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Anonymous wrote:Here are some of my favorite answers so far:

1. It promotes segregation.

2. It's anti-union

3. My job gave me a DEIB reading list and threaten to fire me if I didn't read them.

4. It's only for Black people.

5. Schools can't teach anything unless it includes DEIB. Including math.

6. It's racist towards Latinos and Asians.

7. It causes bullying.

8. My child feels terrible about being white.

7. I hate meetings.

8. It's getting shoved down my throat. (No evidence)

I seriously can’t tell if this person is a troll (who actually agrees with DEI critics) because this list is so ridiculous.

Anonymous wrote:Here are some of my favorite answers so far:

1. It promotes segregation.

2. It's anti-union

3. My job gave me a DEIB reading list and threaten to fire me if I didn't read them.

4. It's only for Black people.

5. Schools can't teach anything unless it includes DEIB. Including math.

6. It's racist towards Latinos and Asians.

7. It causes bullying.

8. My child feels terrible about being white.

7. I hate meetings.

8. It's getting shoved down my throat. (No evidence)

Anonymous wrote:Here are some of my favorite answers so far:

1. It promotes segregation.

2. It's anti-union

3. My job gave me a DEIB reading list and threaten to fire me if I didn't read them.

4. It's only for Black people.

5. Schools can't teach anything unless it includes DEIB. Including math.

6. It's racist towards Latinos and Asians.

7. It causes bullying.

8. My child feels terrible about being white.

7. I hate meetings.

8. It's getting shoved down my throat. (No evidence)

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Anonymous wrote:How about having DEI actually be about Diversity and Inclusion instead of Division and Exclusion.

How about schools teach kids to read and write and understand basic chronological history? And let parents instruct their children in the moral complexities of multiculturalism?

That too. But there is a lot of educational value in learning about other cultures and world history.

For example: learning about anti-Asian laws and the building of the railroads is an interesting aside but learning about the collapse of the Qing Dynasty, which is why they emigrated, provides insights into modern China and does a better job teaching about immigration.

The same can be said about Lunar New Year. Instead of having a closed Lunar New Year party or festivities have it school wide. Inclusivity not exclusivity.

Bring people together don't split them apart. Embrace diversity through inclusion.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people, ( even radical feminist liberals like me) , are tired of being told they are racists and are tired of being forced fed pronouncements about diversity.

Nobody is calling anybody racist. However, everyone that is racist is definitely anti-DEBI for a lot is the same reasons people are throwing out here.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, at our school I just sat through yet another staff meeting where we learned how we need to relate to our students in a way that doesn’t prioritize white supremacy. Two actual examples of white supremacy were “worship of the written word” and “objectivity.”

I am a school librarian and my job is to promote literacy and teach students how to find reliable sources. So yes, I am going to continue to promote the written word and the concept of objectivity.

I think I know what's happening. DEIB doesn't account for fragility. It doesn't take people long to get super irrational about race. Give minutes and they are taking things personally and getting defensive. That's why everything sounds illogical coming from y'all.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, at our school I just sat through yet another staff meeting where we learned how we need to relate to our students in a way that doesn’t prioritize white supremacy. Two actual examples of white supremacy were “worship of the written word” and “objectivity.”

I am a school librarian and my job is to promote literacy and teach students how to find reliable sources. So yes, I am going to continue to promote the written word and the concept of objectivity.

I think I know what's happening. DEIB doesn't account for fragility. It doesn't take people long to get super irrational about race. Give minutes and they are taking things personally and getting defensive. That's why everything sounds illogical coming from y'all.

Anonymous wrote:Well, at our school I just sat through yet another staff meeting where we learned how we need to relate to our students in a way that doesn’t prioritize white supremacy. Two actual examples of white supremacy were “worship of the written word” and “objectivity.”

I am a school librarian and my job is to promote literacy and teach students how to find reliable sources. So yes, I am going to continue to promote the written word and the concept of objectivity.

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Anonymous wrote:For many students (especially wealthy ones) school is one of the only chances they get to be with a diverse group of people and to learn about the humanity of people that aren’t usually part of their social sphere. They do that in real time through personal interactions and in lessons while they are learning to write, to do math, and about ancient civilizations. These are essential experiences that will contribute to their success.

The world is not as small as it used to be and being able to communicate and relate to people from various cultures and countries is a leg up. Knowing the foreign CEO’s country’s history is a leg up.

Teachers need help curating these experiences, as they weren’t educated like this themselves. DEI professionals support these efforts.

The DEI criticisms I’ve seen here are very valid, but they also sound like bad DEI. When DEI is done right it benefits and enriches kids and society.

BS. And if true DEI is a piss poor substitute for having hobbies, a faith community, sports, a neighborhood, etc. including someone outside your own race.

In fact, PP’s comment is very illuminating. Because it tends to be weird rich super liberal white people (and their associated private schools) who are the most defensive about DEI, as if they think by clinging to this stupid nonsense, they are absolved from being typical out-of-touch rich people in every meaningful dimension of their lives.

Not BS at all. Faith communities? People go to church less than they ever did before. Sports? Hobbies? Depends on the sport and hobby. Fencing, sailing. Yea, you aren’t really making your kid leave their bubble. Neighborhood? If you live in a neighborhood where the houses are all 1-2 million+ when exactly are you encountering the regular people biking around the neighborhood.

I haven’t seen anyone say DEI is the answer to all of societies problems, but at least it’s an attempt to work on some of them.

Anti-DEI people don’t ever explain how removing DEI completely helps fix any of the issues DEI supports and makes better.

Don’t try to get rid of something if you cannot propose something better.

All the things you dismiss because supposedly no one is doing them — um, how about, do those things? Like many of us actually do?

DEI often is actively harmful and divisive. So, no, I don’t have to have a replacement ideology for something that sucks. It’s perfectly reasonable to just want it gone. Acquaint yourself with the principle: First, do no harm.

What things do you do?

Literally everything I listed. Are you the weird poster who keeps responding “This never happened” when people describe ridiculous DEI initiatives? Are you going to call me a liar? Why are you bothering to ask me what I do?

Where is the list?

Anonymous wrote:I think people, ( even radical feminist liberals like me) , are tired of being told they are racists and are tired of being forced fed pronouncements about diversity.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about having DEI actually be about Diversity and Inclusion instead of Division and Exclusion.

How about schools teach kids to read and write and understand basic chronological history? And let parents instruct their children in the moral complexities of multiculturalism?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For many students (especially wealthy ones) school is one of the only chances they get to be with a diverse group of people and to learn about the humanity of people that aren’t usually part of their social sphere. They do that in real time through personal interactions and in lessons while they are learning to write, to do math, and about ancient civilizations. These are essential experiences that will contribute to their success.

The world is not as small as it used to be and being able to communicate and relate to people from various cultures and countries is a leg up. Knowing the foreign CEO’s country’s history is a leg up.

Teachers need help curating these experiences, as they weren’t educated like this themselves. DEI professionals support these efforts.

The DEI criticisms I’ve seen here are very valid, but they also sound like bad DEI. When DEI is done right it benefits and enriches kids and society.

BS. And if true DEI is a piss poor substitute for having hobbies, a faith community, sports, a neighborhood, etc. including someone outside your own race.

In fact, PP’s comment is very illuminating. Because it tends to be weird rich super liberal white people (and their associated private schools) who are the most defensive about DEI, as if they think by clinging to this stupid nonsense, they are absolved from being typical out-of-touch rich people in every meaningful dimension of their lives.

Not BS at all. Faith communities? People go to church less than they ever did before. Sports? Hobbies? Depends on the sport and hobby. Fencing, sailing. Yea, you aren’t really making your kid leave their bubble. Neighborhood? If you live in a neighborhood where the houses are all 1-2 million+ when exactly are you encountering the regular people biking around the neighborhood.

I haven’t seen anyone say DEI is the answer to all of societies problems, but at least it’s an attempt to work on some of them.

Anti-DEI people don’t ever explain how removing DEI completely helps fix any of the issues DEI supports and makes better.

Don’t try to get rid of something if you cannot propose something better.

All the things you dismiss because supposedly no one is doing them — um, how about, do those things? Like many of us actually do?

DEI often is actively harmful and divisive. So, no, I don’t have to have a replacement ideology for something that sucks. It’s perfectly reasonable to just want it gone. Acquaint yourself with the principle: First, do no harm.

What things do you do?

Literally everything I listed. Are you the weird poster who keeps responding “This never happened” when people describe ridiculous DEI initiatives? Are you going to call me a liar? Why are you bothering to ask me what I do?