Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 22:51     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:read this comment today elsewhere and agree 100%:

"Turner's action was criminal & terrible. His father makes idiotic statements to the press.

The victim had a horrible experience and according to her letter, she doesn't remember the actual rape due to her state of self-administered excess alcohol consumption. That's lucky for her. I do not believe the melodramatic & emotional outpouring in her 12 page letter was achieved without assistance from her therapist, attorney, ghost writer or p.r. representative. She will eventually recover, if she chooses to do so. I hope she chooses to.

I am female. I was violently raped on a downtown Palo Alto sidewalk when I was 26. Since I was fully conscious & had consumed no alcohol, I do remember my experience. I was walking from a movie theater to my car, a couple of blocks away at 10pm. I hadn't gone to a fraternity party to "visit with my sister"(?) & drink in a noisy environment where excessive drinking is widely known to occur & lots of the "men" are under age.

I do not blame the victim. I do caution women to consider honestly why they choose to go to fraternity parties. It is unlikely to be because they want to enjoy conversation with & company of other women. I caution adult women to avoid the company of drunk teenagers. I caution women not to walk alone at night even if it's pretty early & only a couple of blocks to the car.

I recovered. My scrapes, bruises & torn fingernails healed. My attacker was never caught, although since he also took my wallet & got my driving license, he did phone me later to tell me how much he "enjoyed meeting me" and wanted "to do it again." I feel no guilt or shame, as I did nothing wrong.

Rape is a terrible crime. Perpetrators should be punished & victims should be supported. I'd have more respect for Emily Doe if she'd indicated positive steps she's taking to heal instead of publicly wallowing in her ongoing suffering with 12 pages of o.t.t. soul-baring. Yes, she can be the poster woman for rape victims when she chooses to identify herself & she publishes her book, for which her letter is the preface."

I'm disgusted that Emily Doe wasn't "raped enough" for you. I'm sorry for what happened to you, but you don't get to be the "biggest" victim. Go away.


ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? PP, whoever responded to you is a complete asshole. I read your post, understand exactly what you have to say - and you said it eloquently. I hate that your rape happened. One of my closest friends was brutally raped in her own home.

To the one who responded to you in this post? What you preach is not feminism. It's weakness and cruelty.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 22:39     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
There are no winners but there is only one criminal. His absolute refusal to accept responsibility for what he did and show remorse beyond the fact of getting drunk is what disgusts people and why civilized people will not accept him.

He need to feel shame for what he did and not blame his victim for his crimes. He needs to man up and take responsibility for what he actually did wrong.


Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 22:10     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone acting like the victim was some old lady adult and the predator was a little boy? He was a MAN at age 19 and she was 23. BOTH young adults.


He wasn't a year out of HS when this happened. She had 4 years of college under her belt, a full time job and a steady boyfriend and had been to these parties many, many times. And had the tolerance to prove it.



I believe she specified in her letter that she hadn't been drinking much for a while and had underestimated her tolerance.

You are so anxious to demean this woman.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 22:10     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
The Orlando tragedy will overshadow the underwhelming punishment that this overindulged, entitled man-child is getting. He'll be out on probation in a couple months.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 22:08     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone acting like the victim was some old lady adult and the predator was a little boy? He was a MAN at age 19 and she was 23. BOTH young adults.


He was a freshman who had been at school 4 months, she had already been to college and graduated. Not a little boy and an old lady, but still words apart in life experiences.

Think back to when you were a year out of college, working, with a steady SO. A college freshmen was so young, in comparison.


Not that big a difference. And totally irrelevant to the case.


Irrelevant to the case, yes. But we're not jurors, just people trying to understand what happened that night. No, the age difference doesn't affect the crime he committed. It's noticeable, that's all.


No, not really. As other PP mentioned, some of the seniors or any grad students would have been the same age.

Stop grasping at straws so you can malign this poor woman. One night of drinking does not make her deserve any of this. Not. One. Bit.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 21:10     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think they were attracted to each other. When he is released from prison, they should check into a rehab together.


Funny! Except that won't work because Brock will have to live in a skeevy sex offender shanty town.

I think sex offenders live everywhere. I on the other hand wouldn't want to live next the drunk antelope either.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 20:33     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:I think they were attracted to each other. When he is released from prison, they should check into a rehab together.


Funny! Except that won't work because Brock will have to live in a skeevy sex offender shanty town.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 20:31     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
I think they were attracted to each other. When he is released from prison, they should check into a rehab together.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 20:27     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone acting like the victim was some old lady adult and the predator was a little boy? He was a MAN at age 19 and she was 23. BOTH young adults.


Yes, It is another disgusting attempt to blame the victim. Calling him a "teenager" to make him seem less culpable for his actions or was lured by this "older" woman. It's bullshit.
So horrified by the people defending him or blaming the victim.



It is seriously so gross. He could have still been IN high school, and would still be a rapist. It's old enough by far to know those actions are wrong. And honestly it's not at all out of the norm for young adults a year or two out of college to continue partying with college students if they still live in the same town. There was lots of this when I was in college, not unusual at all, at frat or other parties.


Fraternity parties aren't usually filled with random adult guests who have no affiliation to the school. The adult guests that do come generally have the good sense to watch their alcohol and stay with the student that they came with. I used to bring my older boyfriend to fraternity parties and no way was he wandering off chugging hard liquor and hitting on the freshmen girls.

And once I was out of college and working full time no way would I have gone back to those fraternities and gotten black out drunk while dancing and sucking face with the youngest kids there. That is gross behavior, not o.k. In fact, male or female that is creeper behavior.

Now if you want to go to a college bar or a regular house/apartment party where there is a mixture of ages drinking and socializing - that is totally different. But fraternity parties are generally supposed to be for the undergrads/grad students/recent graduates at the school, they are more exclusive.


Agree to disagree. This was just not my experience in my college town. LOL at the "creeper" characterization, as if she were crashing a kid's pool party. Frat parties are not exactly innocent scene to start with.


Maybe I was lucky then because I found the upperclassmen and grad students at those parties to be mostly gentlemanly and they looked out for young women. The younger guys were drunk and sometimes sloppy and a little grabby but they were usually nice kids. The guys that were the most predatory were the "professional student" types that were taking classes but nowhere near graduating...you know the type. And some of the guys at the bars were a little scary.

There really weren't a bunch of random, non affiliated adults coming to the fraternity parties.

Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 20:18     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone acting like the victim was some old lady adult and the predator was a little boy? He was a MAN at age 19 and she was 23. BOTH young adults.


Yes, It is another disgusting attempt to blame the victim. Calling him a "teenager" to make him seem less culpable for his actions or was lured by this "older" woman. It's bullshit.
So horrified by the people defending him or blaming the victim.



It is seriously so gross. He could have still been IN high school, and would still be a rapist. It's old enough by far to know those actions are wrong. And honestly it's not at all out of the norm for young adults a year or two out of college to continue partying with college students if they still live in the same town. There was lots of this when I was in college, not unusual at all, at frat or other parties.


Sounds like she was kissing and dancing with a teenage freshman and then went behind a dumpster where she passed out dead drunk in the middle of fooling around. Should he have stopped what he was doing? Yes! At that point it became an assault. Was it a cold blooded rape of this woman? No. Was it a humiliating and devastating thing to have those crime scene photos taken of her splayed out, passed out body? Yes, of course. Were the rape kit tests and photos at the hospital pleasant? No, of course not. Was telling her sister and her parents about what had happened to her absolutely heartbreaking? Yes, of course. Was it fun for those male jurors to see that evidence? No - that mostly male jury didn't want to see that and probably wish that they could unsee it now. But they now get to live with those images haunting their dreams. So do the young swedes.

There are no winners in this. Both Brock and Emily have had their lives forever changed. Try to learn from this nightmare and teach your kids to be respectful and kind to one another. These two both made terrible mistakes that they can't undo. Hopefully others will learn what NOT to do and what is NOT o.k. from their examples. It is not o.k. to touch a passed out/unaware person in a sexual way. It is not o.k. to drink yourself black out drunk to the point where you don't remember what you did and what happened to you and pass out .
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 20:14     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone acting like the victim was some old lady adult and the predator was a little boy? He was a MAN at age 19 and she was 23. BOTH young adults.


Yes, It is another disgusting attempt to blame the victim. Calling him a "teenager" to make him seem less culpable for his actions or was lured by this "older" woman. It's bullshit.
So horrified by the people defending him or blaming the victim.



It is seriously so gross. He could have still been IN high school, and would still be a rapist. It's old enough by far to know those actions are wrong. And honestly it's not at all out of the norm for young adults a year or two out of college to continue partying with college students if they still live in the same town. There was lots of this when I was in college, not unusual at all, at frat or other parties.


Fraternity parties aren't usually filled with random adult guests who have no affiliation to the school. The adult guests that do come generally have the good sense to watch their alcohol and stay with the student that they came with. I used to bring my older boyfriend to fraternity parties and no way was he wandering off chugging hard liquor and hitting on the freshmen girls.

And once I was out of college and working full time no way would I have gone back to those fraternities and gotten black out drunk while dancing and sucking face with the youngest kids there. That is gross behavior, not o.k. In fact, male or female that is creeper behavior.

Now if you want to go to a college bar or a regular house/apartment party where there is a mixture of ages drinking and socializing - that is totally different. But fraternity parties are generally supposed to be for the undergrads/grad students/recent graduates at the school, they are more exclusive.


Agree to disagree. This was just not my experience in my college town. LOL at the "creeper" characterization, as if she were crashing a kid's pool party. Frat parties are not exactly innocent scene to start with.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 20:07     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone acting like the victim was some old lady adult and the predator was a little boy? He was a MAN at age 19 and she was 23. BOTH young adults.


Yes, It is another disgusting attempt to blame the victim. Calling him a "teenager" to make him seem less culpable for his actions or was lured by this "older" woman. It's bullshit.
So horrified by the people defending him or blaming the victim.



It is seriously so gross. He could have still been IN high school, and would still be a rapist. It's old enough by far to know those actions are wrong. And honestly it's not at all out of the norm for young adults a year or two out of college to continue partying with college students if they still live in the same town. There was lots of this when I was in college, not unusual at all, at frat or other parties.


Fraternity parties aren't usually filled with random adult guests who have no affiliation to the school. The adult guests that do come generally have the good sense to watch their alcohol and stay with the student that they came with. I used to bring my older boyfriend to fraternity parties and no way was he wandering off chugging hard liquor and hitting on the freshmen girls.

And once I was out of college and working full time no way would I have gone back to those fraternities and gotten black out drunk while dancing and sucking face with the youngest kids there. That is gross behavior, not o.k. In fact, male or female that is creeper behavior.

Now if you want to go to a college bar or a regular house/apartment party where there is a mixture of ages drinking and socializing - that is totally different. But fraternity parties are generally supposed to be for the undergrads/grad students/recent graduates at the school, they are more exclusive.


Do you have son in college you're worried is going to get in trouble or something? Because if that's what's motivating you and all your knuckle dragging compatriots I'd recommend devoting your time to making your kid less pervy because this ship has sailed-act like Brock and you'll be a sex offender and the country will hate you, your sordid attempts to cast aspersions on the character of the victim aside.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 20:06     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How do all you "he didn't rape her" people rationalize that he took pictures of her breasts and texted them to his friends during the assaukt?


1) he wasn't convicted of rape
2) there was no evidence that brock took said picture and no evidence of the picture itself


Okkkkkk. http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/06/14/stanford-rapist-brock-turner-sent-explicit-picture-victims-breasts-friends

He was convicted of attempt to rape, so I'll rephrase, "how do all you 'he didn't intend to rape her people' rationalize him taking a picture of her unconscious body?"
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 20:06     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:read this comment today elsewhere and agree 100%:

"Turner's action was criminal & terrible. His father makes idiotic statements to the press.

The victim had a horrible experience and according to her letter, she doesn't remember the actual rape due to her state of self-administered excess alcohol consumption. That's lucky for her. I do not believe the melodramatic & emotional outpouring in her 12 page letter was achieved without assistance from her therapist, attorney, ghost writer or p.r. representative. She will eventually recover, if she chooses to do so. I hope she chooses to.

I am female. I was violently raped on a downtown Palo Alto sidewalk when I was 26. Since I was fully conscious & had consumed no alcohol, I do remember my experience. I was walking from a movie theater to my car, a couple of blocks away at 10pm. I hadn't gone to a fraternity party to "visit with my sister"(?) & drink in a noisy environment where excessive drinking is widely known to occur & lots of the "men" are under age.

I do not blame the victim. I do caution women to consider honestly why they choose to go to fraternity parties. It is unlikely to be because they want to enjoy conversation with & company of other women. I caution adult women to avoid the company of drunk teenagers. I caution women not to walk alone at night even if it's pretty early & only a couple of blocks to the car.

I recovered. My scrapes, bruises & torn fingernails healed. My attacker was never caught, although since he also took my wallet & got my driving license, he did phone me later to tell me how much he "enjoyed meeting me" and wanted "to do it again." I feel no guilt or shame, as I did nothing wrong.

Rape is a terrible crime. Perpetrators should be punished & victims should be supported. I'd have more respect for Emily Doe if she'd indicated positive steps she's taking to heal instead of publicly wallowing in her ongoing suffering with 12 pages of o.t.t. soul-baring. Yes, she can be the poster woman for rape victims when she chooses to identify herself & she publishes her book, for which her letter is the preface."

I'm disgusted that Emily Doe wasn't "raped enough" for you. I'm sorry for what happened to you, but you don't get to be the "biggest" victim. Go away.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 19:58     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone acting like the victim was some old lady adult and the predator was a little boy? He was a MAN at age 19 and she was 23. BOTH young adults.


Yes, It is another disgusting attempt to blame the victim. Calling him a "teenager" to make him seem less culpable for his actions or was lured by this "older" woman. It's bullshit.
So horrified by the people defending him or blaming the victim.



It is seriously so gross. He could have still been IN high school, and would still be a rapist. It's old enough by far to know those actions are wrong. And honestly it's not at all out of the norm for young adults a year or two out of college to continue partying with college students if they still live in the same town. There was lots of this when I was in college, not unusual at all, at frat or other parties.


Fraternity parties aren't usually filled with random adult guests who have no affiliation to the school. The adult guests that do come generally have the good sense to watch their alcohol and stay with the student that they came with. I used to bring my older boyfriend to fraternity parties and no way was he wandering off chugging hard liquor and hitting on the freshmen girls.

And once I was out of college and working full time no way would I have gone back to those fraternities and gotten black out drunk while dancing and sucking face with the youngest kids there. That is gross behavior, not o.k. In fact, male or female that is creeper behavior.

Now if you want to go to a college bar or a regular house/apartment party where there is a mixture of ages drinking and socializing - that is totally different. But fraternity parties are generally supposed to be for the undergrads/grad students/recent graduates at the school, they are more exclusive.