Anonymous wrote:

The anti-CCers have also not yet presented any kind of coherent, rational or factual case for why each state needs its own separate standard.

The states don't have to argue for this. They have a right to write their own standards. There is no federal mandate that they use CC.

"They have the right to" is a bullshit non-argument for why they would or should. People also have the right to stand at the metro and scream obscenities at everyone to come up the escalator but that doesn't mean that they should do it or that it makes sense to do it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Factless Opinion? LOL!

Yep, factless. That empty phrase "developmentally inappropriate" has been brought up a bajillion times, yet NOT ONCE has anyone actually presented any data, any criteria, any studies which would actually demonstrate that even a single one of the standards is developmentally inappropriate.

LACKING IN FACTS.

If you actually had facts, you and your "rising storm of experts" would have been able to present those facts on the very first page of this discussion thread.

They've been posted over and over and over and over again.

You are the one with "factless opinions." You have zero proof these standards are any good, will help advance kids and are worth the money they money we've dumped into them. PROVE THAT and maybe you will get some traction.

Posted over and over again? Sorry, but NO they haven't. I've been reading these threads from the start, and at best maybe 2 or 3 examples of standards which people put out there with subjective opinions that they were "vague" or "poorly written" or "not measurable" - and that only when the standard is considered in a vacuum, without proper educational context, and totally without the context of the adjacent, preceding and subsequent standards that surround them. And even that is not a compelling argument that the entire Common Core standards should be scrapped, just because of 2 or 3 that someone viewed in the most obtuse manner possible.

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Did the states do all of these various steps to come up with the standards they had before adopting the Common Core standards?

This is what I think should be done. Certainly was not done with Common Core. I imagine most of the states included classroom teachers prior to that. Probably, not all.

So did you protest your state's standards before the Common Core standards just as much as you are protesting the Common Core standards now? Since the previous standards standards didn't do what you think should be done, either. And since, if the state gets rid of the Common Core standards, the choices are either to go back to the previous standards or to spend more money and time developing yet another set of standards.

If you didn't, why didn't you?

Did the states do all of these various steps to come up with the standards they had before adopting the Common Core standards?

This is what I think should be done. Certainly was not done with Common Core. I imagine most of the states included classroom teachers prior to that. Probably, not all.

Anonymous wrote:

The anti-CCers have also not yet presented any kind of coherent, rational or factual case for why each state needs its own separate standard.

The states don't have to argue for this. They have a right to write their own standards. There is no federal mandate that they use CC.

That is exactly right. There is no federal mandate for the Common Core standards. I agree with you completely.

Anonymous wrote:Then, I would have these standards reviewed and studied. I would publish comments and surveys from teachers who have used them. If there were serious problems with some of them, we would have a review and adjust process in place.

Did the states do all of these various steps to come up with the standards they had before adopting the Common Core standards?

Then, I would have these standards reviewed and studied. I would publish comments and surveys from teachers who have used them. If there were serious problems with some of them, we would have a review and adjust process in place.

After the standards were written, I would have a number of schools across the state pilot their use for at least a year.

I would then have vocational experts and college personnel review the standards to see if their needs are met. Take their comments and go back and review standards once more.

Then, form committees to ensure that the flow of the standards is correct from grade level to grade level. Again, there would be classroom teachers involved at this committee level, too.

^^^I meant to review current standards.

Then, I would take their suggestions and form committees of classroom teachers to review and write new standards as deemed appropriate.

If I were writing them, the first thing I would do is to have classroom teachers at every level review and comment on each standard--to include its value and appropriateness. I would also have them review them for clarity.

The anti-CCers have also not yet presented any kind of coherent, rational or factual case for why each state needs its own separate standard.

The states don't have to argue for this. They have a right to write their own standards. There is no federal mandate that they use CC.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Factless Opinion? LOL!

Yep, factless. That empty phrase "developmentally inappropriate" has been brought up a bajillion times, yet NOT ONCE has anyone actually presented any data, any criteria, any studies which would actually demonstrate that even a single one of the standards is developmentally inappropriate.

LACKING IN FACTS.

If you actually had facts, you and your "rising storm of experts" would have been able to present those facts on the very first page of this discussion thread.

They've been posted over and over and over and over again.

You are the one with "factless opinions." You have zero proof these standards are any good, will help advance kids and are worth the money they money we've dumped into them. PROVE THAT and maybe you will get some traction.

The anti-CCers have also not yet presented any kind of coherent, rational or factual case for why each state needs its own separate standard.

Frankly they still haven't even gotten off of square one in terms of making a compelling argument, other than the fallacious appeal to emotion and factless, vague claims about "they are just bad because we say so."

I've gone back and read some of the posts. Actually, there has been a lot more argument presented against Common Core than for it. Sounds like you just want to rant.