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Anonymous wrote:Asians are arguing this would reduce the number of whites to focus on test scores, but a study from the Gates Foundation found that white enrollment would increase if they went with SAT scores only, while Asians would decrease along with blacks and Hispanics.

https://cewgeorgetown.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/CEW-SAT-only-Admission.pdf

The study was done when SAT wasn't the only factor. If the rule is clear and test score is the focus, I think the result will be different.

Did you read the study? They only looked at test scores in 2013 and controlled for other factors.

Yes i did.. what I tried to say was if it is clearly understood that test score is the only factor, behaviour will probably change.

Asians will probably benefit from it in the short term. Look at this study: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1406402111 .

Test only or Test + GPA or whatever is not even a topic for this issue.

Again, Asians scored high on Tests, GPA, ECs, Essay, Interview, LOR, etc.

Harvard had to come up with a bullshit Likability/Kindness/Courage score to discriminate Asians.

Imagine this has happened to Blacks.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry but, if you want to increase the number of certain race at competitive colleges, only way is to make them care more about education, put more efforts, and work harder.

Sorry that's the realtiy, and it should be the way.

If you have to work that hard are you really that smart?

I am smart enough to know that working hard gives me better odds of success then relying on good fortune. I suspect you think you are smarter than that. Or maybe- just maybe, you believe you are entitled to success - lack of hard work notwithstanding

Elite schools are not looking for a hard worker. That is great I’m sure your boss is happy you work hard. Elite school want leaders, innovators, actors, athletes, musicians.

Congrats you are a wiz at studying, your state school will probably give you a scholarship so you’ll stay local and work hard for them until you die of a heart attack.

This is the most pathetic feet-licking by an obviously middle-income do-nothing.

Top schools don't care about athletes or musicians, it's simply an easy way in for wealthy full-pay applicants with low scores. They want "innovators" as in entrepreneurs, which doesn't mean much other than comes from wealth, has wealthy parental networks and can afford to screw around while their entrepreneurship fails. And of course they want leaders, it's 6,000 leaders leading themselves and no one else.

Top schools absolutely do care about athletes and musicians, which is why they aggressively recruit them and then bend admissions standards to admit them. They aren't doing this because these students are "full-pay" lol.

A relative of mine is a recruited athlete at an Ivy (what I would consider a minor sport). She was recruited junior year, and told that admission would be secure if she got at least 32 on ACT. Way, way below the score that would be necessary for a non-athlete.

Way lower than somebody with no other skills … you have to be 1% in something not everything. 32 indicates she can do the work and doesn’t need to test prep and take it 5 times.

?? how do you know she did test prep, took it 5 times and got 32??

Someone scoring a 32 is scoring in the 97th or 98th percentile and can do just fine. As stated in other threads, these schools weren't established to admit only the absolute smartest people possible.

I think this is the thing that throws people off. College admissions in the US is not and was never supposed to be a test and GPA only. That is France. Why? Best grades does not make the best person. And all the same person at one school does not help anyone.

If you get a 32 you can handle an Ivy.

Yea those easy bs majors. That’s why they have those.

There are no easy bs majors.

Do you think communications major has same level of difficulties as computer engineering or applied math?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry but, if you want to increase the number of certain race at competitive colleges, only way is to make them care more about education, put more efforts, and work harder.

Sorry that's the realtiy, and it should be the way.

If you have to work that hard are you really that smart?

I am smart enough to know that working hard gives me better odds of success then relying on good fortune. I suspect you think you are smarter than that. Or maybe- just maybe, you believe you are entitled to success - lack of hard work notwithstanding

Elite schools are not looking for a hard worker. That is great I’m sure your boss is happy you work hard. Elite school want leaders, innovators, actors, athletes, musicians.

Congrats you are a wiz at studying, your state school will probably give you a scholarship so you’ll stay local and work hard for them until you die of a heart attack.

This is the most pathetic feet-licking by an obviously middle-income do-nothing.

Top schools don't care about athletes or musicians, it's simply an easy way in for wealthy full-pay applicants with low scores. They want "innovators" as in entrepreneurs, which doesn't mean much other than comes from wealth, has wealthy parental networks and can afford to screw around while their entrepreneurship fails. And of course they want leaders, it's 6,000 leaders leading themselves and no one else.

Top schools absolutely do care about athletes and musicians, which is why they aggressively recruit them and then bend admissions standards to admit them. They aren't doing this because these students are "full-pay" lol.

A relative of mine is a recruited athlete at an Ivy (what I would consider a minor sport). She was recruited junior year, and told that admission would be secure if she got at least 32 on ACT. Way, way below the score that would be necessary for a non-athlete.

Way lower than somebody with no other skills … you have to be 1% in something not everything. 32 indicates she can do the work and doesn’t need to test prep and take it 5 times.

?? how do you know she did test prep, took it 5 times and got 32??

Someone scoring a 32 is scoring in the 97th or 98th percentile and can do just fine. As stated in other threads, these schools weren't established to admit only the absolute smartest people possible.

I think this is the thing that throws people off. College admissions in the US is not and was never supposed to be a test and GPA only. That is France. Why? Best grades does not make the best person. And all the same person at one school does not help anyone.

If you get a 32 you can handle an Ivy.

Yea those easy bs majors. That’s why they have those.

There are no easy bs majors.

Anonymous wrote:From a college forum in an Asian community, it seems/feels more students got accepted ED to Harvard then previous years.

Harvard is probably chickened out and/or started to adjust already.

Interesting to see the new numbers for the coming years.

Not the case last year....

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Ivy is a sports league

So when people refer to "Ivy League" they are only referring to sports?

Unless they are including Duke, Stanford, MIT, then yes they are.

You know MIT is not Ivy League, right??

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Anonymous wrote:This is the Chinese version of Harvard. Best university in China. Do you think they care about the nonsense we do. Hint they don’t. All Chinese people.

https://www.tsinghua.edu.cn/en/Campus.htm

So the best way to avoid all the nonsense of a democracy that includes peoples of all backgrounds is to make your country be all one race?

China has a lot of minority groups and they do not respect them.

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Anonymous wrote:The SCOTUS will ban AA. No surprise there.

Colleges will still find ways to achieve diversity (e.g Test Optional) and people will still complain about something else.

That's the nature of zero sum admissions, especially for the highly selective schools.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the Chinese version of Harvard. Best university in China. Do you think they care about the nonsense we do. Hint they don’t. All Chinese people.

https://www.tsinghua.edu.cn/en/Campus.htm

So the best way to avoid all the nonsense of a democracy that includes peoples of all backgrounds is to make your country be all one race?

China has a lot of minority groups and they do not respect them.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians are arguing this would reduce the number of whites to focus on test scores, but a study from the Gates Foundation found that white enrollment would increase if they went with SAT scores only, while Asians would decrease along with blacks and Hispanics.

https://cewgeorgetown.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/CEW-SAT-only-Admission.pdf

The study was done when SAT wasn't the only factor. If the rule is clear and test score is the focus, I think the result will be different.

Did you read the study? They only looked at test scores in 2013 and controlled for other factors.

Anonymous wrote:Asians are arguing this would reduce the number of whites to focus on test scores, but a study from the Gates Foundation found that white enrollment would increase if they went with SAT scores only, while Asians would decrease along with blacks and Hispanics.

https://cewgeorgetown.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/CEW-SAT-only-Admission.pdf

The study was done when SAT wasn't the only factor. If the rule is clear and test score is the focus, I think the result will be different.

Anonymous wrote:From a college forum in an Asian community, it seems/feels more students got accepted ED to Harvard then previous years.

Harvard is probably chickened out and/or started to adjust already.

Interesting to see the new numbers for the coming years.

Asian numbers started to creep up slowly but surely once the lawsuit was filed. Now racist Harvard claims they admit lot of Asians.

From a college forum in an Asian community, it seems/feels more students got accepted ED to Harvard then previous years.

Harvard is probably chickened out and/or started to adjust already.

Interesting to see the new numbers for the coming years.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the Chinese version of Harvard. Best university in China. Do you think they care about the nonsense we do. Hint they don’t. All Chinese people.

https://www.tsinghua.edu.cn/en/Campus.htm

Attempting to have a student body racially representative of the US is a woke concept. Most people from other countries aren't even aware that it's a thing.

Lol you are talking BS right here, and didn't even try to hide your ignorance by using the word "woke". You don't know anything about this subject, haven't read a single book on it, haven't looked at any data (US or global), haven't spoken to a single admissions officer or college administrator about it, or done anything except spew propaganda. Your grandma told you to put butter on a burn so you think you are a surgeon.

You, and your posts, are completely useless.

Asians are arguing this would reduce the number of whites to focus on test scores, but a study from the Gates Foundation found that white enrollment would increase if they went with SAT scores only, while Asians would decrease along with blacks and Hispanics.

https://cewgeorgetown.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/CEW-SAT-only-Admission.pdf