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Anonymous wrote:NY Times article says the first confirmed case in Seattle was late January—which means it’s safe to assume there were others walking around/traveling with it at that time or even sooner.

That’s long before anyone really thought it was here. And way before testing. Heck, we still aren’t testing.

So why don’t people believe it’s been here since then and has been spreading?

I think all the people presenting with flu symptoms who are testing negative for flu likely have or had corona. I know so many adults and kids who have been ill with flu symptoms but tested negative.

Another thread commented it's amazing that with all the big American chinatowns and Chinese American communities and close ties, both family and business, to China, its amazing we haven't had any positive cases pop up in the US chinatowns, either in NYC or Los Angeles. Those are huge communities. Wuhan didn't go into lockdown for a while and the virus is supposed to spread so easily.

I'm fully confident it's been around the US for longer than thought. Which is very encouraging in it's own way.

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Anonymous wrote:This may or may not be helpful but the # of cases in the USA is proportionally similar to the # cases in Canada, where widespread testing is occurring. About 4000 people have been tested in Ontario and around 3000 people have been tested in BC.

In Ontario, only 1% of people tested are positive so far (they are still waiting on 400 tests).
https://www.ontario.ca/page/2019-novel-coronavirus

Ontario lab can test 1000 samples per day, and turnaround time has been reduced to 6 h.At-home testing for the virus will now be made available.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-provinces-start-offering-in-home-testing-for-novel-coronavirus/

The US has roughly 10x the population in Canada.
There are 99 cases of coronavirus infection in Canada and 1016 cases in the US. So there are about 10 X the number of cases in US compared to Canada, which would be expected.

The only difference right now is proportion of deaths - 1 person has died in Canada (1%) while 31 have died in the US (3%). The fatality in Canada was a gentleman in a nursing home in BC. That either says something about the proportion of high risk individuals as cases in Canada versus USA - more high risk people in USA cases, or what stage people are being detected as being positive and/or how quickly they receive treatment.

But how do we know that's true if we're not testing?

The number of cases detected so far, with a test, in the USA is about 10 the # in Canada, which IS doing testing. Since the US population is also roughly 10 the population in Canada, you would expect 10 x the number of cases.
Note: 99% of the tests being done in Canada are negative, ie no coronavirus infection.

All I’m saying is the situation in the US may not be as dire as you think if you do the math. But, this is NOT to say that testing shouldn’t be done! Please don’t freak out, internet.

I want to point out that most of the US deaths are from one nursing home that got slammed hard and early. I think its 22 out of the 31 total deaths in the US are just that one home. If you consider it an outlier, then the US deaths are 9 with 1000+ positive. Which sort of makes it similar to Canada.

Why would you consider it an outlier? The epidemic in Wuhan also hit nursing homes early.

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Anonymous wrote:NY Times article says the first confirmed case in Seattle was late January—which means it’s safe to assume there were others walking around/traveling with it at that time or even sooner.

That’s long before anyone really thought it was here. And way before testing. Heck, we still aren’t testing.

So why don’t people believe it’s been here since then and has been spreading?

I think all the people presenting with flu symptoms who are testing negative for flu likely have or had corona. I know so many adults and kids who have been ill with flu symptoms but tested negative.

Another thread commented it's amazing that with all the big American chinatowns and Chinese American communities and close ties, both family and business, to China, its amazing we haven't had any positive cases pop up in the US chinatowns, either in NYC or Los Angeles. Those are huge communities. Wuhan didn't go into lockdown for a while and the virus is supposed to spread so easily.

I'm fully confident it's been around the US for longer than thought. Which is very encouraging in it's own way.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This may or may not be helpful but the # of cases in the USA is proportionally similar to the # cases in Canada, where widespread testing is occurring. About 4000 people have been tested in Ontario and around 3000 people have been tested in BC.

In Ontario, only 1% of people tested are positive so far (they are still waiting on 400 tests).
https://www.ontario.ca/page/2019-novel-coronavirus

Ontario lab can test 1000 samples per day, and turnaround time has been reduced to 6 h.At-home testing for the virus will now be made available.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-provinces-start-offering-in-home-testing-for-novel-coronavirus/

The US has roughly 10x the population in Canada.
There are 99 cases of coronavirus infection in Canada and 1016 cases in the US. So there are about 10 X the number of cases in US compared to Canada, which would be expected.

The only difference right now is proportion of deaths - 1 person has died in Canada (1%) while 31 have died in the US (3%). The fatality in Canada was a gentleman in a nursing home in BC. That either says something about the proportion of high risk individuals as cases in Canada versus USA - more high risk people in USA cases, or what stage people are being detected as being positive and/or how quickly they receive treatment.

But how do we know that's true if we're not testing?

The number of cases detected so far, with a test, in the USA is about 10 the # in Canada, which IS doing testing. Since the US population is also roughly 10 the population in Canada, you would expect 10 x the number of cases.
Note: 99% of the tests being done in Canada are negative, ie no coronavirus infection.

All I’m saying is the situation in the US may not be as dire as you think if you do the math. But, this is NOT to say that testing shouldn’t be done! Please don’t freak out, internet.

I want to point out that most of the US deaths are from one nursing home that got slammed hard and early. I think its 22 out of the 31 total deaths in the US are just that one home. If you consider it an outlier, then the US deaths are 9 with 1000+ positive. Which sort of makes it similar to Canada.

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Anonymous wrote:NY Times article says the first confirmed case in Seattle was late January—which means it’s safe to assume there were others walking around/traveling with it at that time or even sooner.

That’s long before anyone really thought it was here. And way before testing. Heck, we still aren’t testing.

So why don’t people believe it’s been here since then and has been spreading?

I think all the people presenting with flu symptoms who are testing negative for flu likely have or had corona. I know so many adults and kids who have been ill with flu symptoms but tested negative.

Another thread commented it's amazing that with all the big American chinatowns and Chinese American communities and close ties, both family and business, to China, its amazing we haven't had any positive cases pop up in the US chinatowns, either in NYC or Los Angeles. Those are huge communities. Wuhan didn't go into lockdown for a while and the virus is supposed to spread so easily.

I'm fully confident it's been around the US for longer than thought. Which is very encouraging in it's own way.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This may or may not be helpful but the # of cases in the USA is proportionally similar to the # cases in Canada, where widespread testing is occurring. About 4000 people have been tested in Ontario and around 3000 people have been tested in BC.

In Ontario, only 1% of people tested are positive so far (they are still waiting on 400 tests).
https://www.ontario.ca/page/2019-novel-coronavirus

Ontario lab can test 1000 samples per day, and turnaround time has been reduced to 6 h.At-home testing for the virus will now be made available.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-provinces-start-offering-in-home-testing-for-novel-coronavirus/

The US has roughly 10x the population in Canada.
There are 99 cases of coronavirus infection in Canada and 1016 cases in the US. So there are about 10 X the number of cases in US compared to Canada, which would be expected.

The only difference right now is proportion of deaths - 1 person has died in Canada (1%) while 31 have died in the US (3%). The fatality in Canada was a gentleman in a nursing home in BC. That either says something about the proportion of high risk individuals as cases in Canada versus USA - more high risk people in USA cases, or what stage people are being detected as being positive and/or how quickly they receive treatment.

But how do we know that's true if we're not testing?

The number of cases detected so far, with a test, in the USA is about 10 the # in Canada, which IS doing testing. Since the US population is also roughly 10 the population in Canada, you would expect 10 x the number of cases.
Note: 99% of the tests being done in Canada are negative, ie no coronavirus infection.

All I’m saying is the situation in the US may not be as dire as you think if you do the math. But, this is NOT to say that testing shouldn’t be done! Please don’t freak out, internet.

I want to point out that most of the US deaths are from one nursing home that got slammed hard and early. I think its 22 out of the 31 total deaths in the US are just that one home. If you consider it an outlier, then the US deaths are 9 with 1000+ positive. Which sort of makes it similar to Canada.

Anonymous wrote:NY Times article says the first confirmed case in Seattle was late January—which means it’s safe to assume there were others walking around/traveling with it at that time or even sooner.

That’s long before anyone really thought it was here. And way before testing. Heck, we still aren’t testing.

So why don’t people believe it’s been here since then and has been spreading?

I think all the people presenting with flu symptoms who are testing negative for flu likely have or had corona. I know so many adults and kids who have been ill with flu symptoms but tested negative.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This may or may not be helpful but the # of cases in the USA is proportionally similar to the # cases in Canada, where widespread testing is occurring. About 4000 people have been tested in Ontario and around 3000 people have been tested in BC.

In Ontario, only 1% of people tested are positive so far (they are still waiting on 400 tests).
https://www.ontario.ca/page/2019-novel-coronavirus

Ontario lab can test 1000 samples per day, and turnaround time has been reduced to 6 h.At-home testing for the virus will now be made available.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-provinces-start-offering-in-home-testing-for-novel-coronavirus/

The US has roughly 10x the population in Canada.
There are 99 cases of coronavirus infection in Canada and 1016 cases in the US. So there are about 10 X the number of cases in US compared to Canada, which would be expected.

The only difference right now is proportion of deaths - 1 person has died in Canada (1%) while 31 have died in the US (3%). The fatality in Canada was a gentleman in a nursing home in BC. That either says something about the proportion of high risk individuals as cases in Canada versus USA - more high risk people in USA cases, or what stage people are being detected as being positive and/or how quickly they receive treatment.

But how do we know that's true if we're not testing?

The number of cases detected so far, with a test, in the USA is about 10 the # in Canada, which IS doing testing. Since the US population is also roughly 10 the population in Canada, you would expect 10 x the number of cases.
Note: 99% of the tests being done in Canada are negative, ie no coronavirus infection.

All I’m saying is the situation in the US may not be as dire as you think if you do the math. But, this is NOT to say that testing shouldn’t be done! Please don’t freak out, internet.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG Breitbart. Talk about looking on the bright side! "Over 1,000 People Cured of Coronavirus in Italy"

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/11/over-1000-cured-coronavirus-italy/

Oh. My. Goodness. Wow. Meanwhile they are closing all stores except food markets and pharmacies...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This may or may not be helpful but the # of cases in the USA is proportionally similar to the # cases in Canada, where widespread testing is occurring. About 4000 people have been tested in Ontario and around 3000 people have been tested in BC.

In Ontario, only 1% of people tested are positive so far (they are still waiting on 400 tests).
https://www.ontario.ca/page/2019-novel-coronavirus

Ontario lab can test 1000 samples per day, and turnaround time has been reduced to 6 h.At-home testing for the virus will now be made available.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-provinces-start-offering-in-home-testing-for-novel-coronavirus/

The US has roughly 10x the population in Canada.
There are 99 cases of coronavirus infection in Canada and 1016 cases in the US. So there are about 10 X the number of cases in US compared to Canada, which would be expected.

The only difference right now is proportion of deaths - 1 person has died in Canada (1%) while 31 have died in the US (3%). The fatality in Canada was a gentleman in a nursing home in BC. That either says something about the proportion of high risk individuals as cases in Canada versus USA - more high risk people in USA cases, or what stage people are being detected as being positive and/or how quickly they receive treatment.

But how do we know that's true if we're not testing?

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Anonymous wrote:Out of curiosity, I pulled up the infection and death totals for H1N1 today. I was astonished to see how high they were. I don’t remember paying really any attention to that as a news story back in 2009. Was it covered less, somehow less scary, or am I just getting old and less cavalier?

It didn't spread as far. I remember feeling the same in the beginnings of the outbreak as for this coronavirus -- but it didn't get as far and so petered out.

And where exactly is your official source that ”It didn't spread as far” ??? Give an official cdc.gov or who.int source. Don’t spread misinformation!