Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:47     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:North Port Police still believe he's in the area of the Carlton Reserve (where his mustang was picked up). They've called in divers to search the pond/lake area of the reserve, looking for Brian's body. I guess they can't/won't clear the reserve until they've searched the water areas.

You can watch live footage of the search on WFLA in Florida.


What if this is all a big distraction, and he has long since left the area? Eric Toth (the Beauvoir teacher) left his car and a suicide note at the MN airport but was long gone from there.


I think it is ridiculous LE are still concentrating on the Sarasota County area instead of the Alabama/Florida border or Baker, Fl.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:45     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Gabby could have left at any time. She had access to the internet. She was in touch with her mom. She was in the States and in tourist locations. There was nothing inherently unsafe about a van trip with a boyfriend. She just picked the wrong guy and didn't follow her good sense to leave when things went downhill.


OMG, this is the most victim-blaming thing I've seen in a long time. You are awful.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:45     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My point is what caused the disarray?


It was not even 2 months yet and , since they lived together for 2 years before that here is the lesson in why young adults should be counseled against running off like this with no purpose , no job and no concrete supports at that age:

They had a very vague plan and itinerary -but a chained together in a confined space - the van - which traps them to stay together in away because for each of them the van is their only form of shelter and transportation

Had they been Eurailing in Europe and had a Youth Hostel pass , they each could have gone their separate ways , but do you see - either they end their trip ( both give up their dream ) AND break up OR they stay in that Van and keep trying

Many young people have a hard time breaking up with the person that they have allowed themselves to become too dependent upon BUT for each of them , to break up meant giving up the van ( she can’t drive so she has to give up the whole trip ) . He has to admit failure to her, his parents and her parents - and himself

Had they each had an independent means of travel and their own money , they could have separated and Gabby write her blog ,” I kicked my lame bf out of my van and now I’m living my dream on my own ‘ cause I’m enough “ ( I would have followed her )

Instead, tragically- The pressure of their opposing goals begins to grate at Brian - “ she has this little blog “ ( Gabby wants to write a fairy tale )What does Brian want : he is basically an anti-social who just wants to hike off to the Wild barefoot and live off the land . Gabby wants him home for dinner and she wants to post photos of what she cooked and he should smile while he eats it

He can’t stand his own sense of failure and he feels trapped - kinda like people who kill themselves - too bad he didn’t . Instead, he kills her …now he can go on walkabout and not come back

Oh, come on. Lots of young people go on adventures without being murdered by their boyfriend. I backpacked across rural Romania, Serbia, Bosnia and Slovakia with a boyfriend at 22. Still alive. All pre-cell phone in extremely rural locations with no one checking on me. I was 100% unemployed, as was he, and we were getting by on a few dollars a day. It was amazing and an experience I'll never forget. Now I'm a right 40-something boring lawyer with kids.

Gabby could have left at any time. She had access to the internet. She was in touch with her mom. She was in the States and in tourist locations. There was nothing inherently unsafe about a van trip with a boyfriend. She just picked the wrong guy and didn't follow her good sense to leave when things went downhill. The plan to camp in US parks in a van wasn't the problem. It was not leaving when it became apparent there was a problem with the guy and relationship.


You’ve obviously never been in an abusive relationship. I stayed for 8 years. I had strong family support. I had money. I didn’t leave. He destroyed every bit of self-esteem I ever had. He broke my bones, but breaking my spirit is what kept me from leaving. He threatened to disappear with my kids. He threatened to kill me. He practiced killing me several times. He threatened to kill my family. It took serious intervention by a close friend, the police, a victims rights advocate, the courts, and a domestic violence counselor to help me get away. This was almost 25 years ago. I suffer from PTSD with panic. I will never fully heal.

People thought we were the perfect couple. He was an Army officer. I stayed at home with our kids. No one knew what I was going through at home. It’s not as easy as “just leave”.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:41     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:North Port Police still believe he's in the area of the Carlton Reserve (where his mustang was picked up). They've called in divers to search the pond/lake area of the reserve, looking for Brian's body. I guess they can't/won't clear the reserve until they've searched the water areas.

You can watch live footage of the search on WFLA in Florida.


What if this is all a big distraction, and he has long since left the area? Eric Toth (the Beauvoir teacher) left his car and a suicide note at the MN airport but was long gone from there.


It could be, I'm not sure. If the FBI is still focused on the reserve, and not other possibilities, I hope there is evidence to suggest he didn't leave the reserve. Other than his parents' word.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:41     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would be bother to drive the van home and live in a mostly inhospitable area to be a lone camper? Why wouldn't he just leave the van and take off into the wilderness there?


Environment. Surviving and hiding in that area is much harder than doing so in a swamp. On top of that he had to think of the elements - fall is here and winter is coming. It's about to get very cold in the Utah/Wyoming/Idaho with feet of snow on the ground. He'd freeze to death shortly after October/November-ish.

But the parents could have gone out to Wyoming, claiming they were worried about him, since they're not afraid to file false missing persons reports, give him enough cash to get him to Canada, and then go back to Florida to file a missing persons report. Maybe they didn't realize how guilty he was until after he returned to Florida and spoke with the lawyer.


What would Canada do for him? It has the strongest extradition treaty and quick enforcement with the U.S. in the world. To the point that they're giving up a Chinese executive who is not a Canadian citizen over to the Americans. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/27/huawei-meng-wanzhou-canada-court-ruling-us-extradition

It also is completely unsurvivable unless you're living in the far South - which is why most of its people live along the northern U.S. border.

Crossing the Mexican border is a much better option - more lawlessness and places across a wide territory to hide. It also doesn't dip below zero with freezing temperatures at any part of the year.

Canada won't extradite if the death penalty is in play. They consider it a human rights violation. I'm assuming Wyoming has the death penalty.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:35     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My point is what caused the disarray?


It was not even 2 months yet and , since they lived together for 2 years before that here is the lesson in why young adults should be counseled against running off like this with no purpose , no job and no concrete supports at that age:

They had a very vague plan and itinerary -but a chained together in a confined space - the van - which traps them to stay together in away because for each of them the van is their only form of shelter and transportation

Had they been Eurailing in Europe and had a Youth Hostel pass , they each could have gone their separate ways , but do you see - either they end their trip ( both give up their dream ) AND break up OR they stay in that Van and keep trying

Many young people have a hard time breaking up with the person that they have allowed themselves to become too dependent upon BUT for each of them , to break up meant giving up the van ( she can’t drive so she has to give up the whole trip ) . He has to admit failure to her, his parents and her parents - and himself

Had they each had an independent means of travel and their own money , they could have separated and Gabby write her blog ,” I kicked my lame bf out of my van and now I’m living my dream on my own ‘ cause I’m enough “ ( I would have followed her )

Instead, tragically- The pressure of their opposing goals begins to grate at Brian - “ she has this little blog “ ( Gabby wants to write a fairy tale )What does Brian want : he is basically an anti-social who just wants to hike off to the Wild barefoot and live off the land . Gabby wants him home for dinner and she wants to post photos of what she cooked and he should smile while he eats it

He can’t stand his own sense of failure and he feels trapped - kinda like people who kill themselves - too bad he didn’t . Instead, he kills her …now he can go on walkabout and not come back

Oh, come on. Lots of young people go on adventures without being murdered by their boyfriend. I backpacked across rural Romania, Serbia, Bosnia and Slovakia with a boyfriend at 22. Still alive. All pre-cell phone in extremely rural locations with no one checking on me. I was 100% unemployed, as was he, and we were getting by on a few dollars a day. It was amazing and an experience I'll never forget. Now I'm a right 40-something boring lawyer with kids.

Gabby could have left at any time. She had access to the internet. She was in touch with her mom. She was in the States and in tourist locations. There was nothing inherently unsafe about a van trip with a boyfriend. She just picked the wrong guy and didn't follow her good sense to leave when things went downhill. The plan to camp in US parks in a van wasn't the problem. It was not leaving when it became apparent there was a problem with the guy and relationship.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:35     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:North Port Police still believe he's in the area of the Carlton Reserve (where his mustang was picked up). They've called in divers to search the pond/lake area of the reserve, looking for Brian's body. I guess they can't/won't clear the reserve until they've searched the water areas.

You can watch live footage of the search on WFLA in Florida.


What if this is all a big distraction, and he has long since left the area? Eric Toth (the Beauvoir teacher) left his car and a suicide note at the MN airport but was long gone from there.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:33     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
North Port Police still believe he's in the area of the Carlton Reserve (where his mustang was picked up). They've called in divers to search the pond/lake area of the reserve, looking for Brian's body. I guess they can't/won't clear the reserve until they've searched the water areas.

You can watch live footage of the search on WFLA in Florida.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:29     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So you believe he is willingly living in a swamp, with the bugs, gators, snakes and who knows what else without a tent?


He won’t stay there. He’ll hike along the perimeter and exit when he finds a safe, remote area. He probably knows that preserve well. I’m guessing he is long out of the swamp. Probably helped by his parents. He could easily be out of the country by now. I hope not.


You all do realize that the trail cam picture is from Baker, Florida near Alabama and not anywhere near the Carlton Reserve.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:27     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So you believe he is willingly living in a swamp, with the bugs, gators, snakes and who knows what else without a tent?


He won’t stay there. He’ll hike along the perimeter and exit when he finds a safe, remote area. He probably knows that preserve well. I’m guessing he is long out of the swamp. Probably helped by his parents. He could easily be out of the country by now. I hope not.

being an international fugitive takes resources. Judging by his parents' house, they don't have those resources. If he fled the country he'll turn up eventually
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:25     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Whatever happened re. someone reported his snapchat briefly went live and showed him on a boat in a body of water? Was that ever verified? Guess not if they're searching the swamp.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:18     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I will probably be trashed for this, but I wouldn’t vote to convict his parents for covering up for him. They had no role in her death.

If it were your son, what would you do. Honestly ask yourself that.




Wow. I can honestly say I would turn my child in for murder. 100% without a doubt, with a completely broken heart, I'd turn my child in the moment I believed they'd harmed someone.


I would turn him in if it was apparent he did it and was looking to run. Parents do end up in federal prison for sending fugitive kids money and other assistance. Plus my son is not street smart so would end up dead on the run.

There’s a whole thread on this here so we can keep this one on topic: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1001285.page
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 12:05     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:So you believe he is willingly living in a swamp, with the bugs, gators, snakes and who knows what else without a tent?


He won’t stay there. He’ll hike along the perimeter and exit when he finds a safe, remote area. He probably knows that preserve well. I’m guessing he is long out of the swamp. Probably helped by his parents. He could easily be out of the country by now. I hope not.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 11:59     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:So you believe he is willingly living in a swamp, with the bugs, gators, snakes and who knows what else without a tent?


Nope. He was never there. It's a distraction to keep the cops busy and his parents are in on it. He took off long before she was reported missing IMO. Otherwise...how did he get out of the house with all the people and news surrounding it? Police have said they have "no credible evidence" to tie him to the Baker FL area because he has no ties there....can't he just go there randomly? Plus who else would be walking through a back yard early in the morning with a backpack just like his? Not like he was spotted on a camera at Wawa or something.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2021 11:57     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is there a deer cam in swampland?


Swamp Bucks. There are lots of deer in the swamps.


I don’t know. Someone up thread said it’s part of a deer trap.

Rednecks are so weird!


It’s not a deer trap. Most traps are illegal in Florida, especially on preserve land. It’s a deer cam. Hunting is legal. wildlife cameras are often used just to watch. We have several in our property in Florida. We see deer, bears, bobcats, raccoons, snakes, Gators, ….all kinds of cool animals.