Anonymous
06/11/2024 11:14
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
No, bike riders simply want to not die on the streets. Also, bonus, if it is safe to ride, then others who are not as fearless as those who ride currently, may give it a shot, and that opens up driving lanes and parking spaces for the people who want to, or have no choice but to drive.
This idea that expanding bikes lanes pulls cars off the streets is completely nonsense. Cars are expensive to own and extremely convenient, and I'd like to see the evidence that expanding bike lanes means fewer cars on the streets. If anything, bike lanes are probably pulling people out of public transportation. Whatever the case, the effect is surely small because there's so few cyclists in this city to begin with.
You keep saying there are so fewer cyclists and it is just wrong. Tens of millions of bikes sold in the US each year. Hundreds of thousands of capital bikeshare rides each month. And if you think a the metro commuter from Shady Grove is cycling in over the Ward 4 Chevy Chase resident who wants to ride safely but can't, I don't know what to tell you.
The number of cyclists in DC is tiny, and surveys show it is shrinking. It's not just bikes. Every mode of transportation is becoming less popular except driving.
yessss like all that CaBi data smashing trips-taken records. Definitely shows nobody is interested in biking.
https://ggwash.org/view/93270/bikeshare-beat-cabi-continues-to-break-records-through-march
Anonymous
06/11/2024 11:13
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
No, bike riders simply want to not die on the streets. Also, bonus, if it is safe to ride, then others who are not as fearless as those who ride currently, may give it a shot, and that opens up driving lanes and parking spaces for the people who want to, or have no choice but to drive.
This idea that expanding bikes lanes pulls cars off the streets is completely nonsense. Cars are expensive to own and extremely convenient, and I'd like to see the evidence that expanding bike lanes means fewer cars on the streets. If anything, bike lanes are probably pulling people out of public transportation. Whatever the case, the effect is surely small because there's so few cyclists in this city to begin with.
You keep saying there are so fewer cyclists and it is just wrong. Tens of millions of bikes sold in the US each year. Hundreds of thousands of capital bikeshare rides each month. And if you think a the metro commuter from Shady Grove is cycling in over the Ward 4 Chevy Chase resident who wants to ride safely but can't, I don't know what to tell you.
The number of cyclists in DC is tiny, and surveys show it is shrinking. It's not just bikes. Every mode of transportation is becoming less popular except driving.
yessss like all that CaBi data smashing trips-taken records. Definitely shows nobody is interested in biking.
Anonymous
06/11/2024 11:08
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
No, bike riders simply want to not die on the streets. Also, bonus, if it is safe to ride, then others who are not as fearless as those who ride currently, may give it a shot, and that opens up driving lanes and parking spaces for the people who want to, or have no choice but to drive.
You could just not ride bikes on very busy streets. That's an easy way to avoid dying.
Except the busy streets have the places to buy food. Maybe the way to avoid dying is for motorists to acknowledge cyclists are using the same roads and lanes and follow the law, the same as is requested for cyclists.[/quote]
Let us know when you find a traffic law cyclists are willing to obey.
Anonymous
06/11/2024 11:07
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
No, bike riders simply want to not die on the streets. Also, bonus, if it is safe to ride, then others who are not as fearless as those who ride currently, may give it a shot, and that opens up driving lanes and parking spaces for the people who want to, or have no choice but to drive.
You could just not ride bikes on very busy streets. That's an easy way to avoid dying.
Except the busy streets have the places to buy food. Maybe the way to avoid dying is for motorists to acknowledge cyclists are using the same roads and lanes and follow the law, the same as is requested for cyclists.
Check this out: It turns out you won't starve if you can't ride your bike.
I did some research and it turns out DC has a whole subway system. If that's not your thing, we also have a bus system. Don't like the bus? There's ubers. There's water taxis. You can even walk! We have sidewalks everywhere!
There's so many transportation options here.
Anonymous
06/11/2024 11:03
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
No, bike riders simply want to not die on the streets. Also, bonus, if it is safe to ride, then others who are not as fearless as those who ride currently, may give it a shot, and that opens up driving lanes and parking spaces for the people who want to, or have no choice but to drive.
This idea that expanding bikes lanes pulls cars off the streets is completely nonsense. Cars are expensive to own and extremely convenient, and I'd like to see the evidence that expanding bike lanes means fewer cars on the streets. If anything, bike lanes are probably pulling people out of public transportation. Whatever the case, the effect is surely small because there's so few cyclists in this city to begin with.
You keep saying there are so fewer cyclists and it is just wrong. Tens of millions of bikes sold in the US each year. Hundreds of thousands of capital bikeshare rides each month. And if you think a the metro commuter from Shady Grove is cycling in over the Ward 4 Chevy Chase resident who wants to ride safely but can't, I don't know what to tell you.
The number of cyclists in DC is tiny, and surveys show it is shrinking. It's not just bikes. Every mode of transportation is becoming less popular except driving.
Anonymous
06/11/2024 10:33
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
No, bike riders simply want to not die on the streets. Also, bonus, if it is safe to ride, then others who are not as fearless as those who ride currently, may give it a shot, and that opens up driving lanes and parking spaces for the people who want to, or have no choice but to drive.
This idea that expanding bikes lanes pulls cars off the streets is completely nonsense. Cars are expensive to own and extremely convenient, and I'd like to see the evidence that expanding bike lanes means fewer cars on the streets. If anything, bike lanes are probably pulling people out of public transportation. Whatever the case, the effect is surely small because there's so few cyclists in this city to begin with.
You keep saying there are so fewer cyclists and it is just wrong. Tens of millions of bikes sold in the US each year. Hundreds of thousands of capital bikeshare rides each month. And if you think a the metro commuter from Shady Grove is cycling in over the Ward 4 Chevy Chase resident who wants to ride safely but can't, I don't know what to tell you.
Anonymous
06/11/2024 10:31
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
No, bike riders simply want to not die on the streets. Also, bonus, if it is safe to ride, then others who are not as fearless as those who ride currently, may give it a shot, and that opens up driving lanes and parking spaces for the people who want to, or have no choice but to drive.
You could just not ride bikes on very busy streets. That's an easy way to avoid dying.
Except the busy streets have the places to buy food. Maybe the way to avoid dying is for motorists to acknowledge cyclists are using the same roads and lanes and follow the law, the same as is requested for cyclists.
Anonymous
06/11/2024 10:30
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
People use infrastructure after it is built. The more bike lanes (actual good ones that is) get built, the more people ride bikes. This isn't a mystery, as its well documented around the world. The pandemic put a dent in DC ridership, but its growing again. Keep building bike lanes, and people will convert car trips to bike trips (its often faster already!). Once they do that, they start advocating for more infrastructure and so forth.
That's what drivers actually fear, not that the bike lanes will be empty. The possibility of cars losing their primacy, and all the identity issues tied to that are the real issues.
The only people with identity issues tied to transportation are bicyclists. Everyone else just wants to get places as efficiently and hassle free as possible.
Most people who ride bikes to work also don't have any identity wrapped up in it, and they also just want to get around without a hassle. For me, it's just as fast to bike to work as it is to Metro (and only about 5 minutes slower getting home), but it's better exercise than riding the subway is. It's not more efficient -- that's what makes it better exercise -- but "as hassle free as possible" is pretty much the exact definition of what people on bikes are hoping for from protected bike lanes.
Anonymous
06/11/2024 10:20
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
No, bike riders simply want to not die on the streets. Also, bonus, if it is safe to ride, then others who are not as fearless as those who ride currently, may give it a shot, and that opens up driving lanes and parking spaces for the people who want to, or have no choice but to drive.
This idea that expanding bikes lanes pulls cars off the streets is completely nonsense. Cars are expensive to own and extremely convenient, and I'd like to see the evidence that expanding bike lanes means fewer cars on the streets. If anything, bike lanes are probably pulling people out of public transportation. Whatever the case, the effect is surely small because there's so few cyclists in this city to begin with.
Ahem: https://english.elpais.com/lifestyle/2024-04-24/the-cycling-revolution-in-paris-continues-bicycle-use-now-exceeds-car-use.html?outputType=amp
Anonymous
06/11/2024 10:18
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
People use infrastructure after it is built. The more bike lanes (actual good ones that is) get built, the more people ride bikes. This isn't a mystery, as its well documented around the world. The pandemic put a dent in DC ridership, but its growing again. Keep building bike lanes, and people will convert car trips to bike trips (its often faster already!). Once they do that, they start advocating for more infrastructure and so forth.
That's what drivers actually fear, not that the bike lanes will be empty. The possibility of cars losing their primacy, and all the identity issues tied to that are the real issues.
Most drivers probably don’t really care. There’s a subset of personality-disordered neighborhood cranks who are obsessed with anything changing in a way that doesn’t align with their own personal beliefs about what they are entitled to control. Unfortunately our current system gives these people way too much say in public works. As a result this country has an absolutely pathetic ability to build infrastructure and housing. It took what, 20 years to get the McMillan parcel developed? And the years-long battle over that ugly concrete “plaza” in Adams Morgan?
Anonymous
06/11/2024 10:16
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
No, bike riders simply want to not die on the streets. Also, bonus, if it is safe to ride, then others who are not as fearless as those who ride currently, may give it a shot, and that opens up driving lanes and parking spaces for the people who want to, or have no choice but to drive.
This idea that expanding bikes lanes pulls cars off the streets is completely nonsense. Cars are expensive to own and extremely convenient, and I'd like to see the evidence that expanding bike lanes means fewer cars on the streets. If anything, bike lanes are probably pulling people out of public transportation. Whatever the case, the effect is surely small because there's so few cyclists in this city to begin with.
Anonymous
06/11/2024 10:11
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
No, bike riders simply want to not die on the streets. Also, bonus, if it is safe to ride, then others who are not as fearless as those who ride currently, may give it a shot, and that opens up driving lanes and parking spaces for the people who want to, or have no choice but to drive.
You could just not ride bikes on very busy streets. That's an easy way to avoid dying.
Anonymous
06/11/2024 10:09
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
People use infrastructure after it is built. The more bike lanes (actual good ones that is) get built, the more people ride bikes. This isn't a mystery, as its well documented around the world. The pandemic put a dent in DC ridership, but its growing again. Keep building bike lanes, and people will convert car trips to bike trips (its often faster already!). Once they do that, they start advocating for more infrastructure and so forth.
That's what drivers actually fear, not that the bike lanes will be empty. The possibility of cars losing their primacy, and all the identity issues tied to that are the real issues.
The only people with identity issues tied to transportation are bicyclists. Everyone else just wants to get places as efficiently and hassle free as possible.
Anonymous
06/11/2024 10:02
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
People use infrastructure after it is built. The more bike lanes (actual good ones that is) get built, the more people ride bikes. This isn't a mystery, as its well documented around the world. The pandemic put a dent in DC ridership, but its growing again. Keep building bike lanes, and people will convert car trips to bike trips (its often faster already!). Once they do that, they start advocating for more infrastructure and so forth.
That's what drivers actually fear, not that the bike lanes will be empty. The possibility of cars losing their primacy, and all the identity issues tied to that are the real issues.
Anonymous
06/11/2024 09:22
Subject: Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why will it be a good thing for drivers that bikes will now just take the while travel lane to ride this making everyone behind them slow to a crawl? How is that better than a dedicated bike lane?
Its not exactly clear to me, but drivers probably think bike riders will either cease to exist or get in a car instead if there are no bike lanes. Why drivers want more cars on the road with them continues to confound me, so I'm guessing they think they just poof out of existence.
It's not exactly clear to me, but bike riders seem to think that drivers will either cease to exist or get on a bike instead if we just keep adding to the more than 150 miles of bike lanes DC already has.
No, bike riders simply want to not die on the streets. Also, bonus, if it is safe to ride, then others who are not as fearless as those who ride currently, may give it a shot, and that opens up driving lanes and parking spaces for the people who want to, or have no choice but to drive.