Anonymous wrote:Just because you think a plan is logical doesn't mean the SB will see it that way. They are starting with an "equity" lens not a "logical"
lens. Priority number one will be balancing out the ELL and poor kids so this new school isn't "unfairly" well off.

Meh. Their first priority will be figuring out who goes to KAA. It happens that, given its location and the logical feeders, KAA will be reasonably balanced from the inception. It should include low-FARMS schools like Floris and Oak Hill and most of a high-FARMS school like Coates. Add moderately high FARMS McNair and low FARMS Crossfield or Fox Mill and they have a solid school immune from attacks of being a fancy school for only rich kids.

Then they have to deal with the ripple effects of populating KAA. They can pull a single feeder out of Chantilly, South Lakes and/or Oakton, and not worry about it, in terms of either total enrollment or demographics. On the other hand, they can't pull three feeders out of Westfield and not move some other kids to Westfield. Westfield already has about an average FARMS rate, so they aren't going to sweat if moving a feeder than has a higher FARMS rate than Westfield's current rate pushes the overall FARMS rate at Westfield up slightly. It will still be lower than Herndon and at least five high schools further east.

Again, if you have a problem with this, tell Dixit and Anderson the KAA purchase is a bad idea. Otherwise you're just barking up a tree.

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

I think the more kids you suggest moving, the more unhappy parents you will have. Sure, they aren't YOUR kids so on paper it makes sense to YOU to move kids from FHS to CVHS, from CHS to WFHS, from CVHS to WFHS to "fill seats".

Come up with a proposal that moves the fewest kids and doesn't make any existing school worse off.

(The only people who want to move are the families hoping to upgrade from Westfield to a nice new school or from the drive to Oakton to a nice new school.)

Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

Just because you think a plan is logical doesn't mean the SB will see it that way. They are starting with an "equity" lens not a "logical"
lens. Priority number one will be balancing out the ELL and poor kids so this new school isn't "unfairly" well off.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Centreville. PP is correct: the neighborhoods that go from BRES to Liberty are mostly low income and most of the low income kids at Liberty come from those decelopments. Without the AAP center, the FARMs rate at BRES would probably be more like 70-80+%. That's why they put the AAP center there originally.

There are a few small pockets of single family homes with a handful of kids but the rest are apartments and older townhomes. Specifically, the most kids come from the apartments off Trinity and Paddington and the townhomes by Sunoco and the Crofton Commons apartments and townhomes.

No one is going to want their kids moved from Liberty/CVHS.

You say “no one is going to want their kids moved from Liberty/Centreville” but what you are really saying is “Westfield doesn’t want more Bull Run kids.”

Just admit parents in the southern part of the Westfield district oppose the KAA purchase because you don’t want the likely consequence of more Bull Run kids at Westfield. You cannot pull three feeders out of Westfield if KAA opens and not move some other kids there, and the obvious kids would come from Bull Run.

It sounds like both things are true. People don't want their kids moved--especially "down"--and people don't want their kids current school situation to be made worse so other kids school situation can be made better. That's true across the entire county.

KAA boundaries need to be drawn in a way that moves the fewest kids around and doesn't negatively effect other schools or there will be a ton of community pushback.

If they close on the purchase and commit that KAA will be a community school then later “pushback” won’t amount to a hill of beans.

KAA will logically take three current Westfield feeders further north (Floris, Coates, and McNair). Even if all three don’t end up at KAA, they’ll still need to move out of Westfield. And then Westfield will need to take some kids from Centreville, which in turn will allow families at Willow Springs who are currently zoned to Fairfax, even though Centreville is much closer, to move to Centreville.

If the future Westfield doesn’t appeal to you, you can move, try to pupil place, or try to block the KAA deal. Complaining because you think Westfield will end up with a somewhat higher FARMS rate that’s still well below the FARMS rate at Herndon and other schools further east won’t get you very far, as more kids will be able to attend schools closer to where they live.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Centreville. PP is correct: the neighborhoods that go from BRES to Liberty are mostly low income and most of the low income kids at Liberty come from those decelopments. Without the AAP center, the FARMs rate at BRES would probably be more like 70-80+%. That's why they put the AAP center there originally.

There are a few small pockets of single family homes with a handful of kids but the rest are apartments and older townhomes. Specifically, the most kids come from the apartments off Trinity and Paddington and the townhomes by Sunoco and the Crofton Commons apartments and townhomes.

No one is going to want their kids moved from Liberty/CVHS.

You say “no one is going to want their kids moved from Liberty/Centreville” but what you are really saying is “Westfield doesn’t want more Bull Run kids.”

Just admit parents in the southern part of the Westfield district oppose the KAA purchase because you don’t want the likely consequence of more Bull Run kids at Westfield. You cannot pull three feeders out of Westfield if KAA opens and not move some other kids there, and the obvious kids would come from Bull Run.

It sounds like both things are true. People don't want their kids moved--especially "down"--and people don't want their kids current school situation to be made worse so other kids school situation can be made better. That's true across the entire county.

KAA boundaries need to be drawn in a way that moves the fewest kids around and doesn't negatively effect other schools or there will be a ton of community pushback.

Anonymous wrote:I live in Centreville. PP is correct: the neighborhoods that go from BRES to Liberty are mostly low income and most of the low income kids at Liberty come from those decelopments. Without the AAP center, the FARMs rate at BRES would probably be more like 70-80+%. That's why they put the AAP center there originally.

There are a few small pockets of single family homes with a handful of kids but the rest are apartments and older townhomes. Specifically, the most kids come from the apartments off Trinity and Paddington and the townhomes by Sunoco and the Crofton Commons apartments and townhomes.

No one is going to want their kids moved from Liberty/CVHS.

You say “no one is going to want their kids moved from Liberty/Centreville” but what you are really saying is “Westfield doesn’t want more Bull Run kids.”

Just admit parents in the southern part of the Westfield district oppose the KAA purchase because you don’t want the likely consequence of more Bull Run kids at Westfield. You cannot pull three feeders out of Westfield if KAA opens and not move some other kids there, and the obvious kids would come from Bull Run.

Anonymous wrote:I think they will take one or two ES from each nearby HS.

Floris and either McNair or Coates (maybe Floris & Coates and move McNair to South Lakes?)
Fox Mill from South Lakes
Oak Hill and maaaaaybe Lees Corner
Crossfield and maaaaaaaybe Navy (does part of Navy go to Chantilly now or do they all go to Oakton?)

Someone who does not know the area. Or, has a specific agenda.

I live in Centreville. PP is correct: the neighborhoods that go from BRES to Liberty are mostly low income and most of the low income kids at Liberty come from those decelopments. Without the AAP center, the FARMs rate at BRES would probably be more like 70-80+%. That's why they put the AAP center there originally.

There are a few small pockets of single family homes with a handful of kids but the rest are apartments and older townhomes. Specifically, the most kids come from the apartments off Trinity and Paddington and the townhomes by Sunoco and the Crofton Commons apartments and townhomes.

No one is going to want their kids moved from Liberty/CVHS.

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Anonymous wrote:Stone MS does not have the space to add all the students previously zoned to CHS and CVHS you are suggesting be moved to Westfield. Its unfortunate that one of the smallest middle school buildings feeds into one of the larger high schools.

Stone is 15% under capacity and projected to be 19% under capacity in a few years. It can absorb some more kids.

Dumping 100+ more kids, most of them poor, into Stone, which is already regarded as an inferior and struggling school, so it can now be overcrowded as well? Fine with you because your kids won't go there, right?

You’re big on hyperbole. Most of these kids would not be poor.

Sounds like you aren't familiar with the neighborhoods.

Sounds like you have no handle on statistics or publicly available information.

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Anonymous wrote:Stone MS does not have the space to add all the students previously zoned to CHS and CVHS you are suggesting be moved to Westfield. Its unfortunate that one of the smallest middle school buildings feeds into one of the larger high schools.

Stone is 15% under capacity and projected to be 19% under capacity in a few years. It can absorb some more kids.

Dumping 100+ more kids, most of them poor, into Stone, which is already regarded as an inferior and struggling school, so it can now be overcrowded as well? Fine with you because your kids won't go there, right?

You’re big on hyperbole. Most of these kids would not be poor.

Sounds like you aren't familiar with the neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:Stone MS does not have the space to add all the students previously zoned to CHS and CVHS you are suggesting be moved to Westfield. Its unfortunate that one of the smallest middle school buildings feeds into one of the larger high schools.

Stone is 15% under capacity and projected to be 19% under capacity in a few years. It can absorb some more kids.

Dumping 100+ more kids, most of them poor, into Stone, which is already regarded as an inferior and struggling school, so it can now be overcrowded as well? Fine with you because your kids won't go there, right?

You’re big on hyperbole. Most of these kids would not be poor.

Anonymous wrote:I think they will take one or two ES from each nearby HS.

Floris and either McNair or Coates (maybe Floris & Coates and move McNair to South Lakes?)
Fox Mill from South Lakes
Oak Hill and maaaaaybe Lees Corner
Crossfield and maaaaaaaybe Navy (does part of Navy go to Chantilly now or do they all go to Oakton?)

Why move McNair to South Lakes and Fox Mill to KAA if they could just move McNair to KAA. That impacts fewer students.

It’s also far from clear KAA could take kids from more than 4 or 5 feeders.

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Anonymous wrote:Stone MS does not have the space to add all the students previously zoned to CHS and CVHS you are suggesting be moved to Westfield. Its unfortunate that one of the smallest middle school buildings feeds into one of the larger high schools.

Stone is 15% under capacity and projected to be 19% under capacity in a few years. It can absorb some more kids.

Dumping 100+ more kids, most of them poor, into Stone, which is already regarded as an inferior and struggling school, so it can now be overcrowded as well? Fine with you because your kids won't go there, right?