Anonymous
06/17/2022 02:13
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Jen was completely self centered before the divorce. She hasn’t changed.
Anonymous
06/17/2022 02:05
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:I also thought Brandon did something bad financially. Like really bad. Maybe skimmed off the top of Legacy Collective.
Same suspicions
Anonymous
06/17/2022 00:22
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Ahh I can’t do it. Believe me I’d love to share her name and thought about it as I was writing the post. But I can’t. That feels too far.
My friend group snarks on her enough. And honestly, just like this thread it comes from frustration at who they have become. My friend has some good in her but it’s disappeared in her MLM and influencer/life coach life that feeds into all the worst parts of her. And she just has chosen that more so and more so even as her true friends all backed away. She’s doubled down. Just like Jen.
And I’m sure we all know people like that. Wanna be influencers or MLM’ers. 8/10 posts are filtered selfies with what they think are deep or profound words of wisdom. Super filtered life just propping up their own self.
And if you don’t know anyone just look up the health and wellness MLM chicks. They are all the same. Doubly so if they are Christians.
My friend group snarks on her enough. And honestly, just like this thread it comes from frustration at who they have become. My friend has some good in her but it’s disappeared in her MLM and influencer/life coach life that feeds into all the worst parts of her. And she just has chosen that more so and more so even as her true friends all backed away. She’s doubled down. Just like Jen.
And I’m sure we all know people like that. Wanna be influencers or MLM’ers. 8/10 posts are filtered selfies with what they think are deep or profound words of wisdom. Super filtered life just propping up their own self.
And if you don’t know anyone just look up the health and wellness MLM chicks. They are all the same. Doubly so if they are Christians.
Anonymous
06/16/2022 23:16
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:This thread and Jen in general is WILD to me because I have a friend who is so much like Jen it's insane. Church kid, married a pastor, family who loved and doted on her like she hung the literal moon. She is the star of the family and all of the world. She is THE SAME. It's uncanny.
So while I see that Jen isn't necessarily a narcissist due to neglected upbringing, there is another way. My friend is also a social media person (got her platform from weight loss MLM and somehow entwining being skinny on a 1000 a day diet and following Jesus the same thing. They were pastors too but were such obnoxious people who use others and trample up their backs it didn't last. The money was too good from the MLM to answer the phone call at 1am to pastor a sick person.
She thinks every thought and observation she has is just wisdom from on high. "Date night is so important you guys." um thanks. You've been married 4 weeks longer than I have..spare me the super insightful observations with the highly filtered selfie and inspiring font.
She has burned so many friendships in our circle because she's a user and a climber. The ones that stick are literal doormats who will fan her flame. It's so BIZARRE watching these two women live parallel fake and obnoxious lives.
Four years ago I would say these two women were as different as night and day but Jen has become the same person as her.
It's awful to watch and because I know this other person up close, it's horrid to think this is who Jen is.
How did we as women become such an easy mark for the influencer world? The worst people in our society make money off the very thing that makes them the worst. Self centered, climbers, shrewd calculating users of others to find and keep the spotlight. Just utter insanity that it keeps working.
Umm please share your friend's Instagram handle, so we can go investigate and appreciate these similarities you speak of.
Anonymous
06/16/2022 20:08
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:This thread and Jen in general is WILD to me because I have a friend who is so much like Jen it's insane. Church kid, married a pastor, family who loved and doted on her like she hung the literal moon. She is the star of the family and all of the world. She is THE SAME. It's uncanny.
So while I see that Jen isn't necessarily a narcissist due to neglected upbringing, there is another way. My friend is also a social media person (got her platform from weight loss MLM and somehow entwining being skinny on a 1000 a day diet and following Jesus the same thing. They were pastors too but were such obnoxious people who use others and trample up their backs it didn't last. The money was too good from the MLM to answer the phone call at 1am to pastor a sick person.
She thinks every thought and observation she has is just wisdom from on high. "Date night is so important you guys." um thanks. You've been married 4 weeks longer than I have..spare me the super insightful observations with the highly filtered selfie and inspiring font.
She has burned so many friendships in our circle because she's a user and a climber. The ones that stick are literal doormats who will fan her flame. It's so BIZARRE watching these two women live parallel fake and obnoxious lives.
Four years ago I would say these two women were as different as night and day but Jen has become the same person as her.
It's awful to watch and because I know this other person up close, it's horrid to think this is who Jen is.
How did we as women become such an easy mark for the influencer world? The worst people in our society make money off the very thing that makes them the worst. Self centered, climbers, shrewd calculating users of others to find and keep the spotlight. Just utter insanity that it keeps working.
Not me wanting to know who your friend is so I can snark on her, too! LOL
Anonymous
06/16/2022 19:35
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Somebody on here said her last book bombed. Was that Moxie? And how do you know? Where can you find that kind of info?
Anonymous
06/16/2022 18:28
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Thank you for helping us understand the wealth generating power of these influencer’s posts. That’s kind of insane. I totally agree her behavior seems like a person who is aging and stockpiling for retirement because she doesn’t know when the bottom is going drop out. One wrong move in the influencer world and she could be cancelled. It’s a tenuous way to support your life when you are the sole provider. Not having Brandon as back up is a real loss. This kind of explains why she seems bent on becoming the poster child for the issue de jour, relevance is wealth making.
Anonymous
06/16/2022 17:54
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
This thread and Jen in general is WILD to me because I have a friend who is so much like Jen it's insane. Church kid, married a pastor, family who loved and doted on her like she hung the literal moon. She is the star of the family and all of the world. She is THE SAME. It's uncanny.
So while I see that Jen isn't necessarily a narcissist due to neglected upbringing, there is another way. My friend is also a social media person (got her platform from weight loss MLM and somehow entwining being skinny on a 1000 a day diet and following Jesus the same thing. They were pastors too but were such obnoxious people who use others and trample up their backs it didn't last. The money was too good from the MLM to answer the phone call at 1am to pastor a sick person.
She thinks every thought and observation she has is just wisdom from on high. "Date night is so important you guys." um thanks. You've been married 4 weeks longer than I have..spare me the super insightful observations with the highly filtered selfie and inspiring font.
She has burned so many friendships in our circle because she's a user and a climber. The ones that stick are literal doormats who will fan her flame. It's so BIZARRE watching these two women live parallel fake and obnoxious lives.
Four years ago I would say these two women were as different as night and day but Jen has become the same person as her.
It's awful to watch and because I know this other person up close, it's horrid to think this is who Jen is.
How did we as women become such an easy mark for the influencer world? The worst people in our society make money off the very thing that makes them the worst. Self centered, climbers, shrewd calculating users of others to find and keep the spotlight. Just utter insanity that it keeps working.
So while I see that Jen isn't necessarily a narcissist due to neglected upbringing, there is another way. My friend is also a social media person (got her platform from weight loss MLM and somehow entwining being skinny on a 1000 a day diet and following Jesus the same thing. They were pastors too but were such obnoxious people who use others and trample up their backs it didn't last. The money was too good from the MLM to answer the phone call at 1am to pastor a sick person.
She thinks every thought and observation she has is just wisdom from on high. "Date night is so important you guys." um thanks. You've been married 4 weeks longer than I have..spare me the super insightful observations with the highly filtered selfie and inspiring font.
She has burned so many friendships in our circle because she's a user and a climber. The ones that stick are literal doormats who will fan her flame. It's so BIZARRE watching these two women live parallel fake and obnoxious lives.
Four years ago I would say these two women were as different as night and day but Jen has become the same person as her.
It's awful to watch and because I know this other person up close, it's horrid to think this is who Jen is.
How did we as women become such an easy mark for the influencer world? The worst people in our society make money off the very thing that makes them the worst. Self centered, climbers, shrewd calculating users of others to find and keep the spotlight. Just utter insanity that it keeps working.
Anonymous
06/16/2022 16:48
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
A little insight into her “influencer” money…
I’m a blogger turned social media influencer (gag-that word) with only a little over 20,000 followers on Instagram and make an average of $1,00 per paid post. My community is engaged but NOTHING like Jen’s. And I have a friend with a following about Jen’s size who brings in no less than $10,000 per post. So even if she did two sponsored posts a month she’d be killing it. Plus, once you start to gain a following and have a few successful campaigns under your belt you can ask for more incentives. I suspect that almost all of her travel is covered in by sponsors. So she’s bringing in lots of money (and perks) through social media, but she’s also still getting paid royalties on her past books. I don’t know a lot about the publishing world but would guess those numbers are nothing to sneeze at either. Plus she has her book club, plus whatever course she happens to be selling at the time, plus the sale of the lake house… she is NOT desperate for money. But I do think it’s worth mentioning that even the social media sponsored posts and other streams of revenue probably do not compare to what she was making for all of her speaking engagements before. So even though she’s not desperate for money the way we might view it, she’s probably living in a state of constant anxiety because social media culture is as fickle (if not more) than the conservative world she was alienated from, by her own grandstanding and attention seeking. So it kind of feels to me like she’s trying to make every penny she can because she doesn’t see herself as someone with a safety net anymore.
Also, I think she’s always viewed her followers as a means to an end. The end, of course, fame and money. It’s just a lot more obvious now than it ever has been before.
I’m a blogger turned social media influencer (gag-that word) with only a little over 20,000 followers on Instagram and make an average of $1,00 per paid post. My community is engaged but NOTHING like Jen’s. And I have a friend with a following about Jen’s size who brings in no less than $10,000 per post. So even if she did two sponsored posts a month she’d be killing it. Plus, once you start to gain a following and have a few successful campaigns under your belt you can ask for more incentives. I suspect that almost all of her travel is covered in by sponsors. So she’s bringing in lots of money (and perks) through social media, but she’s also still getting paid royalties on her past books. I don’t know a lot about the publishing world but would guess those numbers are nothing to sneeze at either. Plus she has her book club, plus whatever course she happens to be selling at the time, plus the sale of the lake house… she is NOT desperate for money. But I do think it’s worth mentioning that even the social media sponsored posts and other streams of revenue probably do not compare to what she was making for all of her speaking engagements before. So even though she’s not desperate for money the way we might view it, she’s probably living in a state of constant anxiety because social media culture is as fickle (if not more) than the conservative world she was alienated from, by her own grandstanding and attention seeking. So it kind of feels to me like she’s trying to make every penny she can because she doesn’t see herself as someone with a safety net anymore.
Also, I think she’s always viewed her followers as a means to an end. The end, of course, fame and money. It’s just a lot more obvious now than it ever has been before.
Anonymous
06/16/2022 16:47
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:https://www.compass.com/listing/525-ellen-williams-loop-kingsland-tx-78639/624506012130935745/
This one shows how pretty she got it all staged. It makes me sad for them all. What a neat family retreat and great rental money maker. Divorce sucks.
How much of her crazy is unresolved grief? Brandon may have been a sort of governor for her weaknesses and now that’s gone. See my compassion keeps coming back.
Dang! You guys are GOOD! Well done! 👏🏻
Anonymous
06/16/2022 16:06
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Brandon found his new love very quickly after their parting. I get the feeling being a couple of good old fashioned working joes with his lady, who just focus on each other, suits him better. Let’s face it his new gal is younger, skinnier and cuter than Jen. That is acid in the wound. Jen was all true love waits, married at 19 then has her world split in half. That would make anyone go a little mad. Cause there he is immediately gushing over his new life. His new gal is thrilled cause she has this solid big hearted guy who loves to give extravagant gifts and she’s no longer carrying the load alone.
It’s another layer of grief. Doesn’t explain the wild uptick in shrilling but…
Brandon seems happier. I’m happy for him. It’s a douche move to cheat if that’s what happened. And I give a lot of credit to Jen for not going entirely off the deep end and going Snapped on his ass if that’s what took place. I don’t know how I would handle it personally but also know I’ve not made my fortune selling happiness. Ya girl has no fortune to speak of LOL. I guess we cannot tell others how to learn their lessons, but you think this would be an excellent opportunity to let her followers know that she was off the mark for how she presented herself.
Anonymous
06/16/2022 15:59
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Meanwhile Brandon found his new love very quickly after their parting. I get the feeling being a couple of good old fashioned working joes with his lady, who just focus on each other, suits him better. Let’s face it his new gal is younger, skinnier and cuter than Jen. That is acid in the wound. Jen was all true love waits, married at 19 then has her world split in half. That would make anyone go a little mad. Cause there he is immediately gushing over his new life. His new gal is thrilled cause she has this solid big hearted guy who loves to give extravagant gifts and she’s no longer carrying the load alone.
It’s another layer of grief. Doesn’t explain the wild uptick in shrilling but…
It’s another layer of grief. Doesn’t explain the wild uptick in shrilling but…
Anonymous
06/16/2022 15:53
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This message board rocks! I get on every day lately, hoping for new content, and am never disappointed. Let's all keep up the discussion, because it's part of my daily routine now.
Morning routine before kids wake and chaos ensues:
-put on face serum **not an advertisement**
-feed cats
-make coffee
-check Jen Hatmaker message board
I love you people. You are so smart, hilarious, and have just the right amount of snark. This is better than my 1997 weekly subscription to US Weekly.
And we love you back!!!
Now I just need something like this to exist for the other pseudo religious imbecilic Christian celebrities I take issue with. LOL
Anonymous
06/16/2022 15:44
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
https://www.compass.com/listing/525-ellen-williams-loop-kingsland-tx-78639/624506012130935745/
This one shows how pretty she got it all staged. It makes me sad for them all. What a neat family retreat and great rental money maker. Divorce sucks.
How much of her crazy is unresolved grief? Brandon may have been a sort of governor for her weaknesses and now that’s gone. See my compassion keeps coming back.
This one shows how pretty she got it all staged. It makes me sad for them all. What a neat family retreat and great rental money maker. Divorce sucks.
How much of her crazy is unresolved grief? Brandon may have been a sort of governor for her weaknesses and now that’s gone. See my compassion keeps coming back.
Anonymous
06/16/2022 15:33
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Bought for $795K in October of 2015, the height of The Hatmaker Thing. They probably put 20% down and financed the rest as interest rates were very low then. So they financed around $636K.
Sold for just under $1M in Oct of 2020, right after the announcement of the divorce. They probably after five years or so reduced their debt load by $150K on the property.
Texas is a comm. property state, meaning if they sold the property for 1M and still owed $450K in it, then split it two ways (assuming there was no realtor fees), they each walked away with $275K, of which they had to pay capital gains on as this wasn't their primary residence. So yeah, they probably walked away with around $200K in cash. Not bad.
Sold for just under $1M in Oct of 2020, right after the announcement of the divorce. They probably after five years or so reduced their debt load by $150K on the property.
Texas is a comm. property state, meaning if they sold the property for 1M and still owed $450K in it, then split it two ways (assuming there was no realtor fees), they each walked away with $275K, of which they had to pay capital gains on as this wasn't their primary residence. So yeah, they probably walked away with around $200K in cash. Not bad.