Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:42
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They wont. Some individual businesses may require proof but not most.
But on the flip side, employers won’t provide extended sick leave and quarantine leave etc.
Yeah, I just had 2 unvaccinated supervisees have to use almost 2 weeks of sick leave to quarantine because they were exposed to another employee, where the vaccinated employees could come to work as usual and just self-monitor for symptoms. At least one of those two is reevaluating her stance.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:38
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
^^is very much in support of [COVID-19] vaccination
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:37
Subject: Re:How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a vaccine skeptic and also very afraid of COVID. So she is mad that all of us around her are not masking any more outdoors, etc.
If she is that scared of it, like we are, she wouldn't be seeing you. She isn't scared.
Not true. She was in her first store in 13 months last week. There was damage to her home so she had to go to a hotel for asix weeks, forcing her out of her comfort zone.
People's behavior is causing the spread so if she is home, she has every right to be annoyed but she also can see who her true friends are. You should have offered to go for her.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:29
Subject: Re:How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a vaccine skeptic and also very afraid of COVID. So she is mad that all of us around her are not masking any more outdoors, etc.
If she is that scared of it, like we are, she wouldn't be seeing you. She isn't scared.
Not true. She was in her first store in 13 months last week. There was damage to her home so she had to go to a hotel for asix weeks, forcing her out of her comfort zone.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:23
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:I would never step foot on a cruise that didn't require vaccination. And yes I realize people will fake it, but I suspect a lot of the cruise-going folks don't know how.
I would never step on a cruise, period. Even pre-COVID.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:15
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:I would never step foot on a cruise that didn't require vaccination. And yes I realize people will fake it, but I suspect a lot of the cruise-going folks don't know how.
Even vaccinated you can still get covid. Cruising again is many years away for us until its over.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:15
Subject: Re:How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a vaccine skeptic and also very afraid of COVID. So she is mad that all of us around her are not masking any more outdoors, etc.
If she is that scared of it, like we are, she wouldn't be seeing you. She isn't scared.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:13
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
I would never step foot on a cruise that didn't require vaccination. And yes I realize people will fake it, but I suspect a lot of the cruise-going folks don't know how.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:10
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many large national companies are based in montana? Local businesses can do as they please but large national companies will be under pressure to support vaccinations. So many people have seriously had enough with any anti science nonsense surrounding this virus.
Yep. And as pointed out by another PP, no large company wants legal liability -- the more employees and patrons you have, the more potential lawsuits. It doesn't even have to be justified -- insurance companies are not going to want to cover the costs of assessment, litigation, and the rest.
I guess governors could try passing executive orders that insurance companies can't raise rates in their states, but I think it's probably time to permit the market to correct itself.
Yes. Imagine a company like carnival cruises allowing unvaxed people on their ships? They need that like they need a hole in the head.
maybe they could have special cruises for the unvaxxed. They only go to ports in Florida and Texas..or maybe no ports at all.
You joke, but the fact that Florida is not allowing businesses to "discriminate" based on vaccine status is a huge problem for the cruise industry. If they want to restrict to vaccinated people (or the CDC requires it), they likely would have to forgo any Florida ports, which is a huge embarkation point for them.
Well then maybe it is actually not a joke. Separate cruises for the vaxxed and unvaxxed or kiss an industry good bye along with all those jobs. Do you want to buy a tickets on a cruise ship without a vaccination requirement? No, and neither does anybody else.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:09
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many large national companies are based in montana? Local businesses can do as they please but large national companies will be under pressure to support vaccinations. So many people have seriously had enough with any anti science nonsense surrounding this virus.
Yep. And as pointed out by another PP, no large company wants legal liability -- the more employees and patrons you have, the more potential lawsuits. It doesn't even have to be justified -- insurance companies are not going to want to cover the costs of assessment, litigation, and the rest.
I guess governors could try passing executive orders that insurance companies can't raise rates in their states, but I think it's probably time to permit the market to correct itself.
Yes. Imagine a company like carnival cruises allowing unvaxed people on their ships? They need that like they need a hole in the head.
maybe they could have special cruises for the unvaxxed. They only go to ports in Florida and Texas..or maybe no ports at all.
You joke, but the fact that Florida is not allowing businesses to "discriminate" based on vaccine status is a huge problem for the cruise industry. If they want to restrict to vaccinated people (or the CDC requires it), they likely would have to forgo any Florida ports, which is a huge embarkation point for them.
I wonder if the next step is a gubernatorial executive order to compel cruise ships to dock in Florida anyway, even if private cruise ship companies decide not to. I don't think RWNJs with political power currently acknowledge any limits on what they can do, nor are they beholden to the whole "free market" ideology anymore.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:08
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some private Mds will not accept patients that are not vaccinated.
Pfizer is in the final stages of testing a pill that stops Covid infections in its tracks. Once that is out on the market, the idea of requiring a vaccine will fade. You can't mandate a virus that's treatable.
It does make me wonder whether or not there was some deliberate suppression of other medications that could have helped patients recover that are already out on the market. Nothing is foolproof, of course (consider TamiFlu), but there's big money in any drug that can treat a newer virus.
Final stages of testing does not equal flooding the market anytime soon. A deliberate suppression of a drug that could save millions? Sigh.
It’s hard not to think we should have had this already.
Do you realize that scientists can't just snap their fingers and magically make these great treatments appear? It's a minor miracle that any vaccine, especially one so effective, was developed so quickly.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:07
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some private Mds will not accept patients that are not vaccinated.
Pfizer is in the final stages of testing a pill that stops Covid infections in its tracks. Once that is out on the market, the idea of requiring a vaccine will fade. You can't mandate a virus that's treatable.
It does make me wonder whether or not there was some deliberate suppression of other medications that could have helped patients recover that are already out on the market. Nothing is foolproof, of course (consider TamiFlu), but there's big money in any drug that can treat a newer virus.
Final stages of testing does not equal flooding the market anytime soon. A deliberate suppression of a drug that could save millions? Sigh.
It’s hard not to think we should have had this already.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:05
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many large national companies are based in montana? Local businesses can do as they please but large national companies will be under pressure to support vaccinations. So many people have seriously had enough with any anti science nonsense surrounding this virus.
Yep. And as pointed out by another PP, no large company wants legal liability -- the more employees and patrons you have, the more potential lawsuits. It doesn't even have to be justified -- insurance companies are not going to want to cover the costs of assessment, litigation, and the rest.
I guess governors could try passing executive orders that insurance companies can't raise rates in their states, but I think it's probably time to permit the market to correct itself.
Yes. Imagine a company like carnival cruises allowing unvaxed people on their ships? They need that like they need a hole in the head.
maybe they could have special cruises for the unvaxxed. They only go to ports in Florida and Texas..or maybe no ports at all.
You joke, but the fact that Florida is not allowing businesses to "discriminate" based on vaccine status is a huge problem for the cruise industry. If they want to restrict to vaccinated people (or the CDC requires it), they likely would have to forgo any Florida ports, which is a huge embarkation point for them.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 11:01
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many large national companies are based in montana? Local businesses can do as they please but large national companies will be under pressure to support vaccinations. So many people have seriously had enough with any anti science nonsense surrounding this virus.
Yep. And as pointed out by another PP, no large company wants legal liability -- the more employees and patrons you have, the more potential lawsuits. It doesn't even have to be justified -- insurance companies are not going to want to cover the costs of assessment, litigation, and the rest.
I guess governors could try passing executive orders that insurance companies can't raise rates in their states, but I think it's probably time to permit the market to correct itself.
Yes. Imagine a company like carnival cruises allowing unvaxed people on their ships? They need that like they need a hole in the head.
maybe they could have special cruises for the unvaxxed. They only go to ports in Florida and Texas..or maybe no ports at all.
Anonymous
05/04/2021 10:20
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Ironically, one of the reasons I am not vaccinating yet is TO be limited! The moment I'm vaccinated, everyone will turn to me to do/fix everything again and frankly I'm at my breaking point. We have another house I can escape to if need be and I'd be perfectly happy to not have to live under the constant whiny demands of others.
You need to learn boundaries.
Not vaccinating yet to avoid conflict with people because you can't say no? Yikes.