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Anonymous wrote:He has “handlers”?
I think he wrote it.
I really hope they offer some type of departure - Vera, DRP or something - after the budget is finalized in September.

+1. Keeping this job is not worth RTO.

Was the first week that traumatizing?

Thanks for that. No, it wasn’t. But there isn’t any point, the commute adds stress, and I am missing time with my family and kids. In the grand scheme of life, it’s just not worth it to me, financially or otherwise.

Everyone can feel their own feels and make their own decisions. That is how I feel and if there is another exit road coming up, I am going to take it.

THIS. Honestly it was a big deal for me - I'm close in so it wasn't a marathon commute. I too see no point in it. I have been wanting to go out on my own for a while, but yeah this confirmed I'm doing it. I'm going to hang in for a while and use my time at work to plot out that next step bc why not get paid to do that. But after that I'm out. If there's a VSIP in that time, great. If not, there's a date circled on a calendar anyway. Yes it's a risk but there's more to life than sitting in a box for a few more decades for a pension.

*was not a big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:He has “handlers”?
I think he wrote it.
I really hope they offer some type of departure - Vera, DRP or something - after the budget is finalized in September.

+1. Keeping this job is not worth RTO.

Was the first week that traumatizing?

Thanks for that. No, it wasn’t. But there isn’t any point, the commute adds stress, and I am missing time with my family and kids. In the grand scheme of life, it’s just not worth it to me, financially or otherwise.

Everyone can feel their own feels and make their own decisions. That is how I feel and if there is another exit road coming up, I am going to take it.

THIS. Honestly it was a big deal for me - I'm close in so it wasn't a marathon commute. I too see no point in it. I have been wanting to go out on my own for a while, but yeah this confirmed I'm doing it. I'm going to hang in for a while and use my time at work to plot out that next step bc why not get paid to do that. But after that I'm out. If there's a VSIP in that time, great. If not, there's a date circled on a calendar anyway. Yes it's a risk but there's more to life than sitting in a box for a few more decades for a pension.

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Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?

Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.

I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.

I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.

When do LA and Philly go remote? I know there were dates in that email but don’t recall. IDK if I were LA or Philly right now I’d be worried that they’ll quietly put everyone on admin leave when the leases run out and then close those offices. Wasn’t that part of the plan for SEC - to consolidate and make it more DC centric? I hope I’m wrong. But I also don’t see how a few hundred ppl in LA and Philly makes them bring telework back.

Anyone else thing it’s shady that Paul hasn’t been sworn in yet? Is he having cold feet?

I always assumed he had to start at the beginning of a pay period like the rest of us plebes so could be Monday.

I heard Friday at the earliest - so it keeps being pushed back. Rumor has it he’s also unreachable - like not responding to calls or emails from commissioners. Not the mark of someone who wants to do this and was a commissioner himself who thought highly of the place. He’s either not coming or he’s going to come in and very quickly step down to “spend time with family.”

I also heard he was unreachable earlier in the week. When I heard this news there was some thought he would start Monday, but perhaps things have changed. It was clear that he’d been radio silent no one really had a clue when he would start. I’ve also heard that he wants to be sworn in at the White House and that the delay was related to scheduling.

Heard the WH swearing in thing too. We're not getting telework back - he's a true believer folks.

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Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?

Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.

I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.

I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.

When do LA and Philly go remote? I know there were dates in that email but don’t recall. IDK if I were LA or Philly right now I’d be worried that they’ll quietly put everyone on admin leave when the leases run out and then close those offices. Wasn’t that part of the plan for SEC - to consolidate and make it more DC centric? I hope I’m wrong. But I also don’t see how a few hundred ppl in LA and Philly makes them bring telework back.

Anyone else thing it’s shady that Paul hasn’t been sworn in yet? Is he having cold feet?

I always assumed he had to start at the beginning of a pay period like the rest of us plebes so could be Monday.

I heard Friday at the earliest - so it keeps being pushed back. Rumor has it he’s also unreachable - like not responding to calls or emails from commissioners. Not the mark of someone who wants to do this and was a commissioner himself who thought highly of the place. He’s either not coming or he’s going to come in and very quickly step down to “spend time with family.”

I also heard he was unreachable earlier in the week. When I heard this news there was some thought he would start Monday, but perhaps things have changed. It was clear that he’d been radio silent no one really had a clue when he would start. I’ve also heard that he wants to be sworn in at the White House and that the delay was related to scheduling.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He has “handlers”?
I think he wrote it.
I really hope they offer some type of departure - Vera, DRP or something - after the budget is finalized in September.

+1. Keeping this job is not worth RTO.

Was the first week that traumatizing?

Thanks for that. No, it wasn’t. But there isn’t any point, the commute adds stress, and I am missing time with my family and kids. In the grand scheme of life, it’s just not worth it to me, financially or otherwise.

Everyone can feel their own feels and make their own decisions. That is how I feel and if there is another exit road coming up, I am going to take it.

Anonymous wrote:So how was the week for everyone - besides the spring breakers?

Horrible? Can you keep doing it as long as you need to - like you get a new job, get old enough for a VERA etc? Anyone thinking of just quitting w no job? Or was it NBD?

I am taking 2 hours of leave per day to handle getting kids on the bus + commute. I have a ton of leave so I can do this for the next year. Option 2 is to go part time towards the end of the year if it doesn't seem like there is more flexibility.

My office was a single that they made into a double so it is really tight. It is also really hot in my part of the building. I didn't realize how much my back would hurt from taking the train every day...I'm clearly getting old.

I like seeing everyone wearing sneakers, that's kinda fun.

nothing is changing for the good or better within my ENF group. more work is piled on when it could be done differently but the expectations are the same, processes a the same.

So how was the week for everyone - besides the spring breakers?

Horrible? Can you keep doing it as long as you need to - like you get a new job, get old enough for a VERA etc? Anyone thinking of just quitting w no job? Or was it NBD?

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Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?

Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.

I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.

I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.

When do LA and Philly go remote? I know there were dates in that email but don’t recall. IDK if I were LA or Philly right now I’d be worried that they’ll quietly put everyone on admin leave when the leases run out and then close those offices. Wasn’t that part of the plan for SEC - to consolidate and make it more DC centric? I hope I’m wrong. But I also don’t see how a few hundred ppl in LA and Philly makes them bring telework back.

Anyone else thing it’s shady that Paul hasn’t been sworn in yet? Is he having cold feet?

I always assumed he had to start at the beginning of a pay period like the rest of us plebes so could be Monday.

I heard Friday at the earliest - so it keeps being pushed back. Rumor has it he’s also unreachable - like not responding to calls or emails from commissioners. Not the mark of someone who wants to do this and was a commissioner himself who thought highly of the place. He’s either not coming or he’s going to come in and very quickly step down to “spend time with family.”

News reporting when he was being picked indicated that he was reluctant to take the job. Supposedly didn't want to clean up GGs mess (unclear whether that was related to the budget situation or the regulatory situation). I think all of the DOGE craziness started after he agreed to do it as well. OTOH I'm sure he owes some favors to the people that bought his consulting firm from him so he's probably locked in.

And the very clear insider trading by the WH was the day of his confirmation and now he comes in knowing that’ll happen for 4 years and there’s nothing he can do about it. He was an old school SEC institutionalist while he was here - I assume this concerns him.

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Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?

Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.

I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.

I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.

When do LA and Philly go remote? I know there were dates in that email but don’t recall. IDK if I were LA or Philly right now I’d be worried that they’ll quietly put everyone on admin leave when the leases run out and then close those offices. Wasn’t that part of the plan for SEC - to consolidate and make it more DC centric? I hope I’m wrong. But I also don’t see how a few hundred ppl in LA and Philly makes them bring telework back.

Anyone else thing it’s shady that Paul hasn’t been sworn in yet? Is he having cold feet?

I always assumed he had to start at the beginning of a pay period like the rest of us plebes so could be Monday.

I heard Friday at the earliest - so it keeps being pushed back. Rumor has it he’s also unreachable - like not responding to calls or emails from commissioners. Not the mark of someone who wants to do this and was a commissioner himself who thought highly of the place. He’s either not coming or he’s going to come in and very quickly step down to “spend time with family.”

News reporting when he was being picked indicated that he was reluctant to take the job. Supposedly didn't want to clean up GGs mess (unclear whether that was related to the budget situation or the regulatory situation). I think all of the DOGE craziness started after he agreed to do it as well. OTOH I'm sure he owes some favors to the people that bought his consulting firm from him so he's probably locked in.

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Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?

Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.

I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.

I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.

When do LA and Philly go remote? I know there were dates in that email but don’t recall. IDK if I were LA or Philly right now I’d be worried that they’ll quietly put everyone on admin leave when the leases run out and then close those offices. Wasn’t that part of the plan for SEC - to consolidate and make it more DC centric? I hope I’m wrong. But I also don’t see how a few hundred ppl in LA and Philly makes them bring telework back.

Anyone else thing it’s shady that Paul hasn’t been sworn in yet? Is he having cold feet?

I always assumed he had to start at the beginning of a pay period like the rest of us plebes so could be Monday.

I heard Friday at the earliest - so it keeps being pushed back. Rumor has it he’s also unreachable - like not responding to calls or emails from commissioners. Not the mark of someone who wants to do this and was a commissioner himself who thought highly of the place. He’s either not coming or he’s going to come in and very quickly step down to “spend time with family.”

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Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?

Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.

I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.

I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.

I am not sure if understand how lucky we are that there have been no rifs and we got a compensation adjustment for 2025. I am grateful for my job and my team is intact.

I don't get this attitude. First off, how do know we won't have a RIF? And second, for all the talk out there, I am not sure that people have been riffed. Other than HHS and the huge targets like usaid and cfpb, who else? SEC was never a target so not sure why I should be so glad to not be riffed. When the other financial regulator gets riffed then I will be very glad if we can actually avoid it.

Well said. There have been more posts on DCUM about “RIFs” than there are actual people who have been RIF’d!

Because they won’t come out and say “you’re safe from being riffed” so I can buy a second car to make RTO less of a nightmare. And they won’t say “you are on the list to be riffed” so I can cancel my kids’ Catholic school contract and get my house on the market. And they certainly aren’t giving me the vibe that I can just relax and trust them to take care of me.

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Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?

Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.

I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.

I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.

I am not sure if understand how lucky we are that there have been no rifs and we got a compensation adjustment for 2025. I am grateful for my job and my team is intact.

I don't get this attitude. First off, how do know we won't have a RIF? And second, for all the talk out there, I am not sure that people have been riffed. Other than HHS and the huge targets like usaid and cfpb, who else? SEC was never a target so not sure why I should be so glad to not be riffed. When the other financial regulator gets riffed then I will be very glad if we can actually avoid it.

Well said. There have been more posts on DCUM about “RIFs” than there are actual people who have been RIF’d!

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Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?

Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.

I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.

I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.

When do LA and Philly go remote? I know there were dates in that email but don’t recall. IDK if I were LA or Philly right now I’d be worried that they’ll quietly put everyone on admin leave when the leases run out and then close those offices. Wasn’t that part of the plan for SEC - to consolidate and make it more DC centric? I hope I’m wrong. But I also don’t see how a few hundred ppl in LA and Philly makes them bring telework back.

Anyone else thing it’s shady that Paul hasn’t been sworn in yet? Is he having cold feet?

Probably cold feet. If you’re in your 60s and worth $300 million with your own company, why on earth would you choose to go “lead” an organization where you have zero authority and just have to implement whatever opm and doge tells you to? While morale is zero
and your budget is likely to be severely cut. Doesn’t sound very interesting, fun, or career enhancing.

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Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?

Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.

I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.

I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.

When do LA and Philly go remote? I know there were dates in that email but don’t recall. IDK if I were LA or Philly right now I’d be worried that they’ll quietly put everyone on admin leave when the leases run out and then close those offices. Wasn’t that part of the plan for SEC - to consolidate and make it more DC centric? I hope I’m wrong. But I also don’t see how a few hundred ppl in LA and Philly makes them bring telework back.

Anyone else thing it’s shady that Paul hasn’t been sworn in yet? Is he having cold feet?

I always assumed he had to start at the beginning of a pay period like the rest of us plebes so could be Monday.