Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 09:08     Subject: Re:Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Where Top 3 Tech CEO's of today went to school for undergraduate engineering and their global rankings:

1. Google - Sundar Pichai: IIT Chennai, ranked #275 (followed by a Stanford masters degree)

2. Microsoft - Satya Nadella: Manipal Institute of technology, ranked #1056 (followed by masters from UW-Milwaukee - rank #300, and MBA from Chicago-Booth)

3. IBM - Arvind Krishna: IIT Kanpur, ranked #350 (followed by MS, PhD UIUC)

Right, so according to DCUM experts these gentlemen couldn't get into Top 10 or Ivy's for undergraduate and so they were doomed for life to sit in that dark cubicle earning $75k. Oh, and look at that Microsoft CEO who did his Masters in Engineering from lowly UW-Milwaukee, isn't that just a low ranked regional center of U-Wisconsin .. LOL

What business these people have in getting jobs at these companies, let alone rise to the top. Folks, get a grip, a HS may not get into some school because they are too young to realize their true potential, many are focused on sports, video games, and just plain enjoying being teens. There is a reason why majors don't need to be declared before Junior year in college, at age 20, that's when they truly start realizing their capabilities and what they want to do with it. Shame on those of you who try to insult the kids who couldn't get into UVA or UMD as incapable of doing anything better in their life. You must be a really sad parent. Some kids who go to any state school will do very well, if they realize their capabilities later in life, some won't, and some who go to top schools will drop out, burn out, or will not materialize the promise they once showed. That's life.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 08:47     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
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When can we stop this kind of nonsense? Bill Gates did get into Harvard, which is a reflection of his ability. Unlike some people here who couldn't even get into UVA and are dreaming to be Bill Gates.
Also you're making 300k after 25 years? That's great. But a lot of fresh out of (top) school kids are making more than you, which says a lot about the topic.


This is the typical confirmation bias. You can always find some outlier evidence that supports your bias.

Fortnately Palantir is a small company that not many people care about. And many much bigger IT companies (including Apple, Google) are founded by people that graduated from state universities that you despised.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 08:36     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
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Okay, bozo, what do you I know, I have only spent 25 years in the industry, starting with a $50k salary that rapidly rose to double in few years out of college, was leading tech teams before 30, spent a career in building systems for top employers in the DC areas, and now supports two major consulting companies as a independent making over $300k, couple of million in investments that I manage myself, paying $200k tuition to one kid, and saving for another one. I guess I need to get out there more and see more life, yeah I'll take advice from you..


What is that got to do with the CS undergrad salary? With couple of millions in investments, why bother saving tuition for your other one? You have it already. Are you kids going into CS?


Because it has everything to do with understanding what you do as an individual will determine your success, not the college you went to. According to the logic of most people in this thread Bill Gates wouldn't even have a job because he dropped out of college. He figured college wasn't a necessity for him because there wasn't anything Harvard professors were going to teach him that could be useful to him, instead he already had his startup. There are two kinds of people, those who count the salaries and college rankings, and those who take that out of the equation and instead focus on their own human capital. A college student no matter where they go should always count on their human capital, take out salary counting out of question, this $20k to $30k differences never bothered me when I started out in Tech, I knew there were guys making that much more than me because they went to a higher name brand college. What I focused was on increasing competency and demand more, push back against anyone who brought up "where you went to college?" question, to my mind the ones who ask that are always the ones with block in their head, they won't go past their own limitations, so you identify them and go past them, or around them, then find avenues where your individual capabilities are recognized, if that fails then innovate and develop something on your own to prove it. Folks who rank people on name brands tend to be the ones with limitations is my take, they don't know how to do it without a crutch for support. Let you be the person who define the university you go to, not the other way around is the advice I give to my kids. If they follow it, they'll end up wherever they wish to be, and not worry about the small differences in starting salaries.







When can we stop this kind of nonsense? Bill Gates did get into Harvard, which is a reflection of his ability. Unlike some people here who couldn't even get into UVA and are dreaming to be Bill Gates.
Also you're making 300k after 25 years? That's great. But a lot of fresh out of (top) school kids are making more than you, which says a lot about the topic.


And a bunch of college drop-outs are making more than everyone else (including those from MIT).
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 08:29     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:
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Okay, bozo, what do you I know, I have only spent 25 years in the industry, starting with a $50k salary that rapidly rose to double in few years out of college, was leading tech teams before 30, spent a career in building systems for top employers in the DC areas, and now supports two major consulting companies as a independent making over $300k, couple of million in investments that I manage myself, paying $200k tuition to one kid, and saving for another one. I guess I need to get out there more and see more life, yeah I'll take advice from you..


What is that got to do with the CS undergrad salary? With couple of millions in investments, why bother saving tuition for your other one? You have it already. Are you kids going into CS?


Because it has everything to do with understanding what you do as an individual will determine your success, not the college you went to. According to the logic of most people in this thread Bill Gates wouldn't even have a job because he dropped out of college. He figured college wasn't a necessity for him because there wasn't anything Harvard professors were going to teach him that could be useful to him, instead he already had his startup. There are two kinds of people, those who count the salaries and college rankings, and those who take that out of the equation and instead focus on their own human capital. A college student no matter where they go should always count on their human capital, take out salary counting out of question, this $20k to $30k differences never bothered me when I started out in Tech, I knew there were guys making that much more than me because they went to a higher name brand college. What I focused was on increasing competency and demand more, push back against anyone who brought up "where you went to college?" question, to my mind the ones who ask that are always the ones with block in their head, they won't go past their own limitations, so you identify them and go past them, or around them, then find avenues where your individual capabilities are recognized, if that fails then innovate and develop something on your own to prove it. Folks who rank people on name brands tend to be the ones with limitations is my take, they don't know how to do it without a crutch for support. Let you be the person who define the university you go to, not the other way around is the advice I give to my kids. If they follow it, they'll end up wherever they wish to be, and not worry about the small differences in starting salaries.







When can we stop this kind of nonsense? Bill Gates did get into Harvard, which is a reflection of his ability. Unlike some people here who couldn't even get into UVA and are dreaming to be Bill Gates.
Also you're making 300k after 25 years? That's great. But a lot of fresh out of (top) school kids are making more than you, which says a lot about the topic.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 08:02     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Okay, bozo, what do you I know, I have only spent 25 years in the industry, starting with a $50k salary that rapidly rose to double in few years out of college, was leading tech teams before 30, spent a career in building systems for top employers in the DC areas, and now supports two major consulting companies as a independent making over $300k, couple of million in investments that I manage myself, paying $200k tuition to one kid, and saving for another one. I guess I need to get out there more and see more life, yeah I'll take advice from you..


What is that got to do with the CS undergrad salary? With couple of millions in investments, why bother saving tuition for your other one? You have it already. Are you kids going into CS?


Because it has everything to do with understanding what you do as an individual will determine your success, not the college you went to. According to the logic of most people in this thread Bill Gates wouldn't even have a job because he dropped out of college. He figured college wasn't a necessity for him because there wasn't anything Harvard professors were going to teach him that could be useful to him, instead he already had his startup. There are two kinds of people, those who count the salaries and college rankings, and those who take that out of the equation and instead focus on their own human capital. A college student no matter where they go should always count on their human capital, take out salary counting out of question, this $20k to $30k differences never bothered me when I started out in Tech, I knew there were guys making that much more than me because they went to a higher name brand college. What I focused was on increasing competency and demand more, push back against anyone who brought up "where you went to college?" question, to my mind the ones who ask that are always the ones with block in their head, they won't go past their own limitations, so you identify them and go past them, or around them, then find avenues where your individual capabilities are recognized, if that fails then innovate and develop something on your own to prove it. Folks who rank people on name brands tend to be the ones with limitations is my take, they don't know how to do it without a crutch for support. Let you be the person who define the university you go to, not the other way around is the advice I give to my kids. If they follow it, they'll end up wherever they wish to be, and not worry about the small differences in starting salaries.






Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 01:45     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Would you pick Berkeley over Harvard Yale and Princeton for CS?


Yale: Possibly. Princeton: Unlikely. Harvard: no.


As almost 100% should pick Harvard over UCB.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 01:44     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:Would you pick Berkeley over Harvard Yale and Princeton for CS?


Yale: Possibly. Princeton: Unlikely. Harvard: no.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 00:54     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:Would you pick Berkeley over Harvard Yale and Princeton for CS?

Depends. Which Berkeley?

Berkeley MET? Kids pick this over HYP

Berkeley EECS? Depends on fit and how interested you are in CS

Berkeley L&S? No

Then there is perception that H is not great for CS (CS is an AB not an SB degree), Yale even worse, Princeton is good but hard and intensely elite (socially). It's more complicated than is Berkeley CS better (it is)
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 00:49     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
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Breathtaking the amount of "moving the goalposts" going on in this thread. Of course the top 4 are tippy top. Go back, there's agreement on that. Those are the "$400k" schools. But how about #8? #22? #37? #61? #90? Kids are gonna be fine with CS degrees from across those colleges. Laughable that people scoff at $65k as an opening salary. We're talking college grads. And yes, it matters where you're hired. $65k in one city is $85k in another. Boise vs. San Francisco.


Y'all making it unnecessarily complicated.

Top 4 are top. There is no big gulf between them and the next 4 - it's the same kids and program basically. There is some debate of who's the next 4 but usually UIUC, GT, Cornell, UDub. Add some associate members to the mix: HYP, Columbia and Caltech. These are the schools that you get a quantifiable resume and recruiting boost. And you need it because there's a wide range in CS jobs/companies

Don't need to look at placements, salaries, geos etc. just take them for granted.

Next, do well in school, build personal skills, keep up the mental health, build broad networks, seek opportunities. Done. It's the same schtick as T-14 Law schools, M7 business schools - we like simplicity.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 00:40     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Would you pick Berkeley over Harvard Yale and Princeton for CS?
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 00:30     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
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Anonymous wrote:You can count on 2 hands the CS grads making $400k base directly out of undergrad, and no CS grad is going to be happy with $60k right out of school. That was a starting salary 25 years ago


Sounds like they have to settle for $65k median according to these reports, these schools are in the Top 100 list.

See here: https://career.sites.clemson.edu/data_analytics/2019-2020.php

Doesn't this refute the ridiculous claim that there is no difference in CS starting salary between top school and lower tier graduates?


It sure does

https://capd.mit.edu/resources/student-outcomes-and-salaries

go to page 9

CS degree median $118,000. So almost double MIT over Clemson. Oh, and that does not include the median bonus of $40,000 (for those that received one).

Breathtaking the amount of "moving the goalposts" going on in this thread. Of course the top 4 are tippy top. Go back, there's agreement on that. Those are the "$400k" schools. But how about #8? #22? #37? #61? #90? Kids are gonna be fine with CS degrees from across those colleges. Laughable that people scoff at $65k as an opening salary. We're talking college grads. And yes, it matters where you're hired. $65k in one city is $85k in another. Boise vs. San Francisco.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2021 23:56     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You can count on 2 hands the CS grads making $400k base directly out of undergrad, and no CS grad is going to be happy with $60k right out of school. That was a starting salary 25 years ago


Sounds like they have to settle for $65k median according to these reports, these schools are in the Top 100 list.

See here: https://career.sites.clemson.edu/data_analytics/2019-2020.php

Doesn't this refute the ridiculous claim that there is no difference in CS starting salary between top school and lower tier graduates?


It sure does

https://capd.mit.edu/resources/student-outcomes-and-salaries

go to page 9

CS degree median $118,000. So almost double MIT over Clemson. Oh, and that does not include the median bonus of $40,000 (for those that received one).


This is the problem when people don't look at the full picture. Click on the Clemson map to see where they work after graduating, majority are in SC, where a $65k salary is like making $100k in Boston where MIT is. Chances are MIT grads end up in even HCOL areas like NYC, and West Coast.


That’ll make the gap closer, but that won’t close it.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2021 23:46     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You can count on 2 hands the CS grads making $400k base directly out of undergrad, and no CS grad is going to be happy with $60k right out of school. That was a starting salary 25 years ago


Sounds like they have to settle for $65k median according to these reports, these schools are in the Top 100 list.

See here: https://career.sites.clemson.edu/data_analytics/2019-2020.php

Doesn't this refute the ridiculous claim that there is no difference in CS starting salary between top school and lower tier graduates?


It sure does

https://capd.mit.edu/resources/student-outcomes-and-salaries

go to page 9

CS degree median $118,000. So almost double MIT over Clemson. Oh, and that does not include the median bonus of $40,000 (for those that received one).


Only $118000? What a dispointment! Where are those with 400k ?

What an idiot?
First, that's median base salary, not the highest or a high percentile. With median bonus of 40k, that's 160k total (again it's median).
Second, no body ever said everyone graduating MIT makes 400k.
Third, a portion of graduates go into startups or have their own startups. They receive relatively low salary in exchange for high potential. These students pull down the overall numbers.

On page 1, it says 23% of bachelor grads are founding members of the employers.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2021 23:11     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You can count on 2 hands the CS grads making $400k base directly out of undergrad, and no CS grad is going to be happy with $60k right out of school. That was a starting salary 25 years ago


Sounds like they have to settle for $65k median according to these reports, these schools are in the Top 100 list.

See here: https://career.sites.clemson.edu/data_analytics/2019-2020.php

Doesn't this refute the ridiculous claim that there is no difference in CS starting salary between top school and lower tier graduates?


It sure does

https://capd.mit.edu/resources/student-outcomes-and-salaries

go to page 9

CS degree median $118,000. So almost double MIT over Clemson. Oh, and that does not include the median bonus of $40,000 (for those that received one).


This is the problem when people don't look at the full picture. Click on the Clemson map to see where they work after graduating, majority are in SC, where a $65k salary is like making $100k in Boston where MIT is. Chances are MIT grads end up in even HCOL areas like NYC, and West Coast.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2021 22:06     Subject: Top 100 undergrad CS by US News
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You can count on 2 hands the CS grads making $400k base directly out of undergrad, and no CS grad is going to be happy with $60k right out of school. That was a starting salary 25 years ago


Sounds like they have to settle for $65k median according to these reports, these schools are in the Top 100 list.

See here: https://career.sites.clemson.edu/data_analytics/2019-2020.php

Doesn't this refute the ridiculous claim that there is no difference in CS starting salary between top school and lower tier graduates?


It sure does

https://capd.mit.edu/resources/student-outcomes-and-salaries

go to page 9

CS degree median $118,000. So almost double MIT over Clemson. Oh, and that does not include the median bonus of $40,000 (for those that received one).


Only $118000? What a dispointment! Where are those with 400k ?


PP here. I never commented on the $400K. However that being the median certainly doesn't prevent it, and in fact supports the obvious point that half make more than that. Maths and whatnot.