Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 17:02     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is at fault. The reality is that living life comes with risk. 52 million people visit Disney every year. At one gator accident every 30 years, that is less than a one in a billion chance.

If people lived their lives to prevent a one in a billion chance of a tragedy, then they wouldn't be able to do anything. The risk that a branch will fall from a tree while you walk on a sidewalk is greater than the risk of this happening. The risk of being killed in a car crash going to and from Disney is more than a thousand times greater. The risk of choking on the food you buy at Disney or drowning in the pool or tripping on the stairs of the hotel -- all greater.

The fact is that everything you do carries a risk. Some risks are substantial enough to worry about and judge some one if they aren't careful (although even then, I wouldn't publicly judge someone who had just lost a child) but this was not one of them.


Yup, thanks for spelling this out so I don't have to. This is a horrific thing that happened, but alligator deaths are extremely rare, especially given how many there are.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 16:43     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It was daily mail


Thanks. Here's the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3646647/Lawyer-says-warned-Disney-alligators-year-one-approached-son-wading-lagoon-told-resident-pets.html

I'm surprised this isn't getting more attention. I'm not a lawyer, but I assume if they knew that there were issues with alligators going after humans, they are beyond enormously liable.


There was an alligator that went after a human in '86. What other issues were there? Disney is taking several steps to reduce the likelihood of this happening again. That's what everyone wants.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 16:31     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It was daily mail


Thanks. Here's the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3646647/Lawyer-says-warned-Disney-alligators-year-one-approached-son-wading-lagoon-told-resident-pets.html

I'm surprised this isn't getting more attention. I'm not a lawyer, but I assume if they knew that there were issues with alligators going after humans, they are beyond enormously liable.


Yeah, that is pretty damning, especially the letter he wrote.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 16:24     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
When Disney says they'll let the appropriate management know, they usually are blowing smoke up your skirt.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 16:18     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
I'm sure details will come out soon enough.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 16:17     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:It was daily mail


Thanks. Here's the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3646647/Lawyer-says-warned-Disney-alligators-year-one-approached-son-wading-lagoon-told-resident-pets.html

I'm surprised this isn't getting more attention. I'm not a lawyer, but I assume if they knew that there were issues with alligators going after humans, they are beyond enormously liable.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 16:13     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Killing alligators so the 1% can vacation with a big fake mouse seems a bit misplaced.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 16:12     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
It was daily mail
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 15:53     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
I don't have time to read through 116 pages so maybe someone already posted this, but I read today that a lawyer who was vacationing at Disney two years ago saw an alligator approach his child, but no one was hurt because he managed to scoop the child away. He told Disney management about it and the article quotes him as saying "you need to do something about this now because God forbid something like this happens again only the outcome is tragic." I wish I could find it right now. It might've been on huffington post. It was extremely damning.

I'm taking my family to Disney for the first time this November and we are not going anywhere near the water unless it's a clear pool that I can see every inch of.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 15:43     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Fences are being added right now as I type this.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 15:06     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is at fault. The reality is that living life comes with risk. 52 million people visit Disney every year. At one gator accident every 30 years, that is less than a one in a billion chance.

If people lived their lives to prevent a one in a billion chance of a tragedy, then they wouldn't be able to do anything. The risk that a branch will fall from a tree while you walk on a sidewalk is greater than the risk of this happening. The risk of being killed in a car crash going to and from Disney is more than a thousand times greater. The risk of choking on the food you buy at Disney or drowning in the pool or tripping on the stairs of the hotel -- all greater.

The fact is that everything you do carries a risk. Some risks are substantial enough to worry about and judge some one if they aren't careful (although even then, I wouldn't publicly judge someone who had just lost a child) but this was not one of them.


+1
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 15:00     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:I'm going on record to say I feel bad for the people who work at Disney. (I also feel bad for the parents, but that's obvious.) People rant that Disney only cares about money; I don't think so. I think to work at such a child-centered company, even if you're in the corporate office, you have to really like children at an above-average level. Kind of like being a teacher and having a child die in your classroom. I bet the employees who were nearby on that beach feel absolutely terrible.


Nowhere near. Teachers get to know their students, really know them. A Disney cast member sees thousands of faces every day. They are faces, nothing more. Sure a lot of people are upset. It's an upsetting incident. But it's nowhere near having someone you actually know, die.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 14:58     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
I know cast members who were making gator jokes about an hour after the boy disappeared. Most of them are there for a paycheck. It's just the way it is. There are genuine cast members but there's also a lot of bad apples.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 14:40     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
I'm going on record to say I feel bad for the people who work at Disney. (I also feel bad for the parents, but that's obvious.) People rant that Disney only cares about money; I don't think so. I think to work at such a child-centered company, even if you're in the corporate office, you have to really like children at an above-average level. Kind of like being a teacher and having a child die in your classroom. I bet the employees who were nearby on that beach feel absolutely terrible.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2016 14:26     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
I don't think anyone is at fault. The reality is that living life comes with risk. 52 million people visit Disney every year. At one gator accident every 30 years, that is less than a one in a billion chance.

If people lived their lives to prevent a one in a billion chance of a tragedy, then they wouldn't be able to do anything. The risk that a branch will fall from a tree while you walk on a sidewalk is greater than the risk of this happening. The risk of being killed in a car crash going to and from Disney is more than a thousand times greater. The risk of choking on the food you buy at Disney or drowning in the pool or tripping on the stairs of the hotel -- all greater.

The fact is that everything you do carries a risk. Some risks are substantial enough to worry about and judge some one if they aren't careful (although even then, I wouldn't publicly judge someone who had just lost a child) but this was not one of them.