Anonymous
07/10/2025 15:18
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
It's fine that people think they have a better solution to a year-long age range by adding +30 or +60. But let's be real, what is the likelihood of this actually happening? My guess is zero.
They already changed it to 8/1. People may think this means they can change it a 3rd time. I actually think the opposite - they already put a lot of time and data into correcting to 8/1, likely already considered options like GY and +30 before changing it again, and would give teams less prep time by changing it again. The whole point of announcing a year in advance was to give teams time to prepare, not to allow for soccer mommy and daddy disagreements to lead to more changes. They changed to 8/1 because they overlooked school district data.
Commenters act like the powers that be didn't already consider +30 or +60 already, like it's some genius new idea that can only be learned on a soccer mom message board. They already considered this idea and it gained zero traction.
It ain't gonna happen. This thread is made for discussions like this, but that's as far as it'll go.
They already changed it to 8/1. People may think this means they can change it a 3rd time. I actually think the opposite - they already put a lot of time and data into correcting to 8/1, likely already considered options like GY and +30 before changing it again, and would give teams less prep time by changing it again. The whole point of announcing a year in advance was to give teams time to prepare, not to allow for soccer mommy and daddy disagreements to lead to more changes. They changed to 8/1 because they overlooked school district data.
Commenters act like the powers that be didn't already consider +30 or +60 already, like it's some genius new idea that can only be learned on a soccer mom message board. They already considered this idea and it gained zero traction.
It ain't gonna happen. This thread is made for discussions like this, but that's as far as it'll go.
Anonymous
07/10/2025 15:16
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
Please explain EXACTLY how SY+30 would work? And how it would affect July birthdays
SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff would allow July birthdays in a specific grade to play down with their grade. If youre a July birthday but not in that grade you cant play down.
Aug and July verification would require a birth cert and proof of grade in school. All other months of the year only need a birth cert. Players caught cheating will be forced to play with their grade and the team will forfeit games.
Above is to address July birthdays
Most people only want to address Aug birthdays so in this case SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff works.
Okay, so do you not see the hypocrisy of your proposal? You are allowing players to cheat by playing below their biological age cutoff!!!
Anonymous
07/10/2025 15:15
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What league is going with a 9/1 cutoff? Also, unfortunately the July birthdays wouldn't be allowed to play down be it is against the rules and they started school a year late.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
Please explain EXACTLY how SY+30 would work? And how it would affect July birthdays
SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff would allow July birthdays in a specific grade to play down with their grade. If youre a July birthday but not in that grade you cant play down.
Aug and July verification would require a birth cert and proof of grade in school. All other months of the year only need a birth cert. Players caught cheating will be forced to play with their grade and the team will forfeit games.
Above is to address July birthdays
Most people only want to address Aug birthdays so in this case SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff works.
Some school districts start in July. Its a fact.
Which ones?
It wouldn't matter if I posted a link showing the districts that start in July you wouldn't believe it or youd discount them saying that theres so few it doesnt matter.
However with SY+60 it doesnt matter because a parent with a july birthday kid would need to hold them back in school to take advantage of playing down.
MO, KY, ND and HI have 7-31 start dates. I, for one, am ok with making it 8-1 +32. Why 32? To take into account those 4 states with the 7-31 start date AND to address potential time zone changes between HI and EST.
S/ just in case it is needed
Anonymous
07/10/2025 15:12
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What league is going with a 9/1 cutoff? Also, unfortunately the July birthdays wouldn't be allowed to play down be it is against the rules and they started school a year late.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
Please explain EXACTLY how SY+30 would work? And how it would affect July birthdays
SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff would allow July birthdays in a specific grade to play down with their grade. If youre a July birthday but not in that grade you cant play down.
Aug and July verification would require a birth cert and proof of grade in school. All other months of the year only need a birth cert. Players caught cheating will be forced to play with their grade and the team will forfeit games.
Above is to address July birthdays
Most people only want to address Aug birthdays so in this case SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff works.
Ummm doofus MLSN+GA haven't announced what or if they play to do anything with SY yet.
People keep talking like MLSN and GA are tied at the hip. They have a loose alliance but are run by completely different organizations. I think the true top MLS teams will probably stay BY, as will ODP, but all others, including GA, are going 8-1.
Anonymous
07/10/2025 15:09
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What league is going with a 9/1 cutoff? Also, unfortunately the July birthdays wouldn't be allowed to play down be it is against the rules and they started school a year late.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
Please explain EXACTLY how SY+30 would work? And how it would affect July birthdays
SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff would allow July birthdays in a specific grade to play down with their grade. If youre a July birthday but not in that grade you cant play down.
Aug and July verification would require a birth cert and proof of grade in school. All other months of the year only need a birth cert. Players caught cheating will be forced to play with their grade and the team will forfeit games.
Above is to address July birthdays
Most people only want to address Aug birthdays so in this case SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff works.
Some school districts start in July. Its a fact.
Which ones?
It wouldn't matter if I posted a link showing the districts that start in July you wouldn't believe it or youd discount them saying that theres so few it doesnt matter.
However with SY+60 it doesnt matter because a parent with a july birthday kid would need to hold them back in school to take advantage of playing down.
Anonymous
07/10/2025 15:08
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What league is going with a 9/1 cutoff? Also, unfortunately the July birthdays wouldn't be allowed to play down be it is against the rules and they started school a year late.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
Please explain EXACTLY how SY+30 would work? And how it would affect July birthdays
SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff would allow July birthdays in a specific grade to play down with their grade. If youre a July birthday but not in that grade you cant play down.
Aug and July verification would require a birth cert and proof of grade in school. All other months of the year only need a birth cert. Players caught cheating will be forced to play with their grade and the team will forfeit games.
Above is to address July birthdays
Most people only want to address Aug birthdays so in this case SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff works.
Some school districts start in July. It's a fact.
Oh FFS. Yes 2-3 states have 7-31 start dates. No state has an earlier start than 7-31. I have prided myself on not calling anyone names on here but you have tested that at this point.
Anonymous
07/10/2025 15:04
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:What league is going with a 9/1 cutoff? Also, unfortunately the July birthdays wouldn't be allowed to play down be it is against the rules and they started school a year late.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
Please explain EXACTLY how SY+30 would work? And how it would affect July birthdays
SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff would allow July birthdays in a specific grade to play down with their grade. If youre a July birthday but not in that grade you cant play down.
Aug and July verification would require a birth cert and proof of grade in school. All other months of the year only need a birth cert. Players caught cheating will be forced to play with their grade and the team will forfeit games.
Above is to address July birthdays
Most people only want to address Aug birthdays so in this case SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff works.
Ummm doofus MLSN+GA haven't announced what or if they play to do anything with SY yet.
Anonymous
07/10/2025 15:04
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What league is going with a 9/1 cutoff? Also, unfortunately the July birthdays wouldn't be allowed to play down be it is against the rules and they started school a year late.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
Please explain EXACTLY how SY+30 would work? And how it would affect July birthdays
SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff would allow July birthdays in a specific grade to play down with their grade. If youre a July birthday but not in that grade you cant play down.
Aug and July verification would require a birth cert and proof of grade in school. All other months of the year only need a birth cert. Players caught cheating will be forced to play with their grade and the team will forfeit games.
Above is to address July birthdays
Most people only want to address Aug birthdays so in this case SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff works.
Some school districts start in July. Its a fact.
Which ones?
Anonymous
07/10/2025 15:03
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:What league is going with a 9/1 cutoff? Also, unfortunately the July birthdays wouldn't be allowed to play down be it is against the rules and they started school a year late.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
Please explain EXACTLY how SY+30 would work? And how it would affect July birthdays
SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff would allow July birthdays in a specific grade to play down with their grade. If youre a July birthday but not in that grade you cant play down.
Aug and July verification would require a birth cert and proof of grade in school. All other months of the year only need a birth cert. Players caught cheating will be forced to play with their grade and the team will forfeit games.
Above is to address July birthdays
Most people only want to address Aug birthdays so in this case SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff works.
Some school districts start in July. Its a fact.
Anonymous
07/10/2025 15:00
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
What league is going with a 9/1 cutoff? Also, unfortunately the July birthdays wouldn't be allowed to play down be it is against the rules and they started school a year late.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
Please explain EXACTLY how SY+30 would work? And how it would affect July birthdays
SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff would allow July birthdays in a specific grade to play down with their grade. If youre a July birthday but not in that grade you cant play down.
Aug and July verification would require a birth cert and proof of grade in school. All other months of the year only need a birth cert. Players caught cheating will be forced to play with their grade and the team will forfeit games.
Above is to address July birthdays
Most people only want to address Aug birthdays so in this case SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff works.
Anonymous
07/10/2025 15:00
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, youth soccer doesn't work on the letter writing campaign system or have to adjust to pressure exhibited on an Internet forum.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
You are delusional if believe that the more you spam this site with waiver garbage that the more likely your wish casting will stick to the wall.
This is exactly how it works and is exactly why ECNL changed from 9/1 to an 8/1 cutoff.
No, it changed because clubs like SLSG and Indy Premier, who have a large voice, wanted 8-1 due to their home state school cut offs. Literally nobody is asking for a "plus system". Nobody except you I guess.
Anonymous
07/10/2025 14:58
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:No, youth soccer doesn't work on the letter writing campaign system or have to adjust to pressure exhibited on an Internet forum.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
You are delusional if believe that the more you spam this site with waiver garbage that the more likely your wish casting will stick to the wall.
This is exactly how it works and is exactly why ECNL changed from 9/1 to an 8/1 cutoff.
Anonymous
07/10/2025 14:57
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Right, nobody will be allowed to play down. The ECNL leadership said on an earlier podcast that playing down was looked askew. 8/1 - 7/31 it is.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If SY+30 gives you the same end solution as GY, you are making an argument for GY. Most surveyed prefered a straight 12 month window without waivers though.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because only grad year solves 100 percent but is open to the criticism of an age window over 12 months. 8/1 solves 98 percent of the problem, it worked well until a euro weenie for hire butchered things. We are just resetting things to a time when things worked better.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff gives the same end solution as GY. You end up with all players on the field graduating the same year. Which is exactly what recruiters want.
What SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff does not allow is regrades playing down. GY allows this and is where you end up with 16 year old freshman or 20 year old high school seniors.
No i dont agree with letting players play down. It creates situations where table stakes for playing a sport becomes being held back several years in school. This is the issue with GY.
Anonymous
07/10/2025 14:57
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
Please explain EXACTLY how SY+30 would work? And how it would affect July birthdays
SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff would allow July birthdays in a specific grade to play down with their grade. If youre a July birthday but not in that grade you cant play down.
Aug and July verification would require a birth cert and proof of grade in school. All other months of the year only need a birth cert. Players caught cheating will be forced to play with their grade and the team will forfeit games.
Above is to address July birthdays
Most people only want to address Aug birthdays so in this case SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff works.
Anonymous
07/10/2025 14:53
Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
No, youth soccer doesn't work on the letter writing campaign system or have to adjust to pressure exhibited on an Internet forum.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You must be a Russian bot because nobody else would be invested in such a ridiculous idea as trying to invent and rabidly defend the perfect miscellaneous carve out system which can't exist obviously in a zero sum game.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, of course entities go with a solution that solves 90 percent of the problem all of the time.Anonymous wrote:You dont create solutions that address 90% of the issue. Ignoring the other 10%. Same thing with Aug birthdays you cant just let them choose if they want to play with their grade or play down a grade. This is the issue.
What will happen over time is more school districs will start earlier. Which will expand the 10% youre ignoring to 15% or even higher. Also because Aug is the oldest player possible for an age group there will be more of them over time. If theres more Aug birthdays there will be more Aug birthdays choosing to play down a grade.
By choosing to ignore these issues youve created a ticking time bomb that will only get worse over time. The squeaky wheels will get louder and louder. Once it hits a certain threshold soccer will address the issue in the dumbest way possible. Most likely with a league approved individual waiver program. Which club docs and coaches will exploit selling to the highest bidder. (This happened with DA and HS soccer waivers)
People that have been around youth soccer for a while know exactly what will happen next. People that understand math and trajectories over time also know exactly what will happen next.
Address the issues now with something like SY+30 or even SY+60 and all future issues go away.
Why not address 100% of the issues day 1 after switching from BY to SY?
That has been outlined for you multiple times.
I am genuinely curious as to your end game with this? is it just entertainment for you? Do you actually think posting here 300 times will actually impact change? Do you have a kid that is impacted by this and it is somehow cathartic to think you are doing something/anything to help him/her? Do you think you will actually change anyones mind to your side at this point (maybe you did 3 months ago but hasn't everyone been exposed to all sides by now)?
It seems like a tremendous amount of time and effort that could be used in more productive ways. The fact that you respond very quickly to antagonists would suggest you are on here multiple times a day for extended periods of time.
Maybe use the time kicking a ball with your child instead of arguing with strangers on the internet?
It will be fun watching you choke on your own bile when MLS+GA announce something different than the foregone conclusion youve defined in your head.
I never said it wouldn't just questioning the time and effort on a random message board that will have literally zero impact on the final decision. I dont think the powers that be are monitoring this board that closely. Not trying to be mean just suggesting there are better ways to spend your time. That's all.
So your time spent on DCUM is better spent then others?
Go away loser. Worry about yourself.
Math is not ridiculous.
The more people hear about SY+30 the more likely it becomes.
You are delusional if believe that the more you spam this site with waiver garbage that the more likely your wish casting will stick to the wall.