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Anonymous wrote:So per the kid's older sister, he didn't want to go on the sub and only did it bc it was Fathers Day/his father was Titanic obsessed (others had dropped out so seats opened up). Per his aunt - he was terrified of going and had expressed to other family members that he was terrified.

Wow. Learn to say no - even to mommy and daddy - folks. Or as I said before why on earth could mom not step in here and tell DH he was free to do what he wanted but her DS wasn't going esp since he was terrified!?

What makes you think the mother had any say in this matter? Different culture.

The mother is white/British. She's not a subservient Pakistani woman - and btw if you think Pakistani women are subservient with respect to their baby boys lol you don't know our culture. Mama always wins re her kids and esp her son at this age.

Anonymous wrote:So per the kid's older sister, he didn't want to go on the sub and only did it bc it was Fathers Day/his father was Titanic obsessed (others had dropped out so seats opened up). Per his aunt - he was terrified of going and had expressed to other family members that he was terrified.

Wow. Learn to say no - even to mommy and daddy - folks. Or as I said before why on earth could mom not step in here and tell DH he was free to do what he wanted but her DS wasn't going esp since he was terrified!?

I agree with saying no to mommy and daddy but 19 is a tricky age. You're technically an adult but you're not really - I mean in this billionaire family, daddy was the one paying his way thru school etc., daddy was the one who had the empire he was going to inherit. It isn't the same as being a 35 yr old middle class/upper middle class person who can just say - sorry dad that's dumb, I'm not doing it, good luck to you - as you move on with your own life and job that have nothing to do with dad. When everything you have is tied to dad, there is pressure - often not even very subtle pressure - to keep the parent happy. Mom now has to live with it for life that she either didn't fight with dad and stand up for DS or she did but she lost. But whatever - I told you so - doesn't matter bc she'll be grieving her son for the rest of her life.

What I'd like to know is what was making those noises every 30 minutes if it wasn't Titan?

Anonymous wrote:So per the kid's older sister, he didn't want to go on the sub and only did it bc it was Fathers Day/his father was Titanic obsessed (others had dropped out so seats opened up). Per his aunt - he was terrified of going and had expressed to other family members that he was terrified.

Wow. Learn to say no - even to mommy and daddy - folks. Or as I said before why on earth could mom not step in here and tell DH he was free to do what he wanted but her DS wasn't going esp since he was terrified!?

What makes you think the mother had any say in this matter? Different culture.

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Anonymous wrote:OceanGate got a $450,000 loan cancelled thru PPP for this nonsense:

https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/oceangate-inc-2458707102

And what is the problem with that? Seriously?

You’re joking.

Nope please explain? They were following the law. Or should only liberal and civic minded companies apply for PPP loan forgiveness?

What a bizarre response. This has nothing to do with liberal or not. The problem is that they got scot-free money from taxpayers for a product that just killed five customers —remarkably high proportion of all the customers it has ever had.

I’d call it a pretty big problem.

So did a ton of other companies. This is just a nothing burger. The law applied to everyone who used PPP for payroll during the pandemic.

So did Cessna and they just had a plane crash after military jets were scrambled to discover it had a catastrophic failure.

Stop trying to make things that just are not a big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:If thete was an implosion, wouldn't their Real Time Health Monitoring system have picked up on it?

No. Because the Real Time Health Monitoring System also imploded. I do not think you understand the immense pressure the water creates.

I mean, I never claimed to, so I also don't understand why you felt the need to add that dig (though I can come up with plausible reasons).

Anyways, I know it's a lot of pressure, but I would think the pressure increases gradually the deeper you go, not instanteously. And that the monitoring system would pick up on that.

Any health monitoring system would have been operating at 1 atmosphere of pressure inside the hull. You are right in that the pressure increases gradually, but people can’t survive that, so they made a bubble of one atmosphere in the submarine and sealed it up. As it goes down to 12k feet where the pressure is 500 atm, the pressure inside the bubble is still 1 atm. So when it implodes, the water rushes in at that pressure differential.

Imagine a tire blowing up right next to you. Let’s say that tire was pressured to 40 psi. One atmosphere is about 15 psi. So a tire blowing up in your face would be a 1 atm (air around your face) to 2.5 atm differential, so a 1.5 atm difference. Now imagine an explosion where the pressure differential was 500 atm.

Right, but an over-inflated tire will show signs of strain before it explodes, which is what the RTM was supposed to detect.

It did. They knew they were descending too quickly and were trying to release ballast before they lost communication. The pilot knew something was wrong.

Where did you see this?

NP. It’s on multiple news sites including MSN. A retired navy captain said he heard this from one of the crew members on the support ship. They were trying to lose weight right before losing communications. A loud bang was also picked up at the time.

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That is awful if true. That poor kid was probably crapping himself the entire time and was not enjoying himself at all. The news keeps calling them all explorers but not so much if this is true. Poor kid was a business student in Glasgow and his rich dad who funded his life forced him to go and he couldn’t say no.

Okay, we don’t know that the father “forced “ him to go,

Many a young man his age might not admit they are afraid to another man, let alone a dad you want to convince that you are grown up,?

IDK if he admitted it to daddy or not, but per his aunt he was admitting to other family members that he was terrified and didn't want to go. So this wasn't some hush hush secret he kept to himself.

Anonymous wrote:So per the kid's older sister, he didn't want to go on the sub and only did it bc it was Fathers Day/his father was Titanic obsessed (others had dropped out so seats opened up). Per his aunt - he was terrified of going and had expressed to other family members that he was terrified.

Wow. Learn to say no - even to mommy and daddy - folks. Or as I said before why on earth could mom not step in here and tell DH he was free to do what he wanted but her DS wasn't going esp since he was terrified!?

BTW this is per phone interviews w family that BBC and NBC are reporting on.

So per the kid's older sister, he didn't want to go on the sub and only did it bc it was Fathers Day/his father was Titanic obsessed (others had dropped out so seats opened up). Per his aunt - he was terrified of going and had expressed to other family members that he was terrified.

Wow. Learn to say no - even to mommy and daddy - folks. Or as I said before why on earth could mom not step in here and tell DH he was free to do what he wanted but her DS wasn't going esp since he was terrified!?

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Anonymous wrote:If thete was an implosion, wouldn't their Real Time Health Monitoring system have picked up on it?

No. Because the Real Time Health Monitoring System also imploded. I do not think you understand the immense pressure the water creates.

I mean, I never claimed to, so I also don't understand why you felt the need to add that dig (though I can come up with plausible reasons).

Anyways, I know it's a lot of pressure, but I would think the pressure increases gradually the deeper you go, not instanteously. And that the monitoring system would pick up on that.

Any health monitoring system would have been operating at 1 atmosphere of pressure inside the hull. You are right in that the pressure increases gradually, but people can’t survive that, so they made a bubble of one atmosphere in the submarine and sealed it up. As it goes down to 12k feet where the pressure is 500 atm, the pressure inside the bubble is still 1 atm. So when it implodes, the water rushes in at that pressure differential.

Imagine a tire blowing up right next to you. Let’s say that tire was pressured to 40 psi. One atmosphere is about 15 psi. So a tire blowing up in your face would be a 1 atm (air around your face) to 2.5 atm differential, so a 1.5 atm difference. Now imagine an explosion where the pressure differential was 500 atm.

Right, but an over-inflated tire will show signs of strain before it explodes, which is what the RTM was supposed to detect.

It did. They knew they were descending too quickly and were trying to release ballast before they lost communication. The pilot knew something was wrong.

Where did you see this?

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Anonymous wrote:If thete was an implosion, wouldn't their Real Time Health Monitoring system have picked up on it?

No. Because the Real Time Health Monitoring System also imploded. I do not think you understand the immense pressure the water creates.

I mean, I never claimed to, so I also don't understand why you felt the need to add that dig (though I can come up with plausible reasons).

Anyways, I know it's a lot of pressure, but I would think the pressure increases gradually the deeper you go, not instanteously. And that the monitoring system would pick up on that.

Any health monitoring system would have been operating at 1 atmosphere of pressure inside the hull. You are right in that the pressure increases gradually, but people can’t survive that, so they made a bubble of one atmosphere in the submarine and sealed it up. As it goes down to 12k feet where the pressure is 500 atm, the pressure inside the bubble is still 1 atm. So when it implodes, the water rushes in at that pressure differential.

Imagine a tire blowing up right next to you. Let’s say that tire was pressured to 40 psi. One atmosphere is about 15 psi. So a tire blowing up in your face would be a 1 atm (air around your face) to 2.5 atm differential, so a 1.5 atm difference. Now imagine an explosion where the pressure differential was 500 atm.

Right, but an over-inflated tire will show signs of strain before it explodes, which is what the RTM was supposed to detect.

It did. They knew they were descending too quickly and were trying to release ballast before they lost communication. The pilot knew something was wrong.

In another report I heard the son went down because the trip was scheduled on Father’s Day.

James Cameron has released a statement saying that several people in the deep sea community had written to Ocean Gate cautioning them that their craft was too experimental to be carrying passengers.

I think the whole thing is crazy, but I don't think people are really thinking about the perspective of the passengers. When you're rich enough that 250k is nothing to you, and you're going down there with a company and in a vessel that have done it successfully before, it probably doesn't sound so crazy. I would never, because I am claustrophobic and the ocean freaks me out, but some people are unbothered and may have more of a sense of adventure than me. One of the passengers had already been down there dozens of times. James Cameron--a movie director, not even a professional diver or explorer--has been down dozens of times. It really seems less out of the box when you consider all of this.

IMO, all U.S. taxpayer-funded resources should be called back. There is nothing further to be gained. There are plenty of other training opportunities OR community services they can be doing.