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Anonymous wrote:Conference of misfit toys. 3 flagships, 7 non flagship publics and 7 privates.

Totally random with zero in common philosophy or geography.

The institutions are in a haphazard incoherent mess of leftovers. They must be shocked.

This makes me think none of you have looked at the new B1G or Big 12 maps. The new ACC is no more incoherent geographically than the new B1G and much more coherent academically than the Big 12.

Anonymous wrote:Conference of misfit toys. 3 flagships, 7 non flagship publics and 7 privates.

Totally random with zero in common philosophy or geography.

The institutions are in a haphazard incoherent mess of leftovers. They must be shocked.

Sounds like the SMU & Berkeley alumni should get along really well, as long as nobody mentions big oil, capitalism, redistribution of wealth, equity of anything, carbon footprints, having a religious group in the actual name of your institution, building a wall, barbecue….

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Anonymous wrote:Have to wonder how this news is being received by Cal & Stanford non-football athletes who often play more than once a week during their respective sport's season. Baseball will be unbearable. Too many games & too much travel. Beach volleyball ?

They are thrilled. Stanford in particular. They came to Stanford because they are high level students and great athletes. They do not want to be in an inferior conference no matter what. Baseball in particular will love being in the ACC.

Also swimming. By my count, 8 of the top 25 ranked swim teams will be in the new ACC. SMU had a highly ranked swim program when they were in the SWC, and it will likely improve now they’re in the ACC.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SMU, CAL, & STANFORD to become new ACC members.

SMU will receive no TV revenue for 9 years.

Cal & Stanford will start by receiving 30% shares each.

https://cbssports.com/college-football/news/acc-votes-to-add-stanford-cal-smu-conference-presidents-approve-expansion-to-18-schools/

I hope SMU got the pledges from donors vowing to support the athletic department in writing. I wonder what non-revenue sports will get cut at Stanford and Cal once the athletics department realizing how much travel will cost

I suspect that SMU donors and supporters did it even better than in writing by giving assurances in cash.

I don’t think people understand how much money the SMU alumni have. Last year, SMU was in the middle of a $1.5 billion general fundraising campaign and in the process, they raised the $100 million for the new end zone complex at the stadium in just a few months, with about ten plus 7 & 8 figure donations (and that was when being readmitted to a power 5 conference was still just a dream). I looked at the general fundraising page and there are over 170 donors of $1 million or more (the campaign is ongoing, but they were at $900 million as of last fall). I haven’t looked at it in detail, but someone said there are 8 billionaires on the SMU board, and just with a quick perusal of the names, I believe it. I get the alumni magazine, and every issue has multiple “Mr. & Mrs. X just gave $30 million for Y new building/program” notes.”

The alumni who attended SMU during the Eric Dickerson “Pony Express” pre-death penalty years are now in their peak $$$/thinking about their legacy years, including Clark Hunt, owner of the Kansas City Chiefs, and former SMU football player & Colts owner Jim Irsay, and they’ll make sure $$ isn’t an issue. The timing of this ad campaign was not a coincidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kid_-ZrHVfU

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Artistic swimming ? Water polo ?

Which Stanford sports will be cut:

https://facts.stanford.edu/campuslife/athletics/

They will cut nothing. In fact there are a couple of sports that the ACC has that Stanford does not and I see them expanding.

No way Stanford increases the number of sports they play in the next 5 years with the financial model their athletic department uses (essentially football, endowments, and individual donations). Their biggest booster also died last year, which complicates their money issues. I see their women's lax team getting much better. Men's lax is the one sport that if it grows enough to become money making by 2030, Stanford would have to consider in the ACC.

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Anonymous wrote:This move will strengthen the GOR. The agreement is what the agreement is and the law is what the law is but the addition of three new teams signing up will push any equities away from programs leaving unless they give notice now. And they cannot. There has been some reporting that USC opposes Clemson coming into the SEC ad they will do all they can to veto that.

Texas entering over Texas A&M's objection is the only time the SEC has added a second school in a state. I think USC will have more of a voice than TAMU.

Clemson, as successful as its football program has been, is not Texas. Texas, and the merger of the Longhorn network, was just too rich to not take (especially with the savings for ESPN) and Oklahoma came along for the ride. The SEC network will be using the Longhorn network facilities. Florida and USC have a real shot at keeping FSU and Clemson out of the SEC, even if they were free, which they’re not.

Not sure why FSU seems so certain they’d be welcomed into a “better” conference with a richer deal. People act like the PAC got a bad deal because it was an unattractive conference, but it was really just bad timing. Rumors are that Disney is trying to sell ESPN, and with cable revenue dying, I don’t think the SEC or B1G or Big12 would get the deals they have if they were renegotiated today. The numbers on what ESPN would have to charge for streaming to make up for lost cable revenue are ridiculous. FSU is just going to have to face thst they weren’t in a position to move and missed the boat.

Anonymous wrote:Artistic swimming ? Water polo ?

Which Stanford sports will be cut:

https://facts.stanford.edu/campuslife/athletics/

They will cut nothing. In fact there are a couple of sports that the ACC has that Stanford does not and I see them expanding.

Anonymous wrote:Have to wonder how this news is being received by Cal & Stanford non-football athletes who often play more than once a week during their respective sport's season. Baseball will be unbearable. Too many games & too much travel. Beach volleyball ?

Beach volleyball is not an ACC sport.

Anonymous wrote:Have to wonder how this news is being received by Cal & Stanford non-football athletes who often play more than once a week during their respective sport's season. Baseball will be unbearable. Too many games & too much travel. Beach volleyball ?

They are thrilled. Stanford in particular. They came to Stanford because they are high level students and great athletes. They do not want to be in an inferior conference no matter what. Baseball in particular will love being in the ACC.

Artistic swimming ? Water polo ?

Which Stanford sports will be cut:

https://facts.stanford.edu/campuslife/athletics/

Have to wonder how this news is being received by Cal & Stanford non-football athletes who often play more than once a week during their respective sport's season. Baseball will be unbearable. Too many games & too much travel. Beach volleyball ?

ESPN reported that NC State flipped:

https://espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38304694/sources-acc-votes-invite-stanford-cal-smu

Anonymous wrote:Conference of misfit toys. 3 flagships, 7 non flagship publics and 7 privates.

Totally random with zero in common philosophy or geography.

Most are at least good academically. The state flagships aren't huge and the non-flagships tend to be as academically strong as the flagships if not stronger. Academically, Louisville is the only real outlier. The rest are solidly in the top 100

Conference of misfit toys. 3 flagships, 7 non flagship publics and 7 privates.

Totally random with zero in common philosophy or geography.