Anonymous wrote:Does ND attract super snobby kids? We know two kids attending this fall in two different realms a sport team and HS and they are both very socially aggressive. They are interestingly very similar though they don’t know each other. Coincidence?

What is socially aggressive?

But yes ND

Does ND attract super snobby kids? We know two kids attending this fall in two different realms a sport team and HS and they are both very socially aggressive. They are interestingly very similar though they don’t know each other. Coincidence?

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Anonymous wrote:ND is full of kids who grew up being told they had to go to ND, and there was no other option. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that but it truly was unlike anything I have ever witnessed in my life.

And that’s different from, say, UVA? Harvard? Yes, ND has a fiercely loyal alumni base. Next question?

Yes, Harvard and UVA are different. PP is saying the kids were told they are going to ND because it’s Catholic.

Where did PP say that? If you think that that's the reason for the loyal alumni base you're seriously mistaken.

DP here, but it’s common sense. Parents encourage UVA because it’s an excellent state school (this more affordable). They encourage Harvard or other Ivies because they know a degree from there is worth a lot (and because they truly believe they are excellent schools). If their kid got a full ride to another school, or got into an equally prestigious school, they might be disappointed on some level but they get over it. I know a lot of alums from both schools and none of them would be upset to send their kid elsewhere.

The alumni and booster culture around ND is different.

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Anonymous wrote:ND is full of kids who grew up being told they had to go to ND, and there was no other option. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that but it truly was unlike anything I have ever witnessed in my life.

And that’s different from, say, UVA? Harvard? Yes, ND has a fiercely loyal alumni base. Next question?

Yes, Harvard and UVA are different. PP is saying the kids were told they are going to ND because it’s Catholic.

Where did PP say that? If you think that that's the reason for the loyal alumni base you're seriously mistaken.

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Anonymous wrote:Do all the undergrads still go to some super sketchy night club in South Bend on either Wednesdays or maybe it was Tuesdays? Name or its nickname escapes me. When I visited a friend I recall apparently nobody went there any other night — just tradition to go there a specific midweek night.

Colby’s? I think it was Thursday’s. I remember the Library and, of course, Senior Bar for every other night!

Corby's. Also Bridget's, Nickie's, and The Commons.

No, the PP asking is definitely referring to the Linebacker, otherwise known as the ‘Backer.

The Commons and Bridget’s closed in the early to mid-90s!

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Anonymous wrote:ND is full of kids who grew up being told they had to go to ND, and there was no other option. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that but it truly was unlike anything I have ever witnessed in my life.

And that’s different from, say, UVA? Harvard? Yes, ND has a fiercely loyal alumni base. Next question?

Yes, Harvard and UVA are different. PP is saying the kids were told they are going to ND because it’s Catholic.

I would think a gay student could be guided to a better college choice than a catholic institution.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame alum here. It’s gotten way, way too conservative and politically inactive. We purposely swayed our kids from applying although DH and I both loved it in our day. (Class of 1987). Notre Dame has changed.

Another ND alum from the same time period here. It wasn't exactly Berkeley then either. How do you square being "way too conservative" with Biden, Clinton, and Obama all handily winning mock elections? Are you bemoaning the fact that there are actually conservatives on campus? Because there sure were in the late 80s too.

Or are you talking about the administration?

The administration but also a lot of the students. It changed drastically after Fr Ted. It’s just not the same “If you want peace - work for justice” institution it used to be. There was a gay club when we were on campus. Fr Ted actually apologized to my gay brother (class of 77) when he visited in the 90’s if anyone made him feel uncomfortable in college. Years later the gay club got kicked off.

Plus (and I’m sure this is true of all universities today) the addiction to technology has made the quads and dining halls so quiet.

I don’t think DH and I got more liberal! ND changed.

I spent time with Father Ted. I agree he was an extraordinary man and that no president since he left has been able to fill his shoes. But that's often the case with great men.

I also don't blame anybody with a gay brother for having mixed feelings about Notre Dame. Still, I find it hard to believe that ND students today are less hospitable towards the gay community than they were 35 years ago.

Actually my brother had a great experience at ND. The students were polite if nothing else. It’s the administration than became stunningly homophobic. They invited Terrance McNally to speak only to kick him off campus once he arrived (apparently the administration didn’t know he was gay when they extended the invitation).

Have you been back, PP? It’s changed. The whole feel of the university changed.

Let's not pretend that a deeply Catholic school is ever going to be the most progressive school in the country regarding LGBTQ issues. Nonetheless I think this poster is just inaccurate in a whole lot of things.

For those that want facts, here is what the University Counseling Center has to say:
https://ucc.nd.edu/diversity-inclusion-social-justice/lgbtq-students/
The University Counseling Center (UCC) seeks to affirm and advocate for LGBTQ+ students by providing a safe and welcoming space in which members of these communities can be continually supported throughout their time at the University of Notre Dame and beyond.

And here is the official LGBTQ student group: https://prismnd.com/

And here is the You Can Play Project Notre Dame video (yes, officially from the University): https://und.com/at-notre-dame-if-you-can-play-you-can-play/

So... once again... anyone interested in Notre Dame is best to just ignore DCUM and go and experience the place for themselves. You may like it or you may hate it, but at least you'll be dealing with facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Do all the undergrads still go to some super sketchy night club in South Bend on either Wednesdays or maybe it was Tuesdays? Name or its nickname escapes me. When I visited a friend I recall apparently nobody went there any other night — just tradition to go there a specific midweek night.

Colby’s? I think it was Thursday’s. I remember the Library and, of course, Senior Bar for every other night!

Corby's. Also Bridget's, Nickie's, and The Commons.

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Anonymous wrote:Do all the undergrads still go to some super sketchy night club in South Bend on either Wednesdays or maybe it was Tuesdays? Name or its nickname escapes me. When I visited a friend I recall apparently nobody went there any other night — just tradition to go there a specific midweek night.

Colby’s? I think it was Thursday’s. I remember the Library and, of course, Senior Bar for every other night!

How about Ramona's Car Wash?

No, that's beyond super sketchy.

Anonymous wrote:Do all the undergrads still go to some super sketchy night club in South Bend on either Wednesdays or maybe it was Tuesdays? Name or its nickname escapes me. When I visited a friend I recall apparently nobody went there any other night — just tradition to go there a specific midweek night.

Colby’s? I think it was Thursday’s. I remember the Library and, of course, Senior Bar for every other night!

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame alum here. It’s gotten way, way too conservative and politically inactive. We purposely swayed our kids from applying although DH and I both loved it in our day. (Class of 1987). Notre Dame has changed.

Another ND alum from the same time period here. It wasn't exactly Berkeley then either. How do you square being "way too conservative" with Biden, Clinton, and Obama all handily winning mock elections? Are you bemoaning the fact that there are actually conservatives on campus? Because there sure were in the late 80s too.

Or are you talking about the administration?

The administration but also a lot of the students. It changed drastically after Fr Ted. It’s just not the same “If you want peace - work for justice” institution it used to be. There was a gay club when we were on campus. Fr Ted actually apologized to my gay brother (class of 77) when he visited in the 90’s if anyone made him feel uncomfortable in college. Years later the gay club got kicked off.

Plus (and I’m sure this is true of all universities today) the addiction to technology has made the quads and dining halls so quiet.

I don’t think DH and I got more liberal! ND changed.

I spent time with Father Ted. I agree he was an extraordinary man and that no president since he left has been able to fill his shoes. But that's often the case with great men.

I also don't blame anybody with a gay brother for having mixed feelings about Notre Dame. Still, I find it hard to believe that ND students today are less hospitable towards the gay community than they were 35 years ago.

Actually my brother had a great experience at ND. The students were polite if nothing else. It’s the administration than became stunningly homophobic. They invited Terrance McNally to speak only to kick him off campus once he arrived (apparently the administration didn’t know he was gay when they extended the invitation).

Have you been back, PP? It’s changed. The whole feel of the university changed.

Do all the undergrads still go to some super sketchy night club in South Bend on either Wednesdays or maybe it was Tuesdays? Name or its nickname escapes me. When I visited a friend I recall apparently nobody went there any other night — just tradition to go there a specific midweek night.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame alum here. It’s gotten way, way too conservative and politically inactive. We purposely swayed our kids from applying although DH and I both loved it in our day. (Class of 1987). Notre Dame has changed.

Another ND alum from the same time period here. It wasn't exactly Berkeley then either. How do you square being "way too conservative" with Biden, Clinton, and Obama all handily winning mock elections? Are you bemoaning the fact that there are actually conservatives on campus? Because there sure were in the late 80s too.

Or are you talking about the administration?

The administration but also a lot of the students. It changed drastically after Fr Ted. It’s just not the same “If you want peace - work for justice” institution it used to be. There was a gay club when we were on campus. Fr Ted actually apologized to my gay brother (class of 77) when he visited in the 90’s if anyone made him feel uncomfortable in college. Years later the gay club got kicked off.

Plus (and I’m sure this is true of all universities today) the addiction to technology has made the quads and dining halls so quiet.

I don’t think DH and I got more liberal! ND changed.

I spent time with Father Ted. I agree he was an extraordinary man and that no president since he left has been able to fill his shoes. But that's often the case with great men.

I also don't blame anybody with a gay brother for having mixed feelings about Notre Dame. Still, I find it hard to believe that ND students today are less hospitable towards the gay community than they were 35 years ago.

Well said. Fr. Hesburgh was quite amazing. There is a wonderful documentary that came out a couple of years ago. Trailer here for those interested.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame alum here. It’s gotten way, way too conservative and politically inactive. We purposely swayed our kids from applying although DH and I both loved it in our day. (Class of 1987). Notre Dame has changed.

Another ND alum from the same time period here. It wasn't exactly Berkeley then either. How do you square being "way too conservative" with Biden, Clinton, and Obama all handily winning mock elections? Are you bemoaning the fact that there are actually conservatives on campus? Because there sure were in the late 80s too.

Or are you talking about the administration?

The administration but also a lot of the students. It changed drastically after Fr Ted. It’s just not the same “If you want peace - work for justice” institution it used to be. There was a gay club when we were on campus. Fr Ted actually apologized to my gay brother (class of 77) when he visited in the 90’s if anyone made him feel uncomfortable in college. Years later the gay club got kicked off.

Plus (and I’m sure this is true of all universities today) the addiction to technology has made the quads and dining halls so quiet.

I don’t think DH and I got more liberal! ND changed.

I spent time with Father Ted. I agree he was an extraordinary man and that no president since he left has been able to fill his shoes. But that's often the case with great men.

I also don't blame anybody with a gay brother for having mixed feelings about Notre Dame. Still, I find it hard to believe that ND students today are less hospitable towards the gay community than they were 35 years ago.