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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Shiv changed her vote because she knew Ken couldn’t do it; she chose to be closest to power, and that is staying with Tom.

Maybe a mix of both, but I think she was sincere in saying Ken couldn't do it. And why would she need to stay close to power? The Gojo deal made her far richer than Tom the frontman will ever be.

Because they all know - plainly stated in the season 1 finale - that anyone can be super rich; they need the company to have power.

Sure, but what does mere proximity to power get her?

It’s mere proximity to power either way, folks.

Shiv had no role in Waystar beyond board member (and she’s still a board member, though not sure how that works with the acquisition).

Roman and Kendall boxed her out at CEO. Matsson dangled it and pulled it away. Sell, don’t sell, either way Shiv has no real power and is simply being promised things by men who have no history of ever coming through for her (sound familiar?).

There is no “win” for Shiv. I think she voted for the deal because it offers some closure. It’s over. She can stop pretending she and her sibs are going to run things together (they weren’t, it would be all Kendall, and she was right he’d be awful). The sale means it’s done.

I don’t know what to make of the Tom of it all. I don’t think she’s choosing him at all, much less choosing him so she can stay in proximity to power (she knows he’s an empty suit). I think she’ll probably wind up living on her own and doing her own thing whether they stay married or not.

Worst case, she’s her mom (rich, idle, annoying, bad mom). Best case, she starts her own comms company (she’s actually good at it, and very well connected in that world), makes an effort to be a better mom than hers was, and actually builds a little something for herself outside the world of Waystar and her family.

You really don’t see Shiv as the writers did, she lacks the capacity for love.

I think the actress communicated a warmer underbelly, with fleeting moments of warmth toward Tom and even the desire to keep the child, not a particularly rational choice under the circumstances. The rapprochement with the mom also seemed nice, and genuine. The first time we saw her behave like an actual mother. Bullying father and absent mother informed her apparent incapacity for love, but I thought there was some evidence it could develop.

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Anonymous wrote:Colin looking out for Kendall is like a last gift from Logan. Colin is doing it out of his affection for Logan.

Why can’t the Pierce deal still go through? Aren’t the kids under contract with Pierce?

Good question. What happened to the Pierce deal?

At one point in Barbados, I think, Shiv floats the idea of letting the GoJo deal go through and proceeding with their previous plans, but the boys dismiss it. They could, theoretically, acquire Pierce with the proceeds from the GoJo deal, but that would require them to work together and that doesn’t look likely. In any case, the idea of them building/acquiring their own media empire was even more far fetched than taking over Waystar, and that was always a fantasy.

Shiv never suggests that, her mother does.

I just scrolled through to make sure I’m not getting dementia, and it was Shiv. They were sitting out on the patio drinking rum punch after Kendall arrived. Shiv suggests letting the deal go through and going back to their previous plans for The Hundred. The Mom later also suggests “a clean start” would be good at dinner, but it all just proves the same point — they were never serious about any of it and really don’t have the capacity to pull it off.

I agree. Nobody here has mentioned what Sandy said as she was voting in the board room, I don’t remember word for word, but along the lines of, “Yes, because we want out.” I think that Shiv heard that, among the many other factors going into her vote.

I also think that Roman deliberately insulted Kendall in the side room to give Shiv a chance to run. I was worried that Kendall was going to physically push her. I am relieved that the pregnancy survived the season.

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Anonymous wrote:Was Kendall hurting Roman's injuries while "hugging" him? Roman looked like he was going to puke in the board meeting. The dysfunction and toxicity, wow.

My take on that scene was that Roman himself was digging his injury into Kendall's forehead. Perhaps trying to feel the pain of it all. That was a very touching and sad scene.

What? No.

Yes. Rewatch.

PP here - I apologize. I just rewatched it myself and saw that it was Kendall who was pushing Roman’s forehead into his shoulder really hard. Not Roman doing it to himself. My bad.

Really? I'm the PP who first posted about this, and that's what I thought (Ken inflicting pain). I rewatched and honestly couldn't tell for sure.

I think it was ambiguous on purpose. Just like the hand holding scene in the limo with Shiv and Tom. Was there love there or not?

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Anonymous wrote:Colin looking out for Kendall is like a last gift from Logan. Colin is doing it out of his affection for Logan.

Why can’t the Pierce deal still go through? Aren’t the kids under contract with Pierce?

Good question. What happened to the Pierce deal?

At one point in Barbados, I think, Shiv floats the idea of letting the GoJo deal go through and proceeding with their previous plans, but the boys dismiss it. They could, theoretically, acquire Pierce with the proceeds from the GoJo deal, but that would require them to work together and that doesn’t look likely. In any case, the idea of them building/acquiring their own media empire was even more far fetched than taking over Waystar, and that was always a fantasy.

Shiv never suggests that, her mother does.

I just scrolled through to make sure I’m not getting dementia, and it was Shiv. They were sitting out on the patio drinking rum punch after Kendall arrived. Shiv suggests letting the deal go through and going back to their previous plans for The Hundred. The Mom later also suggests “a clean start” would be good at dinner, but it all just proves the same point — they were never serious about any of it and really don’t have the capacity to pull it off.

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Anonymous wrote:Was Kendall hurting Roman's injuries while "hugging" him? Roman looked like he was going to puke in the board meeting. The dysfunction and toxicity, wow.

My take on that scene was that Roman himself was digging his injury into Kendall's forehead. Perhaps trying to feel the pain of it all. That was a very touching and sad scene.

What? No.

Yes. Rewatch.

PP here - I apologize. I just rewatched it myself and saw that it was Kendall who was pushing Roman’s forehead into his shoulder really hard. Not Roman doing it to himself. My bad.

Really? I'm the PP who first posted about this, and that's what I thought (Ken inflicting pain). I rewatched and honestly couldn't tell for sure.

I think it was ambiguous on purpose. Just like the hand holding scene in the limo with Shiv and Tom. Was there love there or not?

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Anonymous wrote:Was Kendall hurting Roman's injuries while "hugging" him? Roman looked like he was going to puke in the board meeting. The dysfunction and toxicity, wow.

My take on that scene was that Roman himself was digging his injury into Kendall's forehead. Perhaps trying to feel the pain of it all. That was a very touching and sad scene.

What? No.

Yes. Rewatch.

PP here - I apologize. I just rewatched it myself and saw that it was Kendall who was pushing Roman’s forehead into his shoulder really hard. Not Roman doing it to himself. My bad.

Really? I'm the PP who first posted about this, and that's what I thought (Ken inflicting pain). I rewatched and honestly couldn't tell for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Was Kendall hurting Roman's injuries while "hugging" him? Roman looked like he was going to puke in the board meeting. The dysfunction and toxicity, wow.

My take on that scene was that Roman himself was digging his injury into Kendall's forehead. Perhaps trying to feel the pain of it all. That was a very touching and sad scene.

What? No.

Yes. Rewatch.

PP here - I apologize. I just rewatched it myself and saw that it was Kendall who was pushing Roman’s forehead into his shoulder really hard. Not Roman doing it to himself. My bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Was Kendall hurting Roman's injuries while "hugging" him? Roman looked like he was going to puke in the board meeting. The dysfunction and toxicity, wow.

My take on that scene was that Roman himself was digging his injury into Kendall's forehead. Perhaps trying to feel the pain of it all. That was a very touching and sad scene.

What? No.

Yes. Rewatch.

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Anonymous wrote:Greg is just Tom Jr. always angling for the best deal for him.

Yes, but stupider.

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I couldn't figure out why Greg chose to warn Shiv about not getting CEO. I thought his loyalties were with Tom?

Greg was playing both sides.

And Greg didn't warn Shiv. He warned Kendall. Greg didn't know what Kendall would do with that information.

Greg didn’t know it was Tom. He only thought Tom wasn’t getting fired. Then Tom disappeared and Greg was using the translator app and only saw that mattson was not going to go with shiv- an alternative was not known to him when he told Kendall.

No one said Greg knew it was Tom? Just that he warned Kendall. Kendall told Shiv. It's not clear if Greg knew that Kendall and Shiv were talking at that point.

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Anonymous wrote:Greg is just Tom Jr. always angling for the best deal for him.

Yes, but stupider.

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I couldn't figure out why Greg chose to warn Shiv about not getting CEO. I thought his loyalties were with Tom?

Greg was playing both sides.

And Greg didn't warn Shiv. He warned Kendall. Greg didn't know what Kendall would do with that information.

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Anonymous wrote:Was Kendall hurting Roman's injuries while "hugging" him? Roman looked like he was going to puke in the board meeting. The dysfunction and toxicity, wow.

Roman was pushing his injuries on Kendall to physically feel the pain he was emotionally feeling. Like cutting.

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Anonymous wrote:Was Kendall hurting Roman's injuries while "hugging" him? Roman looked like he was going to puke in the board meeting. The dysfunction and toxicity, wow.

My take on that scene was that Roman himself was digging his injury into Kendall's forehead. Perhaps trying to feel the pain of it all. That was a very touching and sad scene.

What? No.

Anonymous wrote:I know Kendall was a bad person, but the actor was so good that his sadness was just so haunting. Everything I’m doing today that has nothing to do with the show, but I just keep getting flashes of his sad puppy face and that music!