Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 22:11     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
There's a whole private minibus of transfer kids who get dropped off at Langley every morning. Its a little absurd.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 22:11     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
My question is will they rezone Franklin/Carson based on how they rezone the new high school?
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 22:10     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
I think they will take one or two ES from each nearby HS.

Floris and either McNair or Coates (maybe Floris & Coates and move McNair to South Lakes?)
Fox Mill from South Lakes
Oak Hill and maaaaaybe Lees Corner
Crossfield and maaaaaaaybe Navy (does part of Navy go to Chantilly now or do they all go to Oakton?)
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 22:05     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
Anonymous wrote:Stone MS does not have the space to add all the students previously zoned to CHS and CVHS you are suggesting be moved to Westfield. Its unfortunate that one of the smallest middle school buildings feeds into one of the larger high schools.


Stone is 15% under capacity and projected to be 19% under capacity in a few years. It can absorb some more kids.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 22:02     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
Stone MS does not have the space to add all the students previously zoned to CHS and CVHS you are suggesting be moved to Westfield. Its unfortunate that one of the smallest middle school buildings feeds into one of the larger high schools.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 22:01     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
Anonymous wrote:Seems like some smart people could figure out a way to open an amazing new building without making other schools and kids worse
off.

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It won't. The kids leaving Westfield have a higher FARMS rate than those that will be reassigned there.
Coates is 53% FARMS. McNair is 30%. Floris is 13%--but only part of Floris goes to Westfield--and it likely includes much of that 13%.

But, the kids who go to Westfield from those three schools are geographically separated from the rest of the Westfield students. It does not make a community.

This will be better for all.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 22:00     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
Anonymous wrote:Seems like some smart people could figure out a way to open an amazing new building without making other schools and kids worse
off.


Given how you’re implicitly defining “worse off,” that would probably require either alchemy or blatant gerrymandering.

Others, however, would see benefits in having more schools in western Fairfax with smaller enrollments.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 21:57     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
Anonymous wrote:Well, no. That's the problem, right? Unless FCPS decides to offer the exact same courses at every high school, a school with 40% disadvantaged kids is going to offer a whole lot fewer classes, clubs, etc. Why do you think those parents pay to charter a bus from Oak Hill to Langley every morning? For "Russian"?


There aren’t a lot of kids transferring to Langley from any single school.

The really large cohort of transferring kids in western Fairfax is the group transferring from Herndon to South Lakes ostensibly for IB. The transfers from one AP school to another just aren’t that big. You can argue that an increase in the FARMS rate at Westfield might lead to more transfers to South Lakes, but at some point South Lakes stops taking pupil placements and the longer commute to other IB schools discourages people from pupil placing.

It sounds like there’s either a Westfield parent who wants to keep Floris captive at Westfield (even though KAA sits in the Floris district) or there’s a poster who just wants to keep KAA from opening as a neighborhood school, for some undisclosed reason. In general, a 35-40% FARMS school with, say, 2200 or 2300 kids could still offer a lot of academic options to kids.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 21:51     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
Seems like some smart people could figure out a way to open an amazing new building without making other schools and kids worse
off.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 21:48     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
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Anonymous wrote:And the other issue is they will not want to increase the farms rate at any of the existing HS by pulling too many well off students out to go to New HS.


Prediction:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
(Crossfield)

This solves bus ride to Westfield on 28 and the overcrowding at Chantilly.
Enables Centreville to off load to Westfield.
They will try to include Crossfield because of the long bus ride to Oakton.
Might allow close Navy kids to return to Chantilly.


Doesn't that pull a lot of the non farms kids from westfield?

Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any areas zoned to Centreville that make sense to move to Westfield


Look again.


Nope, nothing that makes sense if the goal is avoiding more split feeders.


Bull Run


Half of Bull Run ES are neighborhoods way over by Centre Ridge. You are suggesting to move the whole school to Westfield?


Centre Ridge is not a HS, so yes Westfield could feed from 100% of Cub Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Bull Run.

I appreciate this means some Bull Run families might prefer to stay at Centreville and/or would end up with a longer commute. But I see no alternative, especially if we want to move Willow Springs to Centreville and not expand Centreville more than needed. Leaving Westfield, one of the largest high schools in the county, with only four feeders would make no sense. Better not to close on the KAA then let that happen.



So you aren't familiar with the Centreville area?

Your suggestions would basically concentrate all the low income neighborhoods in the Centreville/Chantilly area at Westfield, creating one HS full of economically disadvantaged kids surrounded by other schools with comparatively few disadvantaged kids (CHS, CVHS, KAA, Oakton etc.)

Deer Park: 35% free lunch
London Towne: 48% free lunch
Bull Run: 43% free lunch
Va Run- 35% free lunch
Cub Run: 22% free lunch



Look, people have been complaining regularly about how the northern-most parts of Westfield (which stand to move over to KAA) are separated by Dulles and other commercial areas from the rest of the Westfield district. Westfield with these five feeders would have an enrollment large enough to sustain academic offerings and extra-curricular programs and, even if its FARMS rate increased somewhat (note that all these schools have FARMS rates well below Coates, which will get moved out) the FARMS rate would be lower than Herndon and many other schools further east.

Chantilly already has a lower FARMS rate. Moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly would increase, not decrease, the FARMS rate there. Centreville's FARMS rate would go down if Cub Run were swapped with Willow Springs, but it would still have other higher FARMS feeders. In any event, the rationale isn't to increase or decrease the FARMS rate at Centreville, but instead to make sure Westfield still has enough kids and also finally keep Willow Springs kids from having to travel all the way to Fairfax.

I notice you've offered no alternative, only complaints, so feel free to explain what you think makes sense, starting with who gets assigned to KAA and then addressing the spillover effects on Westfield and other schools.


No dog in this fight as we are not affected but one of the reasons kids flee the poorer high schools is the lack of academic classes and opportunities. A huge increase of farms kids at a school reduces the academic offerings. And, I believe the other high-FARMs rate high schools in FCPS are all much lower enrollment. A 2700 student school with 40+% farms rate is a LOT of needy kids.


This wouldn’t be a huge increase in the FARMS rate at Westfield and the total number of FARMS students would decline. Similarly, Westfield’s total enrollment will likely decline well below 2700 with the feeders moving to KAA, even if parts of Centreville and Chantilly move over.

You didn’t offer an alternative, so should we assume at this point you’re just trying out a new argument on why KAA should not open as a neighborhood school?
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 21:42     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
Well, no. That's the problem, right? Unless FCPS decides to offer the exact same courses at every high school, a school with 40% disadvantaged kids is going to offer a whole lot fewer classes, clubs, etc. Why do you think those parents pay to charter a bus from Oak Hill to Langley every morning? For "Russian"?
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 21:33     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
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Anonymous wrote:And the other issue is they will not want to increase the farms rate at any of the existing HS by pulling too many well off students out to go to New HS.


Prediction:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
(Crossfield)

This solves bus ride to Westfield on 28 and the overcrowding at Chantilly.
Enables Centreville to off load to Westfield.
They will try to include Crossfield because of the long bus ride to Oakton.
Might allow close Navy kids to return to Chantilly.


Doesn't that pull a lot of the non farms kids from westfield?

Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any areas zoned to Centreville that make sense to move to Westfield


Look again.


Nope, nothing that makes sense if the goal is avoiding more split feeders.


Bull Run


Half of Bull Run ES are neighborhoods way over by Centre Ridge. You are suggesting to move the whole school to Westfield?


Centre Ridge is not a HS, so yes Westfield could feed from 100% of Cub Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Bull Run.

I appreciate this means some Bull Run families might prefer to stay at Centreville and/or would end up with a longer commute. But I see no alternative, especially if we want to move Willow Springs to Centreville and not expand Centreville more than needed. Leaving Westfield, one of the largest high schools in the county, with only four feeders would make no sense. Better not to close on the KAA then let that happen.



So you aren't familiar with the Centreville area?

Your suggestions would basically concentrate all the low income neighborhoods in the Centreville/Chantilly area at Westfield, creating one HS full of economically disadvantaged kids surrounded by other schools with comparatively few disadvantaged kids (CHS, CVHS, KAA, Oakton etc.)

Deer Park: 35% free lunch
London Towne: 48% free lunch
Bull Run: 43% free lunch
Va Run- 35% free lunch
Cub Run: 22% free lunch



Look, people have been complaining regularly about how the northern-most parts of Westfield (which stand to move over to KAA) are separated by Dulles and other commercial areas from the rest of the Westfield district. Westfield with these five feeders would have an enrollment large enough to sustain academic offerings and extra-curricular programs and, even if its FARMS rate increased somewhat (note that all these schools have FARMS rates well below Coates, which will get moved out) the FARMS rate would be lower than Herndon and many other schools further east.

Chantilly already has a lower FARMS rate. Moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly would increase, not decrease, the FARMS rate there. Centreville's FARMS rate would go down if Cub Run were swapped with Willow Springs, but it would still have other higher FARMS feeders. In any event, the rationale isn't to increase or decrease the FARMS rate at Centreville, but instead to make sure Westfield still has enough kids and also finally keep Willow Springs kids from having to travel all the way to Fairfax.

I notice you've offered no alternative, only complaints, so feel free to explain what you think makes sense, starting with who gets assigned to KAA and then addressing the spillover effects on Westfield and other schools.


No dog in this fight as we are not affected but one of the reasons kids flee the poorer high schools is the lack of academic classes and opportunities. A huge increase of farms kids at a school reduces the academic offerings. And, I believe the other high-FARMs rate high schools in FCPS are all much lower enrollment. A 2700 student school with 40+% farms rate is a LOT of needy kids.


And, it is 60% non-needy kids. Enough to offer a robust curriculum for all.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 21:30     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
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Anonymous wrote:And the other issue is they will not want to increase the farms rate at any of the existing HS by pulling too many well off students out to go to New HS.


Prediction:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
(Crossfield)

This solves bus ride to Westfield on 28 and the overcrowding at Chantilly.
Enables Centreville to off load to Westfield.
They will try to include Crossfield because of the long bus ride to Oakton.
Might allow close Navy kids to return to Chantilly.


Doesn't that pull a lot of the non farms kids from westfield?

Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any areas zoned to Centreville that make sense to move to Westfield


Look again.


Nope, nothing that makes sense if the goal is avoiding more split feeders.


Bull Run


Half of Bull Run ES are neighborhoods way over by Centre Ridge. You are suggesting to move the whole school to Westfield?


Centre Ridge is not a HS, so yes Westfield could feed from 100% of Cub Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Bull Run.

I appreciate this means some Bull Run families might prefer to stay at Centreville and/or would end up with a longer commute. But I see no alternative, especially if we want to move Willow Springs to Centreville and not expand Centreville more than needed. Leaving Westfield, one of the largest high schools in the county, with only four feeders would make no sense. Better not to close on the KAA then let that happen.



So you aren't familiar with the Centreville area?

Your suggestions would basically concentrate all the low income neighborhoods in the Centreville/Chantilly area at Westfield, creating one HS full of economically disadvantaged kids surrounded by other schools with comparatively few disadvantaged kids (CHS, CVHS, KAA, Oakton etc.)

Deer Park: 35% free lunch
London Towne: 48% free lunch
Bull Run: 43% free lunch
Va Run- 35% free lunch
Cub Run: 22% free lunch



Look, people have been complaining regularly about how the northern-most parts of Westfield (which stand to move over to KAA) are separated by Dulles and other commercial areas from the rest of the Westfield district. Westfield with these five feeders would have an enrollment large enough to sustain academic offerings and extra-curricular programs and, even if its FARMS rate increased somewhat (note that all these schools have FARMS rates well below Coates, which will get moved out) the FARMS rate would be lower than Herndon and many other schools further east.

Chantilly already has a lower FARMS rate. Moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly would increase, not decrease, the FARMS rate there. Centreville's FARMS rate would go down if Cub Run were swapped with Willow Springs, but it would still have other higher FARMS feeders. In any event, the rationale isn't to increase or decrease the FARMS rate at Centreville, but instead to make sure Westfield still has enough kids and also finally keep Willow Springs kids from having to travel all the way to Fairfax.

I notice you've offered no alternative, only complaints, so feel free to explain what you think makes sense, starting with who gets assigned to KAA and then addressing the spillover effects on Westfield and other schools.


No dog in this fight as we are not affected but one of the reasons kids flee the poorer high schools is the lack of academic classes and opportunities. A huge increase of farms kids at a school reduces the academic offerings. And, I believe the other high-FARMs rate high schools in FCPS are all much lower enrollment. A 2700 student school with 40+% farms rate is a LOT of needy kids.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 21:24     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:And the other issue is they will not want to increase the farms rate at any of the existing HS by pulling too many well off students out to go to New HS.


Prediction:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
(Crossfield)

This solves bus ride to Westfield on 28 and the overcrowding at Chantilly.
Enables Centreville to off load to Westfield.
They will try to include Crossfield because of the long bus ride to Oakton.
Might allow close Navy kids to return to Chantilly.


Doesn't that pull a lot of the non farms kids from westfield?

Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any areas zoned to Centreville that make sense to move to Westfield


Look again.


Nope, nothing that makes sense if the goal is avoiding more split feeders.


Bull Run


Half of Bull Run ES are neighborhoods way over by Centre Ridge. You are suggesting to move the whole school to Westfield?


Centre Ridge is not a HS, so yes Westfield could feed from 100% of Cub Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Bull Run.

I appreciate this means some Bull Run families might prefer to stay at Centreville and/or would end up with a longer commute. But I see no alternative, especially if we want to move Willow Springs to Centreville and not expand Centreville more than needed. Leaving Westfield, one of the largest high schools in the county, with only four feeders would make no sense. Better not to close on the KAA then let that happen.



So you aren't familiar with the Centreville area?

Your suggestions would basically concentrate all the low income neighborhoods in the Centreville/Chantilly area at Westfield, creating one HS full of economically disadvantaged kids surrounded by other schools with comparatively few disadvantaged kids (CHS, CVHS, KAA, Oakton etc.)

Deer Park: 35% free lunch
London Towne: 48% free lunch
Bull Run: 43% free lunch
Va Run- 35% free lunch
Cub Run: 22% free lunch



In this scenario, what you would get would be hundreds of kids transferring out of WFHS to CVHS or the New Western HS, or Chantilly since it won't be overcrowded anymore, which would make it even more disadvantaged. There's a poverty level tipping point.


Westfield, Centreville, and Chantilly are all AP schools. The new school at KAA will also likely be an AP school as well. It won't be that simple to transfer out of Westfield.


Kids transfer all the time for non AP/IB reasons. Look at the transfer data.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2025 21:20     Subject: King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?
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Anonymous wrote:And the other issue is they will not want to increase the farms rate at any of the existing HS by pulling too many well off students out to go to New HS.


Prediction:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
(Crossfield)

This solves bus ride to Westfield on 28 and the overcrowding at Chantilly.
Enables Centreville to off load to Westfield.
They will try to include Crossfield because of the long bus ride to Oakton.
Might allow close Navy kids to return to Chantilly.


Doesn't that pull a lot of the non farms kids from westfield?

Looking at the map, there don't seem to be any areas zoned to Centreville that make sense to move to Westfield


Look again.


Nope, nothing that makes sense if the goal is avoiding more split feeders.


Bull Run


Half of Bull Run ES are neighborhoods way over by Centre Ridge. You are suggesting to move the whole school to Westfield?


Centre Ridge is not a HS, so yes Westfield could feed from 100% of Cub Run, Virginia Run, Deer Park, London Towne, and Bull Run.

I appreciate this means some Bull Run families might prefer to stay at Centreville and/or would end up with a longer commute. But I see no alternative, especially if we want to move Willow Springs to Centreville and not expand Centreville more than needed. Leaving Westfield, one of the largest high schools in the county, with only four feeders would make no sense. Better not to close on the KAA then let that happen.



So you aren't familiar with the Centreville area?

Your suggestions would basically concentrate all the low income neighborhoods in the Centreville/Chantilly area at Westfield, creating one HS full of economically disadvantaged kids surrounded by other schools with comparatively few disadvantaged kids (CHS, CVHS, KAA, Oakton etc.)

Deer Park: 35% free lunch
London Towne: 48% free lunch
Bull Run: 43% free lunch
Va Run- 35% free lunch
Cub Run: 22% free lunch



In this scenario, what you would get would be hundreds of kids transferring out of WFHS to CVHS or the New Western HS, or Chantilly since it won't be overcrowded anymore, which would make it even more disadvantaged. There's a poverty level tipping point.


Westfield, Centreville, and Chantilly are all AP schools. The new school at KAA will also likely be an AP school as well. It won't be that simple to transfer out of Westfield.