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Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, if this was a family job, they would’ve done it a different night of the week not Saturday night where she was known to gather with friends the next day for church. It would give them more time to dispose of the bodies create alibi.

There could have been argument and it was unplanned.

An argument? What did the mother try to play a joker in a pair during Mahjong?

You, my friend, have clearly never been the caretaker for an 80 something year old woman. Arguments are frequent (depending on the person) because they lose their filter.

This, so this. Even when Savannah did a lovely tribute to her mom she said something like...she will tell you what she thinks whether you like it or not. When someone loses their filter (even without dementia) that can turn into sharp verbal daggers with no self-awareness or empathy.

I Engage with my PITA mother-in-law all the time who says horrifying things and I’ve never gotten in an argument with her. That’s called emotional maturity.

Maybe they were telling her it was time for assisted living and it escalated. You have no idea.

That would warrant a murder in your family?

No one is saying any of this would make us murder our family members. Stop with your straw man argument. It's nonsensical.

Well, which is it? Either you’re emotionally mature enough to handle an argument with an elderly person or even though you were one of their closest caretakers you flip and chop them up?

Oh, so there's no daylight between "Yes, I would occasional push back on an unkind comment by my mother," and "I would murder her?" Weird take.

That's precisely my point. The PP said "There could have been argument and it was unplanned." What kind of argument leads to a murder?

Ask Chris Watts, Nick Reiner, Drew Peterson….

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Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, if this was a family job, they would’ve done it a different night of the week not Saturday night where she was known to gather with friends the next day for church. It would give them more time to dispose of the bodies create alibi.

There could have been argument and it was unplanned.

An argument? What did the mother try to play a joker in a pair during Mahjong?

You, my friend, have clearly never been the caretaker for an 80 something year old woman. Arguments are frequent (depending on the person) because they lose their filter.

This, so this. Even when Savannah did a lovely tribute to her mom she said something like...she will tell you what she thinks whether you like it or not. When someone loses their filter (even without dementia) that can turn into sharp verbal daggers with no self-awareness or empathy.

I Engage with my PITA mother-in-law all the time who says horrifying things and I’ve never gotten in an argument with her. That’s called emotional maturity.

Maybe they were telling her it was time for assisted living and it escalated. You have no idea.

That would warrant a murder in your family?

No one is saying any of this would make us murder our family members. Stop with your straw man argument. It's nonsensical.

Well, which is it? Either you’re emotionally mature enough to handle an argument with an elderly person or even though you were one of their closest caretakers you flip and chop them up?

Oh, so there's no daylight between "Yes, I would occasional push back on an unkind comment by my mother," and "I would murder her?" Weird take.

That's precisely my point. The PP said "There could have been argument and it was unplanned." What kind of argument leads to a murder?

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Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, if this was a family job, they would’ve done it a different night of the week not Saturday night where she was known to gather with friends the next day for church. It would give them more time to dispose of the bodies create alibi.

There could have been argument and it was unplanned.

An argument? What did the mother try to play a joker in a pair during Mahjong?

You, my friend, have clearly never been the caretaker for an 80 something year old woman. Arguments are frequent (depending on the person) because they lose their filter.

This, so this. Even when Savannah did a lovely tribute to her mom she said something like...she will tell you what she thinks whether you like it or not. When someone loses their filter (even without dementia) that can turn into sharp verbal daggers with no self-awareness or empathy.

I Engage with my PITA mother-in-law all the time who says horrifying things and I’ve never gotten in an argument with her. That’s called emotional maturity.

Maybe they were telling her it was time for assisted living and it escalated. You have no idea.

That would warrant a murder in your family?

No one is saying any of this would make us murder our family members. Stop with your straw man argument. It's nonsensical.

Well, which is it? Either you’re emotionally mature enough to handle an argument with an elderly person or even though you were one of their closest caretakers you flip and chop them up?

Oh, so there's no daylight between "Yes, I would occasional push back on an unkind comment by my mother," and "I would murder her?" Weird take.

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Anonymous wrote:Another comment on another board asked if this was a birthday dinner for Nancy as her birthday was 1/27. If it was a birthday dinner, how interesting that none of her friends attended or other family members.

That’s not awfully interesting. 84 is a great age, but not a “milestone” birthday. A dinner at my house is exactly how I expect my own parents would hope to celebrate.

It’s interesting in that if it was planned as a celebration, given her recent birthday, that there were no other guests or witnesses to the dinner. Did she actually make it to the dinner? Was there a dinner?

The uber driver may have picked up a woman, but was it the mother?

Do you have local family? I think people who don't think get togethers need to be huge/momentous. We have annual birthday celebrations with my local MIL where no friends are invited! Not everything has to be a huge party. We just had one last week where we went do dinner then came back for cake. She had lunch separately with her friends. Not "interesting" at all- you are really trying to twist this into something nefarious.

Often elderly folks prefer small gatherings. When my grandma turned 90 we did a big extended family gathering. It wiped her out for the next month-lots of sleeping and exhaustion from too much excitement. She preferred brief visits with just a few people at a time.

This has nothing to do with elder preferences but establishing a scenario and supporting alibi.

If the police have no one to ask, you can’t possibly be found guilty.

If it’s just the three of you, and you’re living ten minutes away from each other, why is there a need for an Uber? Presumably time is flexible if others are not invited and if you had something to do, you could swing by and pick mom up right after or even have her ride along while you ran your errand.

The food would still be hot if you leave and grab her after you’re finished cooking.

If your kid needed to be dropped off at a sleepover or other event, same thing, logistics can be arranged that include stopping to pick her up.

But if you need to have someone else see her being brought to your home, to prove she was at a dinner with you, then you need the Uber.

There’s very few reasons to require an 84yo to Uber to your home for dinner.

It's not unusual for older people to take ubers in situations like this to go to someone's house, even when they are offered rides. My elderly great aunt was always telling me "I'll hop in a cab!" or "I'll just hop in an uber!" (after she learned to use it) when I invited her over, even if I offered a ride.

It was harder for her to refuse the ride back home because I was right there insisting in person with the keys in my hand.

For a ten minute car ride?

Yes--we live in neighboring towns. Very close. But you have to understand someone like my aunt drove herself for many years and was very proud of that independence, especially as a woman. Taking an uber herself and not relying on me still gives her a sense of that independence she was so proud of.

Nancy used a cane and had constant pain, she probably would’ve needed help getting in and out of the Uber. It doesn’t strike me as a scenario where she would select an Uber who may be rude or unhelpful, even rushing her off to pickup the next person rather than have her daughter or son in law come and seemingly help her get into the car and out of the car.

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Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, if this was a family job, they would’ve done it a different night of the week not Saturday night where she was known to gather with friends the next day for church. It would give them more time to dispose of the bodies create alibi.

There could have been argument and it was unplanned.

An argument? What did the mother try to play a joker in a pair during Mahjong?

You, my friend, have clearly never been the caretaker for an 80 something year old woman. Arguments are frequent (depending on the person) because they lose their filter.

You are lower than low if you engage in an argument with an 84 year-old.

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Not the poster you are referring to, but you clearly have not dealt with someone with no filter. It's not about arguing, it's about getting away and trying de-escalate. My own mother has been fired by doctors/nurses/drivers/lawyers etc and she has been asked to leave places. When she screams, they have needed to scream back when she won't calmly leave. nobody can force her take calming meds. Not saying this is Savannah's mom, but it's not like some gentle soul gives a little tiny eruption. They get fixated and it's very difficult to de-escalate. It takes endless patience, serenity and emotional maturity and not everyone has that.

I posted above that I have to interact with my mother-in-law who is just like this. I cannot imagine any situation to which she pisses me off so bad that I chop her up to pieces and flush down the toilet.

Oh ok. What happened to Nancy then?

You would kill your mother-in-law if she pissed you off over dinner? You wouldn’t walk away, you wouldn’t take a break? You wouldn’t just take her home? This seems like you feel it’s a common narrative. Has this happened to you before?

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Anonymous wrote:Another comment on another board asked if this was a birthday dinner for Nancy as her birthday was 1/27. If it was a birthday dinner, how interesting that none of her friends attended or other family members.

That’s not awfully interesting. 84 is a great age, but not a “milestone” birthday. A dinner at my house is exactly how I expect my own parents would hope to celebrate.

It’s interesting in that if it was planned as a celebration, given her recent birthday, that there were no other guests or witnesses to the dinner. Did she actually make it to the dinner? Was there a dinner?

The uber driver may have picked up a woman, but was it the mother?

Do you have local family? I think people who don't think get togethers need to be huge/momentous. We have annual birthday celebrations with my local MIL where no friends are invited! Not everything has to be a huge party. We just had one last week where we went do dinner then came back for cake. She had lunch separately with her friends. Not "interesting" at all- you are really trying to twist this into something nefarious.

Often elderly folks prefer small gatherings. When my grandma turned 90 we did a big extended family gathering. It wiped her out for the next month-lots of sleeping and exhaustion from too much excitement. She preferred brief visits with just a few people at a time.

This has nothing to do with elder preferences but establishing a scenario and supporting alibi.

If the police have no one to ask, you can’t possibly be found guilty.

If it’s just the three of you, and you’re living ten minutes away from each other, why is there a need for an Uber? Presumably time is flexible if others are not invited and if you had something to do, you could swing by and pick mom up right after or even have her ride along while you ran your errand.

The food would still be hot if you leave and grab her after you’re finished cooking.

If your kid needed to be dropped off at a sleepover or other event, same thing, logistics can be arranged that include stopping to pick her up.

But if you need to have someone else see her being brought to your home, to prove she was at a dinner with you, then you need the Uber.

There’s very few reasons to require an 84yo to Uber to your home for dinner.

It's not unusual for older people to take ubers in situations like this to go to someone's house, even when they are offered rides. My elderly great aunt was always telling me "I'll hop in a cab!" or "I'll just hop in an uber!" (after she learned to use it) when I invited her over, even if I offered a ride.

It was harder for her to refuse the ride back home because I was right there insisting in person with the keys in my hand.

For a ten minute car ride?

NP, but you seem to underestimate how much some elderly people cherish their independence. They do NOT want to rely on others for rides. If they can't drive, they want to get a cab or an uber or take public transport (shudder. count your lucky stars if your parent doesnt insist on this like my 81 year old mother with balance issues does). So yes. If I invite my mom over for dinner and say "I'LL PICK YOU UP ON MY WAY HOME FROM WORK!" she will say equally forcefully "NO THAT'S OK YOU ARE SO BUSY! I WILL TAKE THE BUS!" and I will say "if you take the bus, mom, I'm going to have a stroke and not be able to cook you dinner." and she'll say "fine, then I'll take an uber!" she is so proud of herself for knowing how to use the app and loves the freedom it gives her to go wherever she wants whenever she wants.

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Anonymous wrote:Another comment on another board asked if this was a birthday dinner for Nancy as her birthday was 1/27. If it was a birthday dinner, how interesting that none of her friends attended or other family members.

That’s not awfully interesting. 84 is a great age, but not a “milestone” birthday. A dinner at my house is exactly how I expect my own parents would hope to celebrate.

It’s interesting in that if it was planned as a celebration, given her recent birthday, that there were no other guests or witnesses to the dinner. Did she actually make it to the dinner? Was there a dinner?

The uber driver may have picked up a woman, but was it the mother?

Do you have local family? I think people who don't think get togethers need to be huge/momentous. We have annual birthday celebrations with my local MIL where no friends are invited! Not everything has to be a huge party. We just had one last week where we went do dinner then came back for cake. She had lunch separately with her friends. Not "interesting" at all- you are really trying to twist this into something nefarious.

Often elderly folks prefer small gatherings. When my grandma turned 90 we did a big extended family gathering. It wiped her out for the next month-lots of sleeping and exhaustion from too much excitement. She preferred brief visits with just a few people at a time.

This has nothing to do with elder preferences but establishing a scenario and supporting alibi.

If the police have no one to ask, you can’t possibly be found guilty.

If it’s just the three of you, and you’re living ten minutes away from each other, why is there a need for an Uber? Presumably time is flexible if others are not invited and if you had something to do, you could swing by and pick mom up right after or even have her ride along while you ran your errand.

The food would still be hot if you leave and grab her after you’re finished cooking.

If your kid needed to be dropped off at a sleepover or other event, same thing, logistics can be arranged that include stopping to pick her up.

But if you need to have someone else see her being brought to your home, to prove she was at a dinner with you, then you need the Uber.

There’s very few reasons to require an 84yo to Uber to your home for dinner.

It's not unusual for older people to take ubers in situations like this to go to someone's house, even when they are offered rides. My elderly great aunt was always telling me "I'll hop in a cab!" or "I'll just hop in an uber!" (after she learned to use it) when I invited her over, even if I offered a ride.

It was harder for her to refuse the ride back home because I was right there insisting in person with the keys in my hand.

For a ten minute car ride?

Yes. Because it's multiple times a week and twenty minutes round trip.

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Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, if this was a family job, they would’ve done it a different night of the week not Saturday night where she was known to gather with friends the next day for church. It would give them more time to dispose of the bodies create alibi.

There could have been argument and it was unplanned.

An argument? What did the mother try to play a joker in a pair during Mahjong?

You, my friend, have clearly never been the caretaker for an 80 something year old woman. Arguments are frequent (depending on the person) because they lose their filter.

This, so this. Even when Savannah did a lovely tribute to her mom she said something like...she will tell you what she thinks whether you like it or not. When someone loses their filter (even without dementia) that can turn into sharp verbal daggers with no self-awareness or empathy.

I Engage with my PITA mother-in-law all the time who says horrifying things and I’ve never gotten in an argument with her. That’s called emotional maturity.

Maybe they were telling her it was time for assisted living and it escalated. You have no idea.

That would warrant a murder in your family?

No one is saying any of this would make us murder our family members. Stop with your straw man argument. It's nonsensical.

Well, which is it? Either you’re emotionally mature enough to handle an argument with an elderly person or even though you were one of their closest caretakers you flip and chop them up?

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Anonymous wrote:Another comment on another board asked if this was a birthday dinner for Nancy as her birthday was 1/27. If it was a birthday dinner, how interesting that none of her friends attended or other family members.

That’s not awfully interesting. 84 is a great age, but not a “milestone” birthday. A dinner at my house is exactly how I expect my own parents would hope to celebrate.

It’s interesting in that if it was planned as a celebration, given her recent birthday, that there were no other guests or witnesses to the dinner. Did she actually make it to the dinner? Was there a dinner?

The uber driver may have picked up a woman, but was it the mother?

Do you have local family? I think people who don't think get togethers need to be huge/momentous. We have annual birthday celebrations with my local MIL where no friends are invited! Not everything has to be a huge party. We just had one last week where we went do dinner then came back for cake. She had lunch separately with her friends. Not "interesting" at all- you are really trying to twist this into something nefarious.

Often elderly folks prefer small gatherings. When my grandma turned 90 we did a big extended family gathering. It wiped her out for the next month-lots of sleeping and exhaustion from too much excitement. She preferred brief visits with just a few people at a time.

This has nothing to do with elder preferences but establishing a scenario and supporting alibi.

If the police have no one to ask, you can’t possibly be found guilty.

If it’s just the three of you, and you’re living ten minutes away from each other, why is there a need for an Uber? Presumably time is flexible if others are not invited and if you had something to do, you could swing by and pick mom up right after or even have her ride along while you ran your errand.

The food would still be hot if you leave and grab her after you’re finished cooking.

If your kid needed to be dropped off at a sleepover or other event, same thing, logistics can be arranged that include stopping to pick her up.

But if you need to have someone else see her being brought to your home, to prove she was at a dinner with you, then you need the Uber.

There’s very few reasons to require an 84yo to Uber to your home for dinner.

It's not unusual for older people to take ubers in situations like this to go to someone's house, even when they are offered rides. My elderly great aunt was always telling me "I'll hop in a cab!" or "I'll just hop in an uber!" (after she learned to use it) when I invited her over, even if I offered a ride.

It was harder for her to refuse the ride back home because I was right there insisting in person with the keys in my hand.

For a ten minute car ride?

Yes--we live in neighboring towns. Very close. But you have to understand someone like my aunt drove herself for many years and was very proud of that independence, especially as a woman. Taking an uber herself and not relying on me still gives her a sense of that independence she was so proud of.

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Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, if this was a family job, they would’ve done it a different night of the week not Saturday night where she was known to gather with friends the next day for church. It would give them more time to dispose of the bodies create alibi.

There could have been argument and it was unplanned.

An argument? What did the mother try to play a joker in a pair during Mahjong?

You, my friend, have clearly never been the caretaker for an 80 something year old woman. Arguments are frequent (depending on the person) because they lose their filter.

This, so this. Even when Savannah did a lovely tribute to her mom she said something like...she will tell you what she thinks whether you like it or not. When someone loses their filter (even without dementia) that can turn into sharp verbal daggers with no self-awareness or empathy.

I Engage with my PITA mother-in-law all the time who says horrifying things and I’ve never gotten in an argument with her. That’s called emotional maturity.

Maybe they were telling her it was time for assisted living and it escalated. You have no idea.

That would warrant a murder in your family?

No one is saying any of this would make us murder our family members. Stop with your straw man argument. It's nonsensical.

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Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, if this was a family job, they would’ve done it a different night of the week not Saturday night where she was known to gather with friends the next day for church. It would give them more time to dispose of the bodies create alibi.

The church thing turned out to be not true. Which also raises questions for me about how that information became so prominent in the narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:Another comment on another board asked if this was a birthday dinner for Nancy as her birthday was 1/27. If it was a birthday dinner, how interesting that none of her friends attended or other family members.

That’s not awfully interesting. 84 is a great age, but not a “milestone” birthday. A dinner at my house is exactly how I expect my own parents would hope to celebrate.

It’s interesting in that if it was planned as a celebration, given her recent birthday, that there were no other guests or witnesses to the dinner. Did she actually make it to the dinner? Was there a dinner?

The uber driver may have picked up a woman, but was it the mother?

Do you have local family? I think people who don't think get togethers need to be huge/momentous. We have annual birthday celebrations with my local MIL where no friends are invited! Not everything has to be a huge party. We just had one last week where we went do dinner then came back for cake. She had lunch separately with her friends. Not "interesting" at all- you are really trying to twist this into something nefarious.

Often elderly folks prefer small gatherings. When my grandma turned 90 we did a big extended family gathering. It wiped her out for the next month-lots of sleeping and exhaustion from too much excitement. She preferred brief visits with just a few people at a time.

This has nothing to do with elder preferences but establishing a scenario and supporting alibi.

If the police have no one to ask, you can’t possibly be found guilty.

If it’s just the three of you, and you’re living ten minutes away from each other, why is there a need for an Uber? Presumably time is flexible if others are not invited and if you had something to do, you could swing by and pick mom up right after or even have her ride along while you ran your errand.

The food would still be hot if you leave and grab her after you’re finished cooking.

If your kid needed to be dropped off at a sleepover or other event, same thing, logistics can be arranged that include stopping to pick her up.

But if you need to have someone else see her being brought to your home, to prove she was at a dinner with you, then you need the Uber.

There’s very few reasons to require an 84yo to Uber to your home for dinner.

It's not unusual for older people to take ubers in situations like this to go to someone's house, even when they are offered rides. My elderly great aunt was always telling me "I'll hop in a cab!" or "I'll just hop in an uber!" (after she learned to use it) when I invited her over, even if I offered a ride.

It was harder for her to refuse the ride back home because I was right there insisting in person with the keys in my hand.

For a ten minute car ride?