Anonymous
08/28/2023 22:49
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s good for everybody for those schools to join the big 12. It gives academic gravitas to that conference and makes 4 good balanced conferences.
Agree 100%. The Power 5 will now be the Power 4 Conferences.
In 2024, the Big 12 Conference will have 16 teams: ASU, Arizona, Baylor, BYU, UCF, U Cincinnati, U Colorado, U Houston, Iowa State, U Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah, & West Virginia.
Adding Cal, Stanford, Wash State U., & Oregon State would expand the Big 12 Conference up to 20 teams and super-conference status.
Big12 shot this down last night. Said not looking to add anymore Pac12 schools.
I heard Mountain West is still looking for members. LoL.
Oregon State & Washington State will probably join the Mountain West conference (MWC).
Cal is a never been and Stanford is a has been. However the Bay Area is a huge $ market so it might make financial sense for the ACC to take them. As for WSU and Oregon State, they probably will do belong in a 3rd Tier conference. Not sure how WSU flag guy on college game day is going to react though.
I agree the Big12 should think about stealing the CA schools away at a discount. Stanford football has only been bad recently. They have 3 total losing seasons since 2010 (3 of the last 4). Stanford went a BCS level bowl 5 times in that same period. They have had as many Rose Bowl years as losing seasons. The longer-term problem isn't the quality on the field for Stanford, it is the lack of eyeballs despite the Bay Area market and direct connection to leaders at big streaming services.
Don't forget about that natty in '26 either
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/stanford/index.html
(OP here)
Interesting thought, but I suspect that the Big 12 Conference schools do not want to recruit against Stanford.
Big12 already said not interested. They meant it.
You make it sound like the Big 12 never had interest in Stanford and that there wouldn't be added value. That just isn't true.
Anonymous
08/28/2023 22:47
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s good for everybody for those schools to join the big 12. It gives academic gravitas to that conference and makes 4 good balanced conferences.
Agree 100%. The Power 5 will now be the Power 4 Conferences.
In 2024, the Big 12 Conference will have 16 teams: ASU, Arizona, Baylor, BYU, UCF, U Cincinnati, U Colorado, U Houston, Iowa State, U Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah, & West Virginia.
Adding Cal, Stanford, Wash State U., & Oregon State would expand the Big 12 Conference up to 20 teams and super-conference status.
Big12 shot this down last night. Said not looking to add anymore Pac12 schools.
I heard Mountain West is still looking for members. LoL.
Oregon State & Washington State will probably join the Mountain West conference (MWC).
Cal is a never been and Stanford is a has been. However the Bay Area is a huge $ market so it might make financial sense for the ACC to take them. As for WSU and Oregon State, they probably will do belong in a 3rd Tier conference. Not sure how WSU flag guy on college game day is going to react though.
I agree the Big12 should think about stealing the CA schools away at a discount. Stanford football has only been bad recently. They have 3 total losing seasons since 2010 (3 of the last 4). Stanford went a BCS level bowl 5 times in that same period. They have had as many Rose Bowl years as losing seasons. The longer-term problem isn't the quality on the field for Stanford, it is the lack of eyeballs despite the Bay Area market and direct connection to leaders at big streaming services.
Don't forget about that natty in '26 either
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/stanford/index.html
(OP here)
Interesting thought, but I suspect that the Big 12 Conference schools do not want to recruit against Stanford.
Big12 already said not interested. They meant it.
Anonymous
08/28/2023 20:30
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s good for everybody for those schools to join the big 12. It gives academic gravitas to that conference and makes 4 good balanced conferences.
Agree 100%. The Power 5 will now be the Power 4 Conferences.
In 2024, the Big 12 Conference will have 16 teams: ASU, Arizona, Baylor, BYU, UCF, U Cincinnati, U Colorado, U Houston, Iowa State, U Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah, & West Virginia.
Adding Cal, Stanford, Wash State U., & Oregon State would expand the Big 12 Conference up to 20 teams and super-conference status.
Big12 shot this down last night. Said not looking to add anymore Pac12 schools.
I heard Mountain West is still looking for members. LoL.
Oregon State & Washington State will probably join the Mountain West conference (MWC).
Cal is a never been and Stanford is a has been. However the Bay Area is a huge $ market so it might make financial sense for the ACC to take them. As for WSU and Oregon State, they probably will do belong in a 3rd Tier conference. Not sure how WSU flag guy on college game day is going to react though.
I agree the Big12 should think about stealing the CA schools away at a discount. Stanford football has only been bad recently. They have 3 total losing seasons since 2010 (3 of the last 4). Stanford went a BCS level bowl 5 times in that same period. They have had as many Rose Bowl years as losing seasons. The longer-term problem isn't the quality on the field for Stanford, it is the lack of eyeballs despite the Bay Area market and direct connection to leaders at big streaming services.
Don't forget about that natty in '26 either
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/stanford/index.html
(OP here)
Interesting thought, but I suspect that the Big 12 Conference schools do not want to recruit against Stanford.
Anonymous
08/28/2023 18:19
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s good for everybody for those schools to join the big 12. It gives academic gravitas to that conference and makes 4 good balanced conferences.
Agree 100%. The Power 5 will now be the Power 4 Conferences.
In 2024, the Big 12 Conference will have 16 teams: ASU, Arizona, Baylor, BYU, UCF, U Cincinnati, U Colorado, U Houston, Iowa State, U Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah, & West Virginia.
Adding Cal, Stanford, Wash State U., & Oregon State would expand the Big 12 Conference up to 20 teams and super-conference status.
Big12 shot this down last night. Said not looking to add anymore Pac12 schools.
I heard Mountain West is still looking for members. LoL.
Oregon State & Washington State will probably join the Mountain West conference (MWC).
Cal is a never been and Stanford is a has been. However the Bay Area is a huge $ market so it might make financial sense for the ACC to take them. As for WSU and Oregon State, they probably will do belong in a 3rd Tier conference. Not sure how WSU flag guy on college game day is going to react though.
I agree the Big12 should think about stealing the CA schools away at a discount. Stanford football has only been bad recently. They have 3 total losing seasons since 2010 (3 of the last 4). Stanford went a BCS level bowl 5 times in that same period. They have had as many Rose Bowl years as losing seasons. The longer-term problem isn't the quality on the field for Stanford, it is the lack of eyeballs despite the Bay Area market and direct connection to leaders at big streaming services.
Don't forget about that natty in '26 either
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/stanford/index.html
If Stanford recent success had been Cal, then it would be a no brainer. But Cal has been at best mediocre, and Stanford, as a relatively smaller private school, simply doesn't have the eyeballs or care (like Notre Dame) of the bigger schools.
Anonymous
08/28/2023 17:46
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
TONIGHT'S MEETING OF ACC PRESIDENTS has been postponed due to the shooting on the UNC campus.
Anonymous
08/28/2023 17:09
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s good for everybody for those schools to join the big 12. It gives academic gravitas to that conference and makes 4 good balanced conferences.
Agree 100%. The Power 5 will now be the Power 4 Conferences.
In 2024, the Big 12 Conference will have 16 teams: ASU, Arizona, Baylor, BYU, UCF, U Cincinnati, U Colorado, U Houston, Iowa State, U Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah, & West Virginia.
Adding Cal, Stanford, Wash State U., & Oregon State would expand the Big 12 Conference up to 20 teams and super-conference status.
Big12 shot this down last night. Said not looking to add anymore Pac12 schools.
I heard Mountain West is still looking for members. LoL.
Oregon State & Washington State will probably join the Mountain West conference (MWC).
Cal is a never been and Stanford is a has been. However the Bay Area is a huge $ market so it might make financial sense for the ACC to take them. As for WSU and Oregon State, they probably will do belong in a 3rd Tier conference. Not sure how WSU flag guy on college game day is going to react though.
I agree the Big12 should think about stealing the CA schools away at a discount. Stanford football has only been bad recently. They have 3 total losing seasons since 2010 (3 of the last 4). Stanford went a BCS level bowl 5 times in that same period. They have had as many Rose Bowl years as losing seasons. The longer-term problem isn't the quality on the field for Stanford, it is the lack of eyeballs despite the Bay Area market and direct connection to leaders at big streaming services.
Don't forget about that natty in '26 either
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/stanford/index.html
Anonymous
08/28/2023 17:00
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Big 12 should swoop in and get Stanford and Cal on the cheap. They are far better in football viewership than most of last year's Big 12 additions, include an important recruiting and media area as streaming gets more traction in the future, and they would give the Big 12 more legitimacy academically.
The Big 12 was smart to wait things out. They shouldn't offer what a school like Arizona got but $10-15 million/year would be a great deal for the Big 12. OSU and WSU just don't add any value now or longer term.
The Big 12 was smart to wait things out. They shouldn't offer what a school like Arizona got but $10-15 million/year would be a great deal for the Big 12. OSU and WSU just don't add any value now or longer term.
Anonymous
08/28/2023 16:01
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Big 12 turned them down so now they are stuck in the conference of misfit toys ACC? Yuck.
Anonymous
08/28/2023 15:49
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s good for everybody for those schools to join the big 12. It gives academic gravitas to that conference and makes 4 good balanced conferences.
Agree 100%. The Power 5 will now be the Power 4 Conferences.
In 2024, the Big 12 Conference will have 16 teams: ASU, Arizona, Baylor, BYU, UCF, U Cincinnati, U Colorado, U Houston, Iowa State, U Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah, & West Virginia.
Adding Cal, Stanford, Wash State U., & Oregon State would expand the Big 12 Conference up to 20 teams and super-conference status.
Big12 shot this down last night. Said not looking to add anymore Pac12 schools.
I heard Mountain West is still looking for members. LoL.
Oregon State & Washington State will probably join the Mountain West conference (MWC).
Cal is a never been and Stanford is a has been. However the Bay Area is a huge $ market so it might make financial sense for the ACC to take them. As for WSU and Oregon State, they probably will do belong in a 3rd Tier conference. Not sure how WSU flag guy on college game day is going to react though.
Anonymous
08/28/2023 15:17
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Any decision should come by tomorrow (Tuesday, August 29, 2023) as the CFP meeting begins on Wednesday in Dallas, Texas to revamp the CFP.
Anonymous
08/28/2023 15:09
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Tonight, Monday, August 28, 2023, is a big night for the ACC, SMU, Cal, & Stanford:
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-acc-presidents-to-meet-on-conference-expansion-on-monday-night-173527541.html
Cal & Stanford will receive $8 million each plus additional payouts if admitted. SMU will forego media rights payouts for 5 to 7 years--unclear if SMU is eligible for other conference payouts.
(OP again):
To clarify my above post: SMU will forego media rights payout for seven (7) to nine (9) years, but will be eligible for NCAA basketball payout and for CFP (college football playoff) payout.
My thought is that if the ACC holds a formal vote tonight, then it is a done deal.
Anonymous
08/28/2023 15:06
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s good for everybody for those schools to join the big 12. It gives academic gravitas to that conference and makes 4 good balanced conferences.
Agree 100%. The Power 5 will now be the Power 4 Conferences.
In 2024, the Big 12 Conference will have 16 teams: ASU, Arizona, Baylor, BYU, UCF, U Cincinnati, U Colorado, U Houston, Iowa State, U Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah, & West Virginia.
Adding Cal, Stanford, Wash State U., & Oregon State would expand the Big 12 Conference up to 20 teams and super-conference status.
Big12 shot this down last night. Said not looking to add anymore Pac12 schools.
I heard Mountain West is still looking for members. LoL.
Oregon State & Washington State will probably join the Mountain West conference (MWC).
Anonymous
08/28/2023 15:03
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s good for everybody for those schools to join the big 12. It gives academic gravitas to that conference and makes 4 good balanced conferences.
Agree 100%. The Power 5 will now be the Power 4 Conferences.
In 2024, the Big 12 Conference will have 16 teams: ASU, Arizona, Baylor, BYU, UCF, U Cincinnati, U Colorado, U Houston, Iowa State, U Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah, & West Virginia.
Adding Cal, Stanford, Wash State U., & Oregon State would expand the Big 12 Conference up to 20 teams and super-conference status.
Big12 shot this down last night. Said not looking to add anymore Pac12 schools.
I heard Mountain West is still looking for members. LoL.
Anonymous
08/28/2023 15:02
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Tonight, Monday, August 28, 2023, is a big night for the ACC, SMU, Cal, & Stanford:
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-acc-presidents-to-meet-on-conference-expansion-on-monday-night-173527541.html
Cal & Stanford will receive $8 million each plus additional payouts if admitted. SMU will forego media rights payouts for 5 to 7 years--unclear if SMU is eligible for other conference payouts.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-acc-presidents-to-meet-on-conference-expansion-on-monday-night-173527541.html
Cal & Stanford will receive $8 million each plus additional payouts if admitted. SMU will forego media rights payouts for 5 to 7 years--unclear if SMU is eligible for other conference payouts.
Anonymous
08/28/2023 14:14
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s good for everybody for those schools to join the big 12. It gives academic gravitas to that conference and makes 4 good balanced conferences.
Agree 100%. The Power 5 will now be the Power 4 Conferences.
In 2024, the Big 12 Conference will have 16 teams: ASU, Arizona, Baylor, BYU, UCF, U Cincinnati, U Colorado, U Houston, Iowa State, U Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, Utah, & West Virginia.
Adding Cal, Stanford, Wash State U., & Oregon State would expand the Big 12 Conference up to 20 teams and super-conference status.
Big12 shot this down last night. Said not looking to add anymore Pac12 schools.