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Anonymous wrote:There is no reason for Toby to be there unless something is going on with Kate. She wants him to be there and bring chalk. She has Philip to lean and bring chalk on if it is just her mother dying. One of the Pearson daughters remarks that Uncle Kevin will having enough food for an army AGAIN, so this has happened before. I also think we are seeing two death scenes that have been carefully crafted and edited to appear as one in the flashforwards.

Right before the wedding when Toby called, it seemed to be a peace offering. So maybe they have found a way to co parent and get along. They didn't hate each other, so one cheated - they just grew apart. And Rebecca may not even remember that they're divorced. So him being there to support his kids and kids grandmother isn't so crazy.

Toby is single (no ring, bed empty next to him) when he comes over to the house with the chalk so that scene must take place a while after the scene at the bar concert with grown Jack and grey haired Kate.

When he comes over with chalk, the kids are preteens, about 10 years from now (we see Kevin's twins, who are about the same age as jack who is on his way). Grown Jack and Gray Kate has to be about 10 years after that.

Isn’t Hailey the exact same age as the twins so Jack a few years older? Maybe he hasn’t married his gf yet hence no ring.

Saying “Jack is on his way” would be an odd thing to say about a young teen. Jack is probably driving himself.

Except Jack is blind...

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Anonymous wrote:There is no reason for Toby to be there unless something is going on with Kate. She wants him to be there and bring chalk. She has Philip to lean and bring chalk on if it is just her mother dying. One of the Pearson daughters remarks that Uncle Kevin will having enough food for an army AGAIN, so this has happened before. I also think we are seeing two death scenes that have been carefully crafted and edited to appear as one in the flashforwards.

Right before the wedding when Toby called, it seemed to be a peace offering. So maybe they have found a way to co parent and get along. They didn't hate each other, so one cheated - they just grew apart. And Rebecca may not even remember that they're divorced. So him being there to support his kids and kids grandmother isn't so crazy.

Toby is single (no ring, bed empty next to him) when he comes over to the house with the chalk so that scene must take place a while after the scene at the bar concert with grown Jack and grey haired Kate.

When he comes over with chalk, the kids are preteens, about 10 years from now (we see Kevin's twins, who are about the same age as jack who is on his way). Grown Jack and Gray Kate has to be about 10 years after that.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm desperately trying to see how people are assuming multiple death bed scenes. Randall's hair seems consistent to me between the kitchen and door scenes. The doorknob seems consistent. Mayyyybe the walls are questionable but that's an easy continuity error depending on the set. And when he asked "where is..." and the answer is "already in there"...remember that this scene is from when we didn't even know Rebecca was in the room, so they were holding back on even the fact that Nicky was there.

I'm all for a conspiracy theory but no matter how many times I watch it I can't see it another way.

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:0 through :20 and again at :45 though 1:00 and then again at 1:30 -- year 2030 (approximately) - the twins are about 12 years old and Tess is about 27. They're going to see "her" at Kevin's house. Randall says, "I'm going to go say hi. Where is -" and Beth says "he's already in there."

There is a cut in the scene and we see Randall walk down a hallway. Safe to assume it's the same location/time though because he is wearing the same outfit. You can see the door ahead of him. It's a textured wall and you can see windows or glass to the left of the door.

There are clear and obvious cuts to child Randall walking in a hospital to visit Rebecca including the him looking at an industrial-hospital style doorknob.

At 2:03, you see adult Randall about to touch a doorknob. This door and the walls surrounding it do not look at all like the door we saw him walking towards in Kevin's house. I thought it was glass on the left of the door in Kevin's house but it appears they might be shelves or something (1:48)

At 2:04, you see a hand touch an industrial-hospital style doorknob and open it, but it seems very clear that this is an adult man and Rebecca is on the inside of the room. But it's blurry. And at 2:10 it cuts to child Randall in Rebecca's hospital room. But watch 2:04 through 2:10 and it's very clear it was not child Randall who opened the door.

And then at 2:14, Randall is in Rebecca's room, the door is open (and it looks like the doorknob from 2:03 to me, the horizontal lever type). It's definitely Rebecca because he says, "It's me, your son, Randall." Then cuts again to the kids visiting Rebecca in the hospital when they were about 10. Then you see Randall again, he looks at Nicky and says hi.

It's the shot at 2:03 that makes no sense to me. Also, the shot at 2:04 where (what appears to be) adult Randall opens a hospital-type doorknob and (and what appears to be) Rebecca's room - why would Kevin's house have a doorknob like that? Doesn't make sense.

So either the show screwed up, which is possible, or I think Rebecca is dying somewhere other than in Kevin's house. And everyone is gathered at Kevin's to see someone else -- a female, and some male is already in there with her (based on the Randall/Beth dialogue). The only women who could be in that room that Toby would come to see are: Kate (but she doesn't die because she's alive later), Madison, Hailey. And the men who could be in there with those women are: Phillip or Elijah.

One more thing - we do see Kevin's twins in the room with Rebecca in a different clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-NYjpjM7E) and they look to be the same age as the other scenes in the kitchen, etc. So if everyone is indeed gathered at Kevin's to see someone other than Rebecca, the Rebecca scenes take place close to the same time.

So who knows? Probably just a show continuity error and I'm obsessing over nothing.

Excellent and helpful summary. There’s no reason to have adult Randall opening that hospital door latch. It is not a continuity error.

I'm the poster who doesn't see it. I see at 2:06 a jump from little Randall reaching out to the hospital door to grown Randall 10 years from now opening the door in Kevin's house. It goes zooms in on little Randall's jacket and zooms out on grown Randall's jacket.

And it looks like right before that, Randall turns a corner in Kevin's house, making the walls slightly different.

I see at 2:06 adult Randall open a hospital door - it pans up and shows it's an adult. There's no cut. You see the back of adult Randall and Rebecca in bed. Then it cuts and shows from Rebecca's POV child Randall.

You are right that it could be the way they edited was to intend it to be child Randall opening the door and without a cut, pan up and suddenly it's adult Randall.

But - I still maintain that the shot of adult Randall about to open the lever doorhandle (2:03) looks nothing like the door he is approaching (1:47). The walls are different, and there is a shelf or window to the left at the 1:47 door.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm desperately trying to see how people are assuming multiple death bed scenes. Randall's hair seems consistent to me between the kitchen and door scenes. The doorknob seems consistent. Mayyyybe the walls are questionable but that's an easy continuity error depending on the set. And when he asked "where is..." and the answer is "already in there"...remember that this scene is from when we didn't even know Rebecca was in the room, so they were holding back on even the fact that Nicky was there.

I'm all for a conspiracy theory but no matter how many times I watch it I can't see it another way.

From the link that was above:

:0 through :20 and again at :45 though 1:00 and then again at 1:30 -- year 2030 (approximately) - the twins are about 12 years old and Tess is about 27. They're going to see "her" at Kevin's house. Randall says, "I'm going to go say hi. Where is -" and Beth says "he's already in there."

There is a cut in the scene and we see Randall walk down a hallway. Safe to assume it's the same location/time though because he is wearing the same outfit. You can see the door ahead of him. It's a textured wall and you can see windows or glass to the left of the door.

There are clear and obvious cuts to child Randall walking in a hospital to visit Rebecca including the him looking at an industrial-hospital style doorknob.

At 2:03, you see adult Randall about to touch a doorknob. This door and the walls surrounding it do not look at all like the door we saw him walking towards in Kevin's house. I thought it was glass on the left of the door in Kevin's house but it appears they might be shelves or something (1:48)

At 2:04, you see a hand touch an industrial-hospital style doorknob and open it, but it seems very clear that this is an adult man and Rebecca is on the inside of the room. But it's blurry. And at 2:10 it cuts to child Randall in Rebecca's hospital room. But watch 2:04 through 2:10 and it's very clear it was not child Randall who opened the door.

And then at 2:14, Randall is in Rebecca's room, the door is open (and it looks like the doorknob from 2:03 to me, the horizontal lever type). It's definitely Rebecca because he says, "It's me, your son, Randall." Then cuts again to the kids visiting Rebecca in the hospital when they were about 10. Then you see Randall again, he looks at Nicky and says hi.

It's the shot at 2:03 that makes no sense to me. Also, the shot at 2:04 where (what appears to be) adult Randall opens a hospital-type doorknob and (and what appears to be) Rebecca's room - why would Kevin's house have a doorknob like that? Doesn't make sense.

So either the show screwed up, which is possible, or I think Rebecca is dying somewhere other than in Kevin's house. And everyone is gathered at Kevin's to see someone else -- a female, and some male is already in there with her (based on the Randall/Beth dialogue). The only women who could be in that room that Toby would come to see are: Kate (but she doesn't die because she's alive later), Madison, Hailey. And the men who could be in there with those women are: Phillip or Elijah.

One more thing - we do see Kevin's twins in the room with Rebecca in a different clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-NYjpjM7E) and they look to be the same age as the other scenes in the kitchen, etc. So if everyone is indeed gathered at Kevin's to see someone other than Rebecca, the Rebecca scenes take place close to the same time.

So who knows? Probably just a show continuity error and I'm obsessing over nothing.

Excellent and helpful summary. There’s no reason to have adult Randall opening that hospital door latch. It is not a continuity error.

I'm the poster who doesn't see it. I see at 2:06 a jump from little Randall reaching out to the hospital door to grown Randall 10 years from now opening the door in Kevin's house. It goes zooms in on little Randall's jacket and zooms out on grown Randall's jacket.

And it looks like right before that, Randall turns a corner in Kevin's house, making the walls slightly different.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no reason for Toby to be there unless something is going on with Kate. She wants him to be there and bring chalk. She has Philip to lean and bring chalk on if it is just her mother dying. One of the Pearson daughters remarks that Uncle Kevin will having enough food for an army AGAIN, so this has happened before. I also think we are seeing two death scenes that have been carefully crafted and edited to appear as one in the flashforwards.

Right before the wedding when Toby called, it seemed to be a peace offering. So maybe they have found a way to co parent and get along. They didn't hate each other, so one cheated - they just grew apart. And Rebecca may not even remember that they're divorced. So him being there to support his kids and kids grandmother isn't so crazy.

Toby is single (no ring, bed empty next to him) when he comes over to the house with the chalk so that scene must take place a while after the scene at the bar concert with grown Jack and grey haired Kate.

When he comes over with chalk, the kids are preteens, about 10 years from now (we see Kevin's twins, who are about the same age as jack who is on his way). Grown Jack and Gray Kate has to be about 10 years after that.

Isn’t Hailey the exact same age as the twins so Jack a few years older? Maybe he hasn’t married his gf yet hence no ring.

Saying “Jack is on his way” would be an odd thing to say about a young teen. Jack is probably driving himself.

Except Jack is blind...

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Anonymous wrote:I'm desperately trying to see how people are assuming multiple death bed scenes. Randall's hair seems consistent to me between the kitchen and door scenes. The doorknob seems consistent. Mayyyybe the walls are questionable but that's an easy continuity error depending on the set. And when he asked "where is..." and the answer is "already in there"...remember that this scene is from when we didn't even know Rebecca was in the room, so they were holding back on even the fact that Nicky was there.

I'm all for a conspiracy theory but no matter how many times I watch it I can't see it another way.

From the link that was above:

:0 through :20 and again at :45 though 1:00 and then again at 1:30 -- year 2030 (approximately) - the twins are about 12 years old and Tess is about 27. They're going to see "her" at Kevin's house. Randall says, "I'm going to go say hi. Where is -" and Beth says "he's already in there."

There is a cut in the scene and we see Randall walk down a hallway. Safe to assume it's the same location/time though because he is wearing the same outfit. You can see the door ahead of him. It's a textured wall and you can see windows or glass to the left of the door.

There are clear and obvious cuts to child Randall walking in a hospital to visit Rebecca including the him looking at an industrial-hospital style doorknob.

At 2:03, you see adult Randall about to touch a doorknob. This door and the walls surrounding it do not look at all like the door we saw him walking towards in Kevin's house. I thought it was glass on the left of the door in Kevin's house but it appears they might be shelves or something (1:48)

At 2:04, you see a hand touch an industrial-hospital style doorknob and open it, but it seems very clear that this is an adult man and Rebecca is on the inside of the room. But it's blurry. And at 2:10 it cuts to child Randall in Rebecca's hospital room. But watch 2:04 through 2:10 and it's very clear it was not child Randall who opened the door.

And then at 2:14, Randall is in Rebecca's room, the door is open (and it looks like the doorknob from 2:03 to me, the horizontal lever type). It's definitely Rebecca because he says, "It's me, your son, Randall." Then cuts again to the kids visiting Rebecca in the hospital when they were about 10. Then you see Randall again, he looks at Nicky and says hi.

It's the shot at 2:03 that makes no sense to me. Also, the shot at 2:04 where (what appears to be) adult Randall opens a hospital-type doorknob and (and what appears to be) Rebecca's room - why would Kevin's house have a doorknob like that? Doesn't make sense.

So either the show screwed up, which is possible, or I think Rebecca is dying somewhere other than in Kevin's house. And everyone is gathered at Kevin's to see someone else -- a female, and some male is already in there with her (based on the Randall/Beth dialogue). The only women who could be in that room that Toby would come to see are: Kate (but she doesn't die because she's alive later), Madison, Hailey. And the men who could be in there with those women are: Phillip or Elijah.

One more thing - we do see Kevin's twins in the room with Rebecca in a different clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-NYjpjM7E) and they look to be the same age as the other scenes in the kitchen, etc. So if everyone is indeed gathered at Kevin's to see someone other than Rebecca, the Rebecca scenes take place close to the same time.

So who knows? Probably just a show continuity error and I'm obsessing over nothing.

Excellent and helpful summary. There’s no reason to have adult Randall opening that hospital door latch. It is not a continuity error.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no reason for Toby to be there unless something is going on with Kate. She wants him to be there and bring chalk. She has Philip to lean and bring chalk on if it is just her mother dying. One of the Pearson daughters remarks that Uncle Kevin will having enough food for an army AGAIN, so this has happened before. I also think we are seeing two death scenes that have been carefully crafted and edited to appear as one in the flashforwards.

Right before the wedding when Toby called, it seemed to be a peace offering. So maybe they have found a way to co parent and get along. They didn't hate each other, so one cheated - they just grew apart. And Rebecca may not even remember that they're divorced. So him being there to support his kids and kids grandmother isn't so crazy.

Toby is single (no ring, bed empty next to him) when he comes over to the house with the chalk so that scene must take place a while after the scene at the bar concert with grown Jack and grey haired Kate.

When he comes over with chalk, the kids are preteens, about 10 years from now (we see Kevin's twins, who are about the same age as jack who is on his way). Grown Jack and Gray Kate has to be about 10 years after that.

Isn’t Hailey the exact same age as the twins so Jack a few years older? Maybe he hasn’t married his gf yet hence no ring.

Saying “Jack is on his way” would be an odd thing to say about a young teen. Jack is probably driving himself.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm desperately trying to see how people are assuming multiple death bed scenes. Randall's hair seems consistent to me between the kitchen and door scenes. The doorknob seems consistent. Mayyyybe the walls are questionable but that's an easy continuity error depending on the set. And when he asked "where is..." and the answer is "already in there"...remember that this scene is from when we didn't even know Rebecca was in the room, so they were holding back on even the fact that Nicky was there.

I'm all for a conspiracy theory but no matter how many times I watch it I can't see it another way.

From the link that was above:

:0 through :20 and again at :45 though 1:00 and then again at 1:30 -- year 2030 (approximately) - the twins are about 12 years old and Tess is about 27. They're going to see "her" at Kevin's house. Randall says, "I'm going to go say hi. Where is -" and Beth says "he's already in there."

There is a cut in the scene and we see Randall walk down a hallway. Safe to assume it's the same location/time though because he is wearing the same outfit. You can see the door ahead of him. It's a textured wall and you can see windows or glass to the left of the door.

There are clear and obvious cuts to child Randall walking in a hospital to visit Rebecca including the him looking at an industrial-hospital style doorknob.

At 2:03, you see adult Randall about to touch a doorknob. This door and the walls surrounding it do not look at all like the door we saw him walking towards in Kevin's house. I thought it was glass on the left of the door in Kevin's house but it appears they might be shelves or something (1:48)

At 2:04, you see a hand touch an industrial-hospital style doorknob and open it, but it seems very clear that this is an adult man and Rebecca is on the inside of the room. But it's blurry. And at 2:10 it cuts to child Randall in Rebecca's hospital room. But watch 2:04 through 2:10 and it's very clear it was not child Randall who opened the door.

And then at 2:14, Randall is in Rebecca's room, the door is open (and it looks like the doorknob from 2:03 to me, the horizontal lever type). It's definitely Rebecca because he says, "It's me, your son, Randall." Then cuts again to the kids visiting Rebecca in the hospital when they were about 10. Then you see Randall again, he looks at Nicky and says hi.

It's the shot at 2:03 that makes no sense to me. Also, the shot at 2:04 where (what appears to be) adult Randall opens a hospital-type doorknob and (and what appears to be) Rebecca's room - why would Kevin's house have a doorknob like that? Doesn't make sense.

So either the show screwed up, which is possible, or I think Rebecca is dying somewhere other than in Kevin's house. And everyone is gathered at Kevin's to see someone else -- a female, and some male is already in there with her (based on the Randall/Beth dialogue). The only women who could be in that room that Toby would come to see are: Kate (but she doesn't die because she's alive later), Madison, Hailey. And the men who could be in there with those women are: Phillip or Elijah.

One more thing - we do see Kevin's twins in the room with Rebecca in a different clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-NYjpjM7E) and they look to be the same age as the other scenes in the kitchen, etc. So if everyone is indeed gathered at Kevin's to see someone other than Rebecca, the Rebecca scenes take place close to the same time.

So who knows? Probably just a show continuity error and I'm obsessing over nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no reason for Toby to be there unless something is going on with Kate. She wants him to be there and bring chalk. She has Philip to lean and bring chalk on if it is just her mother dying. One of the Pearson daughters remarks that Uncle Kevin will having enough food for an army AGAIN, so this has happened before. I also think we are seeing two death scenes that have been carefully crafted and edited to appear as one in the flashforwards.

Right before the wedding when Toby called, it seemed to be a peace offering. So maybe they have found a way to co parent and get along. They didn't hate each other, so one cheated - they just grew apart. And Rebecca may not even remember that they're divorced. So him being there to support his kids and kids grandmother isn't so crazy.

Toby is single (no ring, bed empty next to him) when he comes over to the house with the chalk so that scene must take place a while after the scene at the bar concert with grown Jack and grey haired Kate.

When he comes over with chalk, the kids are preteens, about 10 years from now (we see Kevin's twins, who are about the same age as jack who is on his way). Grown Jack and Gray Kate has to be about 10 years after that.

They are not using the kids’ names so it is possible that these are another set of kids for Kevin and ?.

That would be seriously deceptive, but possible.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm desperately trying to see how people are assuming multiple death bed scenes. Randall's hair seems consistent to me between the kitchen and door scenes. The doorknob seems consistent. Mayyyybe the walls are questionable but that's an easy continuity error depending on the set. And when he asked "where is..." and the answer is "already in there"...remember that this scene is from when we didn't even know Rebecca was in the room, so they were holding back on even the fact that Nicky was there.

I'm all for a conspiracy theory but no matter how many times I watch it I can't see it another way.

+1 for me. I see young Randall in a hospital room saying hi to Mom, and old Randall in the cabin(? - I'm assuming it is) saying hi to his dying Mom.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no reason for Toby to be there unless something is going on with Kate. She wants him to be there and bring chalk. She has Philip to lean and bring chalk on if it is just her mother dying. One of the Pearson daughters remarks that Uncle Kevin will having enough food for an army AGAIN, so this has happened before. I also think we are seeing two death scenes that have been carefully crafted and edited to appear as one in the flashforwards.

Right before the wedding when Toby called, it seemed to be a peace offering. So maybe they have found a way to co parent and get along. They didn't hate each other, so one cheated - they just grew apart. And Rebecca may not even remember that they're divorced. So him being there to support his kids and kids grandmother isn't so crazy.

Toby is single (no ring, bed empty next to him) when he comes over to the house with the chalk so that scene must take place a while after the scene at the bar concert with grown Jack and grey haired Kate.

When he comes over with chalk, the kids are preteens, about 10 years from now (we see Kevin's twins, who are about the same age as jack who is on his way). Grown Jack and Gray Kate has to be about 10 years after that.

They are not using the kids’ names so it is possible that these are another set of kids for Kevin and ?.

Anonymous wrote:I'm desperately trying to see how people are assuming multiple death bed scenes. Randall's hair seems consistent to me between the kitchen and door scenes. The doorknob seems consistent. Mayyyybe the walls are questionable but that's an easy continuity error depending on the set. And when he asked "where is..." and the answer is "already in there"...remember that this scene is from when we didn't even know Rebecca was in the room, so they were holding back on even the fact that Nicky was there.

I'm all for a conspiracy theory but no matter how many times I watch it I can't see it another way.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no reason for Toby to be there unless something is going on with Kate. She wants him to be there and bring chalk. She has Philip to lean and bring chalk on if it is just her mother dying. One of the Pearson daughters remarks that Uncle Kevin will having enough food for an army AGAIN, so this has happened before. I also think we are seeing two death scenes that have been carefully crafted and edited to appear as one in the flashforwards.

Right before the wedding when Toby called, it seemed to be a peace offering. So maybe they have found a way to co parent and get along. They didn't hate each other, so one cheated - they just grew apart. And Rebecca may not even remember that they're divorced. So him being there to support his kids and kids grandmother isn't so crazy.

Toby is single (no ring, bed empty next to him) when he comes over to the house with the chalk so that scene must take place a while after the scene at the bar concert with grown Jack and grey haired Kate.

When he comes over with chalk, the kids are preteens, about 10 years from now (we see Kevin's twins, who are about the same age as jack who is on his way). Grown Jack and Gray Kate has to be about 10 years after that.

Isn’t Hailey the exact same age as the twins so Jack a few years older? Maybe he hasn’t married his gf yet hence no ring.