Anonymous
06/22/2023 18:06
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That poor kid. I wonder if the parents fought over this before they went. I realize the son was 19 and an adult, but parent pressure can be the worst.
Presumably the parents paid for it because the ticket cost $250k.
Oh I forgot, that one family paid a half million dollars for this ordeal!!
I saw this on a Reddit thread about the passengers but the father wasn’t a billionaire however he was estimated to be worth 130 million which is still obviously mega wealthy.
Hamish Harding was the billionaire, not Dawood.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 18:05
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That poor kid. I wonder if the parents fought over this before they went. I realize the son was 19 and an adult, but parent pressure can be the worst.
On a completely different scale - DH has a friend who is an experienced pilot, and owns his own plane. On numerous occasions he has invited both DH and DS to go with him, and each time I have vehemently put my foot down - absolutely not! DH disagrees with me, but respects my concerns. Of course we're not billionaires nor do we have that billionaire mindset where you think the world and all of its possibilities and experiences are there for the taking, without measuring for risk.
That's pretty silly, particularly the part where you criticize *others* for their risk assessment ability. Yeesh.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 18:03
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:I’m wondering why we spent so much money and risked coast guard lives if the navy already knew it exploded.
Also coast guard really are unsung heroes. They defend our shores and see a lot of dangerous conditions. Years ago PBS had a documentary about the storm that inspired The Perfect Storm and the coast guard’s successful rescue of several people including a dude on a yacht that ignored storm warnings. The jump from helicopters into oceans with hundred foot waves was terrifying — if they mistimed the jump they’d be dead on contact but even if they timed it right they would be in the deep ocean in the middle of horrific conditions.
+1. Why did the rescue continue with no hope of saving the occupants.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 18:01
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:It’s heartbreaking to read that the 19 year old was terrified and told other family members he didn’t really want to go - but he went for at his dad’s insistence.
As a 19 year old I also destroyed my life at the direction of a parent, so I am acutely sensitive to how powerless a child that age can be in the face of a domineering parent. At least I’m still alive even if my life has been one of pain and regrets.
This poor kid was robbed by his own father’s obsession. Wait I guess that’s actually a pretty common theme in human existence.
Just wanted to say I’m sorry you’ve had to experience that pain.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 18:01
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
I’m wondering why we spent so much money and risked coast guard lives if the navy already knew it exploded.
Also coast guard really are unsung heroes. They defend our shores and see a lot of dangerous conditions. Years ago PBS had a documentary about the storm that inspired The Perfect Storm and the coast guard’s successful rescue of several people including a dude on a yacht that ignored storm warnings. The jump from helicopters into oceans with hundred foot waves was terrifying — if they mistimed the jump they’d be dead on contact but even if they timed it right they would be in the deep ocean in the middle of horrific conditions.
Also coast guard really are unsung heroes. They defend our shores and see a lot of dangerous conditions. Years ago PBS had a documentary about the storm that inspired The Perfect Storm and the coast guard’s successful rescue of several people including a dude on a yacht that ignored storm warnings. The jump from helicopters into oceans with hundred foot waves was terrifying — if they mistimed the jump they’d be dead on contact but even if they timed it right they would be in the deep ocean in the middle of horrific conditions.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 17:55
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans." -- Statement from Oceangate
They use the word explorers repeatedly. They were not all explorers - three of them were CUSTOMERS.
I'd like to know exactly what the "true explorers" did to protect the world's oceans - especially a 19 year old.
Does Oceangate really think we are all so gullible as to believe this??
Please! Respect the 48 hour rule if nothing else.
Agree.
These men are heroes.
Lol. Why exactly? What were they doing? They weren't going down there to perform a science miracle - they were going there to gawk at ruins and to be a part of the billionaire dick measuring contests surrounding space travel and ocean travel -- oooohhh I have enough money that I have done it, you haven't, poor you.
I feel bad for them because they made a bad decision and a bad decision doesn't mean you should die. But hero? No where close to heroes.
Let's be clear. The Titanic isn't "ruins" it's a graveyard for 1,500 people. So while people on here want to yell about "48 hour rule" no one wants to mention the fact that they were indeed going down to "gawk" at a place of tragedy. And they sure as hell weren't heroes nor were they explorers.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 17:53
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
“WASHINGTON—A top secret U.S. Navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission, officials involved in the search said.
The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. Shortly after its disappearance, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, U.S. defense officials said.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12
The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. Shortly after its disappearance, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, U.S. defense officials said.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12
Anonymous
06/22/2023 17:49
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans." -- Statement from Oceangate
They use the word explorers repeatedly. They were not all explorers - three of them were CUSTOMERS.
I'd like to know exactly what the "true explorers" did to protect the world's oceans - especially a 19 year old.
Does Oceangate really think we are all so gullible as to believe this??
Please! Respect the 48 hour rule if nothing else.
Agree.
These men are heroes.
Why?
No they certainly are not. Fools at best (minus the kid). I am glad they did not suffer, though.
PP is BSing. But if you want to talk about heroes, talk about the Coastguard people who searched for them in rough seas.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 17:48
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Not to be rude but if there were even small parts of bodies to collect - which could be identified by DNA as belonging to a certain person and their families could then bury - wouldn't there be marine life out there?
Anonymous
06/22/2023 17:48
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:The most startling part of this to me is that they found it at all, and in less than a week. The wreckage and detritus from the Titanic covers 2 square miles. Picking out one tiny piece of metal wreckage from all the rest isn't a needle in a haystack, it's a needle in a needle field. It sucks for these people but it does give me hope that one of these decades, we'll find MH370 and get some answers.
We already did find MH370. Pieces have been washing up ashore for sometime now. The plane broke apart. There isn't some intact part of the plane resting at the bottom of the ocean somewhere. and unlike where Titanic is, the South Indian Ocean has not been mapped. These guys at least met their demise in the one of the most mapped portion of the oceans where rovers could easily locate the remains of their vessel. MH370 is long gone.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 17:44
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the implosion?
If there was a crack somewhere or a material fatigue issue that let in a small bit of water does that mean that it'll compromise the rest of the structure so fast that it won't withstand the water pressure down there even with a tiny crack so it'll just collapse on itself? Or does it mean something entirely different?
And then can we assume that their bodies wouldn't withstand it either? Like there wouldn't be intact bodies to find? Someone asked that at the briefing and the CG really deferred re harsh conditions - was he trying to say there aren't bodies to retrieve?
Someone earlier in the thread - around 30 pages in - posted the video from MythBusters tV series where they took a mock person made of pig components in a diving suit to 300’ and rapidly depressurized the diving suit, which within seconds filled with blood and bits of flesh.
At 12,000’ there is nothing left of the bodies to collect.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 17:41
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans." -- Statement from Oceangate
They use the word explorers repeatedly. They were not all explorers - three of them were CUSTOMERS.
I'd like to know exactly what the "true explorers" did to protect the world's oceans - especially a 19 year old.
Does Oceangate really think we are all so gullible as to believe this??
Please! Respect the 48 hour rule if nothing else.
Agree.
These men are heroes.
Lol. Why exactly? What were they doing? They weren't going down there to perform a science miracle - they were going there to gawk at ruins and to be a part of the billionaire dick measuring contests surrounding space travel and ocean travel -- oooohhh I have enough money that I have done it, you haven't, poor you.
I feel bad for them because they made a bad decision and a bad decision doesn't mean you should die. But hero? No where close to heroes.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 17:41
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans." -- Statement from Oceangate
They use the word explorers repeatedly. They were not all explorers - three of them were CUSTOMERS.
I'd like to know exactly what the "true explorers" did to protect the world's oceans - especially a 19 year old.
Does Oceangate really think we are all so gullible as to believe this??
Please! Respect the 48 hour rule if nothing else.
Agree.
These men are heroes.
Why?
No they certainly are not. Fools at best (minus the kid). I am glad they did not suffer, though.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 17:39
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans." -- Statement from Oceangate
They use the word explorers repeatedly. They were not all explorers - three of them were CUSTOMERS.
I'd like to know exactly what the "true explorers" did to protect the world's oceans - especially a 19 year old.
Does Oceangate really think we are all so gullible as to believe this??
Please! Respect the 48 hour rule if nothing else.
Agree.
These men are heroes.
What did they do that was heroic?
Anonymous
06/22/2023 17:39
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:James Cameron has released a statement saying that several people in the deep sea community had written to Ocean Gate cautioning them that their craft was too experimental to be carrying passengers.
I’d hate to be on the engineering team that designed the vessel.