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Anonymous wrote:Is there any cut off score..? We have composite score of 121, quant at 95 percentile, verbal at 87 and non verbal at 75.

There is a cut off for automatically having a packet made. It's top 10% of your school right now. Historically kids well below that cut off will get in and kids well above that cut off (at any school) will not, based on holistic factors. If AAP sounds like a match for your kid, parent refer.

How do you know it’s 10% of the school? There are 60 2nd grader in my school. Are you saying we are one of the 6 kids who got the notification?

The 10% per school is publicly released information. It was also shared at the info session for level 4.

I don't think it's 10% students at every school. My understanding is it is top 10% scorers.

No. It is 10% per school. FCPS used to do the top 10% countywide but changed it to 10% per school. This was a change to get more kids from lower performing schools into AAP.

I'm not questioning it's 10% per school. It's the top 10% scorers in each school. Not 10% of the student body.

No it’s 10% of the second grade student body.

My kid did not get a universal screener designation with a 139. I understand that FCPS kids do better than average on these tests, but I would be surprised if there were 10% of kids in his class with a higher score, unless I’m reading the z score wrong, that means that 10% of the kids in his second grade class got greater than a ~99.5%.

Are we sure it’s top 10%?

One thing I’ll say is this. We know that the individual tests are 100 mean 15 sd, max 160. We know the total score is max 175, but AFAIK (despite all the claims upthread) there’s no public info on the distribution of the total score (there is one reference somewhere that says there are two different ways of combining them, but not even sure of that).

Totally fair. Someone did post a url that had a PowerPoint that made it seem like the distribution was 100 with a std dev of 15 or 16, but it was not a bastion of clarity.

Immaterial now, but in case anyone is keeping track for future years, 139 on NGAT was not a universal screener score for my kid.

which elementary is this ( high school division?) If you are in the McLean or Langley area that makes sense, or Vienna.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any cut off score..? We have composite score of 121, quant at 95 percentile, verbal at 87 and non verbal at 75.

There is a cut off for automatically having a packet made. It's top 10% of your school right now. Historically kids well below that cut off will get in and kids well above that cut off (at any school) will not, based on holistic factors. If AAP sounds like a match for your kid, parent refer.

How do you know it’s 10% of the school? There are 60 2nd grader in my school. Are you saying we are one of the 6 kids who got the notification?

The 10% per school is publicly released information. It was also shared at the info session for level 4.

I don't think it's 10% students at every school. My understanding is it is top 10% scorers.

No. It is 10% per school. FCPS used to do the top 10% countywide but changed it to 10% per school. This was a change to get more kids from lower performing schools into AAP.

I'm not questioning it's 10% per school. It's the top 10% scorers in each school. Not 10% of the student body.

No it’s 10% of the second grade student body.

My kid did not get a universal screener designation with a 139. I understand that FCPS kids do better than average on these tests, but I would be surprised if there were 10% of kids in his class with a higher score, unless I’m reading the z score wrong, that means that 10% of the kids in his second grade class got greater than a ~99.5%.

Are we sure it’s top 10%?

One thing I’ll say is this. We know that the individual tests are 100 mean 15 sd, max 160. We know the total score is max 175, but AFAIK (despite all the claims upthread) there’s no public info on the distribution of the total score (there is one reference somewhere that says there are two different ways of combining them, but not even sure of that).

Totally fair. Someone did post a url that had a PowerPoint that made it seem like the distribution was 100 with a std dev of 15 or 16, but it was not a bastion of clarity.

Immaterial now, but in case anyone is keeping track for future years, 139 on NGAT was not a universal screener score for my kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any cut off score..? We have composite score of 121, quant at 95 percentile, verbal at 87 and non verbal at 75.

There is a cut off for automatically having a packet made. It's top 10% of your school right now. Historically kids well below that cut off will get in and kids well above that cut off (at any school) will not, based on holistic factors. If AAP sounds like a match for your kid, parent refer.

How do you know it’s 10% of the school? There are 60 2nd grader in my school. Are you saying we are one of the 6 kids who got the notification?

The 10% per school is publicly released information. It was also shared at the info session for level 4.

I don't think it's 10% students at every school. My understanding is it is top 10% scorers.

No. It is 10% per school. FCPS used to do the top 10% countywide but changed it to 10% per school. This was a change to get more kids from lower performing schools into AAP.

I'm not questioning it's 10% per school. It's the top 10% scorers in each school. Not 10% of the student body.

No it’s 10% of the second grade student body.

My kid did not get a universal screener designation with a 139. I understand that FCPS kids do better than average on these tests, but I would be surprised if there were 10% of kids in his class with a higher score, unless I’m reading the z score wrong, that means that 10% of the kids in his second grade class got greater than a ~99.5%.

Are we sure it’s top 10%?

One thing I’ll say is this. We know that the individual tests are 100 mean 15 sd, max 160. We know the total score is max 175, but AFAIK (despite all the claims upthread) there’s no public info on the distribution of the total score (there is one reference somewhere that says there are two different ways of combining them, but not even sure of that).

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any cut off score..? We have composite score of 121, quant at 95 percentile, verbal at 87 and non verbal at 75.

There is a cut off for automatically having a packet made. It's top 10% of your school right now. Historically kids well below that cut off will get in and kids well above that cut off (at any school) will not, based on holistic factors. If AAP sounds like a match for your kid, parent refer.

How do you know it’s 10% of the school? There are 60 2nd grader in my school. Are you saying we are one of the 6 kids who got the notification?

The 10% per school is publicly released information. It was also shared at the info session for level 4.

I don't think it's 10% students at every school. My understanding is it is top 10% scorers.

No. It is 10% per school. FCPS used to do the top 10% countywide but changed it to 10% per school. This was a change to get more kids from lower performing schools into AAP.

I'm not questioning it's 10% per school. It's the top 10% scorers in each school. Not 10% of the student body.

No it’s 10% of the second grade student body.

That makes no sense. We have about 80 kids in our centre school. Are you saying only 8 kids will get the in pool notification?

There were schools where less then 10% of the student body were in-pool when they used a County wide score of 132. They shifted to local school norms to capture the top 10% at each school.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any cut off score..? We have composite score of 121, quant at 95 percentile, verbal at 87 and non verbal at 75.

There is a cut off for automatically having a packet made. It's top 10% of your school right now. Historically kids well below that cut off will get in and kids well above that cut off (at any school) will not, based on holistic factors. If AAP sounds like a match for your kid, parent refer.

How do you know it’s 10% of the school? There are 60 2nd grader in my school. Are you saying we are one of the 6 kids who got the notification?

The 10% per school is publicly released information. It was also shared at the info session for level 4.

I don't think it's 10% students at every school. My understanding is it is top 10% scorers.

No. It is 10% per school. FCPS used to do the top 10% countywide but changed it to 10% per school. This was a change to get more kids from lower performing schools into AAP.

I'm not questioning it's 10% per school. It's the top 10% scorers in each school. Not 10% of the student body.

No it’s 10% of the second grade student body.

My kid did not get a universal screener designation with a 139. I understand that FCPS kids do better than average on these tests, but I would be surprised if there were 10% of kids in his class with a higher score, unless I’m reading the z score wrong, that means that 10% of the kids in his second grade class got greater than a ~99.5%.

Are we sure it’s top 10%?

It is the top 10% and yes, other kids scored better than yours at your school. People were asking where to get prep materials within days of the new test being announced. Kids are in academic enrichment starting in pre-K. Not every kid who scores high on these tests has been prepped or been going for math since they were 4 but a surprisingly number have done just that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3w792x0ggyo I give you the South Korean educational culture to read about so you understand the cram school, test prep phenomenon as it comes out of South Korea. And yes, other Asian countries are doing the same thing. It is a different set of cultural norms.

My DD was not in pool and got in.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any cut off score..? We have composite score of 121, quant at 95 percentile, verbal at 87 and non verbal at 75.

There is a cut off for automatically having a packet made. It's top 10% of your school right now. Historically kids well below that cut off will get in and kids well above that cut off (at any school) will not, based on holistic factors. If AAP sounds like a match for your kid, parent refer.

How do you know it’s 10% of the school? There are 60 2nd grader in my school. Are you saying we are one of the 6 kids who got the notification?

The 10% per school is publicly released information. It was also shared at the info session for level 4.

I don't think it's 10% students at every school. My understanding is it is top 10% scorers.

No. It is 10% per school. FCPS used to do the top 10% countywide but changed it to 10% per school. This was a change to get more kids from lower performing schools into AAP.

I'm not questioning it's 10% per school. It's the top 10% scorers in each school. Not 10% of the student body.

No it’s 10% of the second grade student body.

My kid did not get a universal screener designation with a 139. I understand that FCPS kids do better than average on these tests, but I would be surprised if there were 10% of kids in his class with a higher score, unless I’m reading the z score wrong, that means that 10% of the kids in his second grade class got greater than a ~99.5%.

Are we sure it’s top 10%?

Anonymous wrote:But the AAP class at our well regarded centre school is about 20-25 kids. So if only 8 kids are getting the in pool notification, then they are surely accepting kids beyond the top 10%

First, the center AAP kids in 3rd will come from several elementary schools' 2nd grade classes. Not every school is a center, so kids from other surrounding schools who get into level 4 can choose to join your center. So they are not just coming out of those 80 kids in your second grade class. They might come from 300 other kids in four other second grade classes.

Second, there are other pathways to referrals to be considered like teacher/staff and parent referrals.

But the AAP class at our well regarded centre school is about 20-25 kids. So if only 8 kids are getting the in pool notification, then they are surely accepting kids beyond the top 10%

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any cut off score..? We have composite score of 121, quant at 95 percentile, verbal at 87 and non verbal at 75.

There is a cut off for automatically having a packet made. It's top 10% of your school right now. Historically kids well below that cut off will get in and kids well above that cut off (at any school) will not, based on holistic factors. If AAP sounds like a match for your kid, parent refer.

How do you know it’s 10% of the school? There are 60 2nd grader in my school. Are you saying we are one of the 6 kids who got the notification?

The 10% per school is publicly released information. It was also shared at the info session for level 4.

I don't think it's 10% students at every school. My understanding is it is top 10% scorers.

No. It is 10% per school. FCPS used to do the top 10% countywide but changed it to 10% per school. This was a change to get more kids from lower performing schools into AAP.

I'm not questioning it's 10% per school. It's the top 10% scorers in each school. Not 10% of the student body.

No it’s 10% of the second grade student body.

Do you have a link to this?

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/advanced-academic-programs-aap/family-resources-advanced-academic-program-aap/screening

See the part on local building norms.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any cut off score..? We have composite score of 121, quant at 95 percentile, verbal at 87 and non verbal at 75.

There is a cut off for automatically having a packet made. It's top 10% of your school right now. Historically kids well below that cut off will get in and kids well above that cut off (at any school) will not, based on holistic factors. If AAP sounds like a match for your kid, parent refer.

How do you know it’s 10% of the school? There are 60 2nd grader in my school. Are you saying we are one of the 6 kids who got the notification?

The 10% per school is publicly released information. It was also shared at the info session for level 4.

I don't think it's 10% students at every school. My understanding is it is top 10% scorers.

No. It is 10% per school. FCPS used to do the top 10% countywide but changed it to 10% per school. This was a change to get more kids from lower performing schools into AAP.

I'm not questioning it's 10% per school. It's the top 10% scorers in each school. Not 10% of the student body.

No it’s 10% of the second grade student body.

Do you have a link to this?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any cut off score..? We have composite score of 121, quant at 95 percentile, verbal at 87 and non verbal at 75.

There is a cut off for automatically having a packet made. It's top 10% of your school right now. Historically kids well below that cut off will get in and kids well above that cut off (at any school) will not, based on holistic factors. If AAP sounds like a match for your kid, parent refer.

How do you know it’s 10% of the school? There are 60 2nd grader in my school. Are you saying we are one of the 6 kids who got the notification?

The 10% per school is publicly released information. It was also shared at the info session for level 4.

I don't think it's 10% students at every school. My understanding is it is top 10% scorers.

No. It is 10% per school. FCPS used to do the top 10% countywide but changed it to 10% per school. This was a change to get more kids from lower performing schools into AAP.

I'm not questioning it's 10% per school. It's the top 10% scorers in each school. Not 10% of the student body.

No it’s 10% of the second grade student body.

That makes no sense. We have about 80 kids in our centre school. Are you saying only 8 kids will get the in pool notification?

Yes. AAP is designed to be a program for those kids who "may not have an academic peer group" in their current school. That means it's relative to the current school only and the performance of other students at that school (not nationally, and not countywide). By that logic they are choosing to pull out 10% from each school.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any cut off score..? We have composite score of 121, quant at 95 percentile, verbal at 87 and non verbal at 75.

There is a cut off for automatically having a packet made. It's top 10% of your school right now. Historically kids well below that cut off will get in and kids well above that cut off (at any school) will not, based on holistic factors. If AAP sounds like a match for your kid, parent refer.

How do you know it’s 10% of the school? There are 60 2nd grader in my school. Are you saying we are one of the 6 kids who got the notification?

The 10% per school is publicly released information. It was also shared at the info session for level 4.

I don't think it's 10% students at every school. My understanding is it is top 10% scorers.

No. It is 10% per school. FCPS used to do the top 10% countywide but changed it to 10% per school. This was a change to get more kids from lower performing schools into AAP.

I'm not questioning it's 10% per school. It's the top 10% scorers in each school. Not 10% of the student body.

No it’s 10% of the second grade student body.

That makes no sense. We have about 80 kids in our centre school. Are you saying only 8 kids will get the in pool notification?

Yes. That is why the scores needed to get in-pool are so much higher for certain competitive schools than others.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any cut off score..? We have composite score of 121, quant at 95 percentile, verbal at 87 and non verbal at 75.

There is a cut off for automatically having a packet made. It's top 10% of your school right now. Historically kids well below that cut off will get in and kids well above that cut off (at any school) will not, based on holistic factors. If AAP sounds like a match for your kid, parent refer.

How do you know it’s 10% of the school? There are 60 2nd grader in my school. Are you saying we are one of the 6 kids who got the notification?

The 10% per school is publicly released information. It was also shared at the info session for level 4.

I don't think it's 10% students at every school. My understanding is it is top 10% scorers.

No. It is 10% per school. FCPS used to do the top 10% countywide but changed it to 10% per school. This was a change to get more kids from lower performing schools into AAP.

I'm not questioning it's 10% per school. It's the top 10% scorers in each school. Not 10% of the student body.

No it’s 10% of the second grade student body.

That makes no sense. We have about 80 kids in our centre school. Are you saying only 8 kids will get the in pool notification?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any cut off score..? We have composite score of 121, quant at 95 percentile, verbal at 87 and non verbal at 75.

There is a cut off for automatically having a packet made. It's top 10% of your school right now. Historically kids well below that cut off will get in and kids well above that cut off (at any school) will not, based on holistic factors. If AAP sounds like a match for your kid, parent refer.

How do you know it’s 10% of the school? There are 60 2nd grader in my school. Are you saying we are one of the 6 kids who got the notification?

The 10% per school is publicly released information. It was also shared at the info session for level 4.

I don't think it's 10% students at every school. My understanding is it is top 10% scorers.

No. It is 10% per school. FCPS used to do the top 10% countywide but changed it to 10% per school. This was a change to get more kids from lower performing schools into AAP.

I'm not questioning it's 10% per school. It's the top 10% scorers in each school. Not 10% of the student body.

No it’s 10% of the second grade student body.