Anonymous wrote:I am writing this just after reading it today and have not read the thread yet because I don't want to be influenced until I get out my thoughts.

If you have had a falling out with a narcissistic friend in your life you can pick it up immediately in Dawn - attention seeking with a victim complex masking their low self esteem, also an overwhelming need for revenge when exposed.

Larson and friends are totally relatable. And of course she wasn't going to give an inch to her face because people like Dawn take a mile when you do so.

That said, she did cross the line into plagiarism with the letter. However, she did change it repeatedly, which shows she didn't intend to plagiarize. It's possible some pride stopped her from changing it more, but the crux of the letter is that 'celebrating you' because it was really the opposite of what that was all about. It was celebrating Dawn. I also understand that Larson had to hold the line for the sake of artistic expression.

I also openly admit that I was triggered by Dawn bc of the own narc in my life. They ruin lives.

I too am interested to hear where you land on this when you catch up.

One thing I will say is that this situation has illustrated for me that sometimes when a woman gets labeled as “a narcissist with a victim complex masking their low self esteem, and an overwhelming need for revenge” a LOT of that characterization may be driven by things like misogyny and classism (or just plain old in group/out group dynamics) and I now have a strong skepticism of anyone describing someone this way.

Bad Art Friend has really shown me how easily facts can be twisted to make someone look crazy or obsessed, and also how the desire of bystanders to fit in or curry favor with one side or another can lead to a pile on that really warps them situation.

There is a lot of harmless or justified behavior in this situation that got painted as needy, obsessive, and unreasonable. And there is a lot of truly harmful and offensive behavior that got painted as normal ands reasonable. If you can get all the way through the follow up on this and not take a second to question why women who simply had a “friend falling out” are described regularly as sociopaths, I am surprised and disappointed.

Anonymous wrote:Oh geez “read this thread” is kind of a ridiculous ask when the thread is over 100 pages long. Easier I think to read through kidneygate’s posts on Twitter, or faster still to read through the chronological timeline that Summer Brennan posted, you can find it through Twitter. I wouldn’t spend your day reading this entire thread, or the lots of duplicative comments. You guys are gteat and all, but people have lives!

Agreed. Summer Brennan, Dan Nguyen, Kidneygate, Bryn Donovan, and others have done good roundups. There's a podcast episode from Twitter user @molls that is actually also very comprehensive: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-wouldnt-download-a-kidney/id1554013364?i=1000538261857

Anonymous wrote:Oh geez “read this thread” is kind of a ridiculous ask when the thread is over 100 pages long. Easier I think to read through kidneygate’s posts on Twitter, or faster still to read through the chronological timeline that Summer Brennan posted, you can find it through Twitter. I wouldn’t spend your day reading this entire thread, or the lots of duplicative comments. You guys are gteat and all, but people have lives!

Yes, but it is kind of fun to watch the actual situation unravel by reading the whole thread. You end up watching as people figure out how they were gaslit by the NYT.

Definitely read the kidneygate account for the Cliff Notes. She has a summary thread up now.

Oh geez “read this thread” is kind of a ridiculous ask when the thread is over 100 pages long. Easier I think to read through kidneygate’s posts on Twitter, or faster still to read through the chronological timeline that Summer Brennan posted, you can find it through Twitter. I wouldn’t spend your day reading this entire thread, or the lots of duplicative comments. You guys are gteat and all, but people have lives!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am writing this just after reading it today and have not read the thread yet because I don't want to be influenced until I get out my thoughts.

If you have had a falling out with a narcissistic friend in your life you can pick it up immediately in Dawn - attention seeking with a victim complex masking their low self esteem, also an overwhelming need for revenge when exposed.

Larson and friends are totally relatable. And of course she wasn't going to give an inch to her face because people like Dawn take a mile when you do so.

That said, she did cross the line into plagiarism with the letter. However, she did change it repeatedly, which shows she didn't intend to plagiarize. It's possible some pride stopped her from changing it more, but the crux of the letter is that 'celebrating you' because it was really the opposite of what that was all about. It was celebrating Dawn. I also understand that Larson had to hold the line for the sake of artistic expression.

I also openly admit that I was triggered by Dawn bc of the own narc in my life. They ruin lives.

You should now go back and read through this thread/other Twitter threads that debunk the entire premise of Dawn being characterized as she was in the NYT article.

Doing it now! I am on page 9. Then I have to get on twitter. This rabbit hole is going to take all night. Gah! But I am down.

Get back to us when you’re done reading. Want to know what you think after all that.

DP. Yes, definitely read the whole thread. It is quite something. It's going to take awhile especially once you add in all the links.

FWIW I am a reader who responded initially like you did and am now fully on Dorland's side and am in fact angry at the NYT for the blatant distortion of the actual facts.

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Anonymous wrote:I am writing this just after reading it today and have not read the thread yet because I don't want to be influenced until I get out my thoughts.

If you have had a falling out with a narcissistic friend in your life you can pick it up immediately in Dawn - attention seeking with a victim complex masking their low self esteem, also an overwhelming need for revenge when exposed.

Larson and friends are totally relatable. And of course she wasn't going to give an inch to her face because people like Dawn take a mile when you do so.

That said, she did cross the line into plagiarism with the letter. However, she did change it repeatedly, which shows she didn't intend to plagiarize. It's possible some pride stopped her from changing it more, but the crux of the letter is that 'celebrating you' because it was really the opposite of what that was all about. It was celebrating Dawn. I also understand that Larson had to hold the line for the sake of artistic expression.

I also openly admit that I was triggered by Dawn bc of the own narc in my life. They ruin lives.

You should now go back and read through this thread/other Twitter threads that debunk the entire premise of Dawn being characterized as she was in the NYT article.

Doing it now! I am on page 9. Then I have to get on twitter. This rabbit hole is going to take all night. Gah! But I am down.

Get back to us when you’re done reading. Want to know what you think after all that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am writing this just after reading it today and have not read the thread yet because I don't want to be influenced until I get out my thoughts.

If you have had a falling out with a narcissistic friend in your life you can pick it up immediately in Dawn - attention seeking with a victim complex masking their low self esteem, also an overwhelming need for revenge when exposed.

Larson and friends are totally relatable. And of course she wasn't going to give an inch to her face because people like Dawn take a mile when you do so.

That said, she did cross the line into plagiarism with the letter. However, she did change it repeatedly, which shows she didn't intend to plagiarize. It's possible some pride stopped her from changing it more, but the crux of the letter is that 'celebrating you' because it was really the opposite of what that was all about. It was celebrating Dawn. I also understand that Larson had to hold the line for the sake of artistic expression.

I also openly admit that I was triggered by Dawn bc of the own narc in my life. They ruin lives.

You should now go back and read through this thread/other Twitter threads that debunk the entire premise of Dawn being characterized as she was in the NYT article.

Doing it now! I am on page 9. Then I have to get on twitter. This rabbit hole is going to take all night. Gah! But I am down.

There's a lot to take in! Every new piece of information just sort of makes it all the more intoxicating.

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Anonymous wrote:I am writing this just after reading it today and have not read the thread yet because I don't want to be influenced until I get out my thoughts.

If you have had a falling out with a narcissistic friend in your life you can pick it up immediately in Dawn - attention seeking with a victim complex masking their low self esteem, also an overwhelming need for revenge when exposed.

Larson and friends are totally relatable. And of course she wasn't going to give an inch to her face because people like Dawn take a mile when you do so.

That said, she did cross the line into plagiarism with the letter. However, she did change it repeatedly, which shows she didn't intend to plagiarize. It's possible some pride stopped her from changing it more, but the crux of the letter is that 'celebrating you' because it was really the opposite of what that was all about. It was celebrating Dawn. I also understand that Larson had to hold the line for the sake of artistic expression.

I also openly admit that I was triggered by Dawn bc of the own narc in my life. They ruin lives.

You should now go back and read through this thread/other Twitter threads that debunk the entire premise of Dawn being characterized as she was in the NYT article.

Doing it now! I am on page 9. Then I have to get on twitter. This rabbit hole is going to take all night. Gah! But I am down.

Anonymous wrote:I am writing this just after reading it today and have not read the thread yet because I don't want to be influenced until I get out my thoughts.

If you have had a falling out with a narcissistic friend in your life you can pick it up immediately in Dawn - attention seeking with a victim complex masking their low self esteem, also an overwhelming need for revenge when exposed.

Larson and friends are totally relatable. And of course she wasn't going to give an inch to her face because people like Dawn take a mile when you do so.

That said, she did cross the line into plagiarism with the letter. However, she did change it repeatedly, which shows she didn't intend to plagiarize. It's possible some pride stopped her from changing it more, but the crux of the letter is that 'celebrating you' because it was really the opposite of what that was all about. It was celebrating Dawn. I also understand that Larson had to hold the line for the sake of artistic expression.

I also openly admit that I was triggered by Dawn bc of the own narc in my life. They ruin lives.

You should now go back and read through this thread/other Twitter threads that debunk the entire premise of Dawn being characterized as she was in the NYT article.

I am writing this just after reading it today and have not read the thread yet because I don't want to be influenced until I get out my thoughts.

If you have had a falling out with a narcissistic friend in your life you can pick it up immediately in Dawn - attention seeking with a victim complex masking their low self esteem, also an overwhelming need for revenge when exposed.

Larson and friends are totally relatable. And of course she wasn't going to give an inch to her face because people like Dawn take a mile when you do so.

That said, she did cross the line into plagiarism with the letter. However, she did change it repeatedly, which shows she didn't intend to plagiarize. It's possible some pride stopped her from changing it more, but the crux of the letter is that 'celebrating you' because it was really the opposite of what that was all about. It was celebrating Dawn. I also understand that Larson had to hold the line for the sake of artistic expression.

I also openly admit that I was triggered by Dawn bc of the own narc in my life. They ruin lives.

+1 i'm a Becky Tuch fan.

Anonymous wrote:Becky Tuch is turning into one of the unlikely heroes here.

Maybe Tuch will be the one to write the definitive BAF book!

Anonymous wrote:Summer just undermined her own reputation so fast, ick.
DNR list for sure.

Yes, I can't abide whiny drama queens. Her behavior is absurd.

Summer just undermined her own reputation so fast, ick.
DNR list for sure.

Becky Tuch is turning into one of the unlikely heroes here.