coaches.
Which in the end works out for everyone because playing with your grade early sets players up for being looked at by college recuiters when they're older.
Not sure how you turned the original comment into an irrelevant opportunity for you to try to helicopter for your girl and try to make Sept the oldest but it is the only thing you can see.
Hahahaha the reason your ECNL leaders said they dont want players playing up is because if this happens a lot it weakens leagues and boys ECNL cements itself as tier 2.
But, if playing on a BY MLSN1 team is what everyone is going for. Everyone in a SY league will consider playing up.
You can always play up, so it's allowed. But you just have to be really, really good.
Hes just blowing a fuse because the reality of Aug birthdays playing by grade ts starting to dawn on him.
The only reality I see is grade is a factor for some but not for others and the clubs are rolling with it.
This is competitive soccer. The top teams control the leagues. The players parents and coaches fron the top teams will make grade in school a part of the decision process for the teams they play on / coach. It all works together.
Yep, and what I'm seeing at the highest level so far is age/talent > grade.
When your kid gets older getting recruited to play in college takes over which is why if your kid was born in Aug they should play on a team thats their grade asap. Don't let clubs steal your kids long term potential by playing them down for short term wins.
Sorry dude, I'm reporting about 11v11. Funny thing is those who want it about grade aren't about college recruiting. It's more about playing with friends. The ones interested in college still -- they are after the A team and the platform it provides.
Whatever the reason. I actually agree with you that its better for Aug players to play with other kids their grade.
That's not what I said. What I said is players are pursing what's best for them (as they should).
But thers a balance between whats best for your kid and whats best for the team. Players playing the correct grade and working to get recruited to play in college wont appreciate a kid a grade older stealing their minutes.
Nah, I think they'll appreciate another good player on the team they can practice to get better with and maybe win with.
Thats not how it works when you are the best player. You want visability for the next level.
Right and you get visibility by leading the best team possible and standing out on that team. If you're losing minutes, you need to look within, not blame others.
College coaches will see through the trojan horses playing down. If they wanted Juniors in HS theyd recruit from the JV team.
Not sure what you mean. Everything I've seen from scouts/clubs so far seems to indicate, it's about the player, not the grade.
I bet $100 the first thing every college coach wants to know about a player is their graduation year.
Well, duh, so they know when they can come to campus. Beyond that, though, I'm not so sure.
But you said grade in school doesnt matter?
Beyond that the reason you dont want to be an Aug birthday playing on a grade down team is because college coaches are looking for players that can play against older players and be an immediate asset. How would you guage a sophmore thats playing against freshman?
I never said grade doesn't matter. I said the player matters more.
To your question, the way it's working out, that sophomore won't be the only one. Also, there's not a huge difference in level between age groups, especially A teams. Take an elite club that is providing a ton of connections, it'll matter even less. Those clubs might be throwing those coaches a bone, though, if that rumor about GY showcases is true (or that person is just trying to troll you).
If you have a rule or recommendation that Aug playera play with their grade you dont need to do GY showcases. Every game played would be the equivalent of a GY showcase but without the holdbacks.
BTW GY opens 10x more negative doors that you arent expecting. Wait until coaches use Showcase roster or playing time as recruitment tools. Just like they use league Talent ID invites today.
Except an August rule DOESN'T fix it because you have kids born in June, July, Sept, Oct and even November also misaligned.
Fine they play up to.
The alternative is 1-2 years older players play down in GY showcases.
Do you see its two sides of the same coin? Either you incovience a small number f players having them play with their grade or you gift a group of players that are playing down intentionally. Which option do you think is more fair or everyeone involved? Hint, its having Aug and younger players play with their grade.
When your kid gets older you'll understand.
7v7 is fun though, isnt it.