Anonymous wrote:This thread continues to amuse. It is clear that those who know and appreciate Tufts understand its quality and niche. Those who don’t, like to denigrate it with comparison to schools such as USC, NYU, BC, & Emory (seriously? Apples and oranges). Folks, let’s return to the purpose of the thread - OP was seeking guidance on whether to recommend Tufts to their niece. Even the messages of the denigrators acknowledge Tufts is a fine school - so it seems the answer is a clear “yes.”

See, here's the problem with Tufts boosters. It's fine to say that Tufts is a "fine school" and to recommend it, but then to scoff at the suggestion that its peers are schools in the range of USC, NYU, BC & Emory is tantamount to delusions of grandeur. Tufts is a fine school. To say it would be the #1 or #2 school anywhere else outside of Boston is ludicrous.

This thread continues to amuse. It is clear that those who know and appreciate Tufts understand its quality and niche. Those who don’t, like to denigrate it with comparison to schools such as USC, NYU, BC, & Emory (seriously? Apples and oranges). Folks, let’s return to the purpose of the thread - OP was seeking guidance on whether to recommend Tufts to their niece. Even the messages of the denigrators acknowledge Tufts is a fine school - so it seems the answer is a clear “yes.”

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we can end this by agreeing that Cornell, NW, Tufts and Emory are all great schools and very competitive to get in to. You need high scores, top grades and sometimes extra.

GT appeals to a specific market who are much more concerned with so called prestige and not the actual quality of education. Good for people with the money to pay for test prep who come from certain feeder schools but aren’t standouts in any way.

Brandeis and BC don’t belong in the same conversation. They’re a couple levels down.

I don’t think Brandeis and BC are at a much lower level. The big factor is that they look as if they have a strong religious and ethnic identity. They probably have high acceptance rates because only kids who are good fits for those schools apply to those schools. Aside from very ignorant kids, no kids are going to apply to those schools solely because they’re good schools in the Boston area.

This makes no sense. The level of academic excellence offered by Brandeis and BC is much lower than the other colleges mentioned above. They’re easier to get admitted to for that reason.

Emory, Tufts and Boston College all have a 75% of 34 ACT. What stats are you using?

Lol is the 75th percentile the only stay {sic} you use?

No, but it is one.

One more than you posted.

So answer the question, please.

I wasn't PP but I use imputs and outputs. How good were the students going in and how well did they do after graduation.
With that in mind Emory>Tufts>BC.
Emory has better placement for grad school and high-paying jobs, and better higher ranking programs than the other two, while Tufts has a bit higher stats than Emory. There's nothing BC does that Emory doesn't do better, while Tufts also is better than BC in a lot of areas.

Emory is a classic safety school. BC is somewhat better, then Tufts and Brandeis follow up the chain.

You guys say absolutely anything on this site. Now BC is better than... EMORY?!

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Anonymous wrote:Why are there 11 pages of discussion about Tufts? It's a middling school outside of Boston. Probably 3rd or 4th most prestigious institution in the Boston area. No more, no less. Let's close the thread now.

NP. 3 to 4 in Boston is hardly "middling". 1 to 2 any place else

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Uh... not in Boston, or NYC, or SF, or Chicago, or La, or Houston, or DC...

Tufts certainly would be in top 2 in DC, NYC, LA and Houston- in Chicago I’d call it a tie for 2nd. So Boston and SF are the only cities and in both cases the 2 beating out Tufts would also beat out no.1 in most of the cities you named.

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On the other hand, I think you can make the case that the admissions process for schools like Cornell on up to MIT is now so competitive and unpredictable that it probably favors kids who are dishonest or crazy, or supported by parents who are dishonest or crazy.

If that’s true, it could be that, after adjusting for parental wealth and investment in kid, typical graduates of schools like Tufts, the University of Rochester and non-UC state flagships, who are bright kids who’ve read a lot of books and played a lot of Minecraft, will get more out of those schools than the kids with 1600 on the SATs, 12 5’s on AP tests, a state championship in lacrosse, a tutoring company, a nonprofit that’s raised $50,000 for disadvantaged children in Haiti and a damaging relationship with an overly powerful recommender will get out of the top- tier schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are there 11 pages of discussion about Tufts? It's a middling school outside of Boston. Probably 3rd or 4th most prestigious institution in the Boston area. No more, no less. Let's close the thread now.

NP. 3 to 4 in Boston is hardly "middling". 1 to 2 any place else

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Uh... not in Boston, or NYC, or SF, or Chicago, or La, or Houston, or DC...

Tufts certainly would be in top 2 in DC, NYC, LA and Houston- in Chicago I’d call it a tie for 2nd. So Boston and SF are the only cities and in both cases the 2 beating out Tufts would also beat out no.1 in most of the cities you named.

Tufts is beat out by Georgetown and Hopkins in DC area. Tufts is beat out by Columbia and NYU in NYC. Tufts is beat out by USC and UCLA and Caltech in LA area. Tufts would maybe come in "second" after Rice in Houston. Tufts is beat out by U of Chicago and Northwestern in Chicago (the fact that you would even entertain Tufts "tying" with Northwestern is laughable).

So most definitely not "1 or 2 anyplace else". Maybe "3 if it's lucky anyplace else".

Forgetting Tufts, you have really imbibed some koolaid if you rate NYU and USC as such.

I don't like either NYU or USC and think they're wildly overrated, but I think they're better than Tufts across most metrics. Many others would be inclined to agree.

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My ranking of Boston area schools:
Harvard
MIT
Olin College of Engineering
Wellesley

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Anonymous wrote:Why are there 11 pages of discussion about Tufts? It's a middling school outside of Boston. Probably 3rd or 4th most prestigious institution in the Boston area. No more, no less. Let's close the thread now.

NP. 3 to 4 in Boston is hardly "middling". 1 to 2 any place else

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Uh... not in Boston, or NYC, or SF, or Chicago, or La, or Houston, or DC...

Tufts certainly would be in top 2 in DC, NYC, LA and Houston- in Chicago I’d call it a tie for 2nd. So Boston and SF are the only cities and in both cases the 2 beating out Tufts would also beat out no.1 in most of the cities you named.

Tufts is beat out by Georgetown and Hopkins in DC area. Tufts is beat out by Columbia and NYU in NYC. Tufts is beat out by USC and UCLA and Caltech in LA area. Tufts would maybe come in "second" after Rice in Houston. Tufts is beat out by U of Chicago and Northwestern in Chicago (the fact that you would even entertain Tufts "tying" with Northwestern is laughable).

So most definitely not "1 or 2 anyplace else". Maybe "3 if it's lucky anyplace else".

Forgetting Tufts, you have really imbibed some koolaid if you rate NYU and USC as such.

I don't like either NYU or USC and think they're wildly overrated, but I think they're better than Tufts across most metrics. Many others would be inclined to agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are there 11 pages of discussion about Tufts? It's a middling school outside of Boston. Probably 3rd or 4th most prestigious institution in the Boston area. No more, no less. Let's close the thread now.

NP. 3 to 4 in Boston is hardly "middling". 1 to 2 any place else

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Uh... not in Boston, or NYC, or SF, or Chicago, or La, or Houston, or DC...

Tufts certainly would be in top 2 in DC, NYC, LA and Houston- in Chicago I’d call it a tie for 2nd. So Boston and SF are the only cities and in both cases the 2 beating out Tufts would also beat out no.1 in most of the cities you named.

Tufts is beat out by Georgetown and Hopkins in DC area. Tufts is beat out by Columbia and NYU in NYC. Tufts is beat out by USC and UCLA and Caltech in LA area. Tufts would maybe come in "second" after Rice in Houston. Tufts is beat out by U of Chicago and Northwestern in Chicago (the fact that you would even entertain Tufts "tying" with Northwestern is laughable).

So most definitely not "1 or 2 anyplace else". Maybe "3 if it's lucky anyplace else".

Forgetting Tufts, you have really imbibed some koolaid if you rate NYU and USC as such.

Anonymous wrote:Tufts falls just below the Ivies in terms of selectivity.
But it’s equal to the Ivies academically.
It’s a place where super smart motivated students who don’t want the pressure of an Ivy League or who don’t have the alumni connections, recruiting option or any underrepresented status choose. It’s extremely difficult to get into Tufts now. Tufts is leaps and bounds above the other Boston schools (except Harvard and MIT). The students who choose Tufts do so because they really want to go there — it’s not about pleasing prestige obsessed parents.
That’s it.

"Tufts falls just below the Ivies in terms of selectivity." No. Please stop comparing Tufts to the Ivy League. It is ludicrous.
"But it’s equal to the Ivies academically." No. Please stop. They are not equal academically. Stop the trolling.
"It’s a place where super smart motivated students who don’t want the pressure of an Ivy League..." No. Please stop. The Ivy league made the choice for them. They were rejected by the Ivy League.
"The students who choose Tufts do so because they really want to go there — it’s not about pleasing prestige obsessed parents." No. Please stop. They were rejected by the Ivy League. They would have gone to the Ivy League, if given the choice.

That article is 10 years old.

Apparently this level of insecurity abounds at Tufts.

https://tuftsobserver.org/climbing-the-hill-a-new-look-at-tufts-old-reputation/

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Anonymous wrote:Why are there 11 pages of discussion about Tufts? It's a middling school outside of Boston. Probably 3rd or 4th most prestigious institution in the Boston area. No more, no less. Let's close the thread now.

NP. 3 to 4 in Boston is hardly "middling". 1 to 2 any place else

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Uh... not in Boston, or NYC, or SF, or Chicago, or La, or Houston, or DC...

Tufts certainly would be in top 2 in DC, NYC, LA and Houston- in Chicago I’d call it a tie for 2nd. So Boston and SF are the only cities and in both cases the 2 beating out Tufts would also beat out no.1 in most of the cities you named.

Tufts is beat out by Georgetown and Hopkins in DC area. Tufts is beat out by Columbia and NYU in NYC. Tufts is beat out by USC and UCLA and Caltech in LA area. Tufts would maybe come in "second" after Rice in Houston. Tufts is beat out by U of Chicago and Northwestern in Chicago (the fact that you would even entertain Tufts "tying" with Northwestern is laughable).

So most definitely not "1 or 2 anyplace else". Maybe "3 if it's lucky anyplace else".

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Anonymous wrote:Why are there 11 pages of discussion about Tufts? It's a middling school outside of Boston. Probably 3rd or 4th most prestigious institution in the Boston area. No more, no less. Let's close the thread now.

NP. 3 to 4 in Boston is hardly "middling". 1 to 2 any place else

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Uh... not in Boston, or NYC, or SF, or Chicago, or La, or Houston, or DC...

Tufts certainly would be in top 2 in DC, NYC, LA and Houston- in Chicago I’d call it a tie for 2nd. So Boston and SF are the only cities and in both cases the 2 beating out Tufts would also beat out no.1 in most of the cities you named.

Tufts boosters really are delusional on another level.

Seriously, don't start parroting this out in public because it would only embarrass yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are there 11 pages of discussion about Tufts? It's a middling school outside of Boston. Probably 3rd or 4th most prestigious institution in the Boston area. No more, no less. Let's close the thread now.

NP. 3 to 4 in Boston is hardly "middling". 1 to 2 any place else

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Uh... not in Boston, or NYC, or SF, or Chicago, or La, or Houston, or DC...

Tufts certainly would be in top 2 in DC, NYC, LA and Houston- in Chicago I’d call it a tie for 2nd. So Boston and SF are the only cities and in both cases the 2 beating out Tufts would also beat out no.1 in most of the cities you named.

I'm confused by this portion of the thread? Are you saying somehow that Harvard/MIT as #'s 1-2 in Boston somehow get trumped by Tufts outside of Boston? I must be misunderstanding the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are there 11 pages of discussion about Tufts? It's a middling school outside of Boston. Probably 3rd or 4th most prestigious institution in the Boston area. No more, no less. Let's close the thread now.

NP. 3 to 4 in Boston is hardly "middling". 1 to 2 any place else

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Uh... not in Boston, or NYC, or SF, or Chicago, or La, or Houston, or DC...

Tufts certainly would be in top 2 in DC, NYC, LA and Houston- in Chicago I’d call it a tie for 2nd. So Boston and SF are the only cities and in both cases the 2 beating out Tufts would also beat out no.1 in most of the cities you named.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are there 11 pages of discussion about Tufts? It's a middling school outside of Boston. Probably 3rd or 4th most prestigious institution in the Boston area. No more, no less. Let's close the thread now.

NP. 3 to 4 in Boston is hardly "middling". 1 to 2 any place else

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Uh... not in Boston, or NYC, or SF, or Chicago, or La, or Houston, or DC...